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          A local base $mathcalB$ at $x$ for a topology has the property that for every open set $O$ in that topology such that $x in O$, there is some $B in mathcalB$ such that $x in B subseteq O$.



          Now for any fixed $y neq x$, $O = Xsetminus y$ is open in the co-finite topology (as its complement is $y$ which is quite finite) and contains $x$ because $x neq y$.
          So we have $B_n(y)$ in the base such that $x in B_n subseteq Xsetminusy$, where the latter inclusion just says that $y notin B_n(y)$.



          So taking all those $B_n(y)$ for all $y neq x$, their intersection cannot contain any $y neq x$ anymore and so the intersection is $x$ exactly.



          It's IMHO a bit clearer to just start out saying that each $B_n$ in the supposed local base is of the form $Xsetminus F_n$ where $F_n$ is finite. Because all open sets that are not empty (and they contain $x$ so they're not empty) are complements of finite sets by definition.



          So for $y neq x$ we have a finite subset $F_n$ (where $n$ depends on $y$) such that $x in Xsetminus F_n subseteq Xsetminus y$ by the same property of local bases. But then $y in F_n$. (e.g. use that $Xsetminus A subseteq Xsetminus B$ iff $B subseteq A$) and so the $F_n$ we collect from doing this for all $y neq x$ have the property that their union is $Y setminus x$, which is uncountable while we have a countable union of finite sets. Instant contradiction, so no such countable local base exists.






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          • $forall y in mathbb R, mathbb Rsetminus y$ is open w.r.t $mathscr T$. so, by the definition of local basis at $x$, $exists N(y)in mathbb N$: $xin B_N(y)subset mathbb Rsetminus x$. Let $mathscr Q=N(y)_yin mathbb R, subset mathbb N$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:14











          • We know that $x subset bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n subset bigcap_n in mathscr Q B_n=x$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:17










          • so, $bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n=x$. am I correct?
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:18











          • @Mathgeek MInor remark: you need $y neq x$ everywhere. And $B_N(y) subseteq mathbbRsetminus y$.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:45










          • @Mathgeek Like I said, it's easier to not use the intersection of the base elements but the union of their complements, as in my last part.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:46










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          A local base $mathcalB$ at $x$ for a topology has the property that for every open set $O$ in that topology such that $x in O$, there is some $B in mathcalB$ such that $x in B subseteq O$.



          Now for any fixed $y neq x$, $O = Xsetminus y$ is open in the co-finite topology (as its complement is $y$ which is quite finite) and contains $x$ because $x neq y$.
          So we have $B_n(y)$ in the base such that $x in B_n subseteq Xsetminusy$, where the latter inclusion just says that $y notin B_n(y)$.



          So taking all those $B_n(y)$ for all $y neq x$, their intersection cannot contain any $y neq x$ anymore and so the intersection is $x$ exactly.



          It's IMHO a bit clearer to just start out saying that each $B_n$ in the supposed local base is of the form $Xsetminus F_n$ where $F_n$ is finite. Because all open sets that are not empty (and they contain $x$ so they're not empty) are complements of finite sets by definition.



          So for $y neq x$ we have a finite subset $F_n$ (where $n$ depends on $y$) such that $x in Xsetminus F_n subseteq Xsetminus y$ by the same property of local bases. But then $y in F_n$. (e.g. use that $Xsetminus A subseteq Xsetminus B$ iff $B subseteq A$) and so the $F_n$ we collect from doing this for all $y neq x$ have the property that their union is $Y setminus x$, which is uncountable while we have a countable union of finite sets. Instant contradiction, so no such countable local base exists.






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          • $forall y in mathbb R, mathbb Rsetminus y$ is open w.r.t $mathscr T$. so, by the definition of local basis at $x$, $exists N(y)in mathbb N$: $xin B_N(y)subset mathbb Rsetminus x$. Let $mathscr Q=N(y)_yin mathbb R, subset mathbb N$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:14











          • We know that $x subset bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n subset bigcap_n in mathscr Q B_n=x$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:17










          • so, $bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n=x$. am I correct?
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:18











          • @Mathgeek MInor remark: you need $y neq x$ everywhere. And $B_N(y) subseteq mathbbRsetminus y$.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:45










          • @Mathgeek Like I said, it's easier to not use the intersection of the base elements but the union of their complements, as in my last part.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:46














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          A local base $mathcalB$ at $x$ for a topology has the property that for every open set $O$ in that topology such that $x in O$, there is some $B in mathcalB$ such that $x in B subseteq O$.



