Let $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ be continuous. Does $maxf(x)$ exist?

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Let $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ be continuous. Does beginalignmaxf(x) endalign exist?
MY WORK
I believe it does and I want to prove it.
Since $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ is continuous