          Now for any fixed $y neq x$, $O = Xsetminus y$ is open in the co-finite topology (as its complement is $y$ which is quite finite) and contains $x$ because $x neq y$.
          So we have $B_n(y)$ in the base such that $x in B_n subseteq Xsetminusy$, where the latter inclusion just says that $y notin B_n(y)$.



          So taking all those $B_n(y)$ for all $y neq x$, their intersection cannot contain any $y neq x$ anymore and so the intersection is $x$ exactly.



          It's IMHO a bit clearer to just start out saying that each $B_n$ in the supposed local base is of the form $Xsetminus F_n$ where $F_n$ is finite. Because all open sets that are not empty (and they contain $x$ so they're not empty) are complements of finite sets by definition.



          So for $y neq x$ we have a finite subset $F_n$ (where $n$ depends on $y$) such that $x in Xsetminus F_n subseteq Xsetminus y$ by the same property of local bases. But then $y in F_n$. (e.g. use that $Xsetminus A subseteq Xsetminus B$ iff $B subseteq A$) and so the $F_n$ we collect from doing this for all $y neq x$ have the property that their union is $Y setminus x$, which is uncountable while we have a countable union of finite sets. Instant contradiction, so no such countable local base exists.






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          • $forall y in mathbb R, mathbb Rsetminus y$ is open w.r.t $mathscr T$. so, by the definition of local basis at $x$, $exists N(y)in mathbb N$: $xin B_N(y)subset mathbb Rsetminus x$. Let $mathscr Q=N(y)_yin mathbb R, subset mathbb N$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:14











          • We know that $x subset bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n subset bigcap_n in mathscr Q B_n=x$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:17










          • so, $bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n=x$. am I correct?
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:18











          • @Mathgeek MInor remark: you need $y neq x$ everywhere. And $B_N(y) subseteq mathbbRsetminus y$.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:45










          • @Mathgeek Like I said, it's easier to not use the intersection of the base elements but the union of their complements, as in my last part.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:46












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          A local base $mathcalB$ at $x$ for a topology has the property that for every open set $O$ in that topology such that $x in O$, there is some $B in mathcalB$ such that $x in B subseteq O$.



          Now for any fixed $y neq x$, $O = Xsetminus y$ is open in the co-finite topology (as its complement is $y$ which is quite finite) and contains $x$ because $x neq y$.
          So we have $B_n(y)$ in the base such that $x in B_n subseteq Xsetminusy$, where the latter inclusion just says that $y notin B_n(y)$.



          So taking all those $B_n(y)$ for all $y neq x$, their intersection cannot contain any $y neq x$ anymore and so the intersection is $x$ exactly.



          It's IMHO a bit clearer to just start out saying that each $B_n$ in the supposed local base is of the form $Xsetminus F_n$ where $F_n$ is finite. Because all open sets that are not empty (and they contain $x$ so they're not empty) are complements of finite sets by definition.



          So for $y neq x$ we have a finite subset $F_n$ (where $n$ depends on $y$) such that $x in Xsetminus F_n subseteq Xsetminus y$ by the same property of local bases. But then $y in F_n$. (e.g. use that $Xsetminus A subseteq Xsetminus B$ iff $B subseteq A$) and so the $F_n$ we collect from doing this for all $y neq x$ have the property that their union is $Y setminus x$, which is uncountable while we have a countable union of finite sets. Instant contradiction, so no such countable local base exists.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          A local base $mathcalB$ at $x$ for a topology has the property that for every open set $O$ in that topology such that $x in O$, there is some $B in mathcalB$ such that $x in B subseteq O$.



          Now for any fixed $y neq x$, $O = Xsetminus y$ is open in the co-finite topology (as its complement is $y$ which is quite finite) and contains $x$ because $x neq y$.
          So we have $B_n(y)$ in the base such that $x in B_n subseteq Xsetminusy$, where the latter inclusion just says that $y notin B_n(y)$.



          So taking all those $B_n(y)$ for all $y neq x$, their intersection cannot contain any $y neq x$ anymore and so the intersection is $x$ exactly.



          It's IMHO a bit clearer to just start out saying that each $B_n$ in the supposed local base is of the form $Xsetminus F_n$ where $F_n$ is finite. Because all open sets that are not empty (and they contain $x$ so they're not empty) are complements of finite sets by definition.



          So for $y neq x$ we have a finite subset $F_n$ (where $n$ depends on $y$) such that $x in Xsetminus F_n subseteq Xsetminus y$ by the same property of local bases. But then $y in F_n$. (e.g. use that $Xsetminus A subseteq Xsetminus B$ iff $B subseteq A$) and so the $F_n$ we collect from doing this for all $y neq x$ have the property that their union is $Y setminus x$, which is uncountable while we have a countable union of finite sets. Instant contradiction, so no such countable local base exists.







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          • $forall y in mathbb R, mathbb Rsetminus y$ is open w.r.t $mathscr T$. so, by the definition of local basis at $x$, $exists N(y)in mathbb N$: $xin B_N(y)subset mathbb Rsetminus x$. Let $mathscr Q=N(y)_yin mathbb R, subset mathbb N$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:14











          • We know that $x subset bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n subset bigcap_n in mathscr Q B_n=x$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:17










          • so, $bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n=x$. am I correct?
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:18











          • @Mathgeek MInor remark: you need $y neq x$ everywhere. And $B_N(y) subseteq mathbbRsetminus y$.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:45










          • @Mathgeek Like I said, it's easier to not use the intersection of the base elements but the union of their complements, as in my last part.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:46
















          • $forall y in mathbb R, mathbb Rsetminus y$ is open w.r.t $mathscr T$. so, by the definition of local basis at $x$, $exists N(y)in mathbb N$: $xin B_N(y)subset mathbb Rsetminus x$. Let $mathscr Q=N(y)_yin mathbb R, subset mathbb N$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:14











          • We know that $x subset bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n subset bigcap_n in mathscr Q B_n=x$
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:17










          • so, $bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n=x$. am I correct?
            – Math geek
            Sep 10 at 7:18











          • @Mathgeek MInor remark: you need $y neq x$ everywhere. And $B_N(y) subseteq mathbbRsetminus y$.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:45










          • @Mathgeek Like I said, it's easier to not use the intersection of the base elements but the union of their complements, as in my last part.
            – Henno Brandsma
            Sep 10 at 15:46















          $forall y in mathbb R, mathbb Rsetminus y$ is open w.r.t $mathscr T$. so, by the definition of local basis at $x$, $exists N(y)in mathbb N$: $xin B_N(y)subset mathbb Rsetminus x$. Let $mathscr Q=N(y)_yin mathbb R, subset mathbb N$
          – Math geek
          Sep 10 at 7:14





          $forall y in mathbb R, mathbb Rsetminus y$ is open w.r.t $mathscr T$. so, by the definition of local basis at $x$, $exists N(y)in mathbb N$: $xin B_N(y)subset mathbb Rsetminus x$. Let $mathscr Q=N(y)_yin mathbb R, subset mathbb N$
          – Math geek
          Sep 10 at 7:14













          We know that $x subset bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n subset bigcap_n in mathscr Q B_n=x$
          – Math geek
          Sep 10 at 7:17




          We know that $x subset bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n subset bigcap_n in mathscr Q B_n=x$
          – Math geek
          Sep 10 at 7:17












          so, $bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n=x$. am I correct?
          – Math geek
          Sep 10 at 7:18





          so, $bigcap_n in mathbb N B_n=x$. am I correct?
          – Math geek
          Sep 10 at 7:18













          @Mathgeek MInor remark: you need $y neq x$ everywhere. And $B_N(y) subseteq mathbbRsetminus y$.
          – Henno Brandsma
          Sep 10 at 15:45




          @Mathgeek MInor remark: you need $y neq x$ everywhere. And $B_N(y) subseteq mathbbRsetminus y$.
          – Henno Brandsma
          Sep 10 at 15:45












          @Mathgeek Like I said, it's easier to not use the intersection of the base elements but the union of their complements, as in my last part.
          – Henno Brandsma
          Sep 10 at 15:46




          @Mathgeek Like I said, it's easier to not use the intersection of the base elements but the union of their complements, as in my last part.
          – Henno Brandsma
          Sep 10 at 15:46

















           

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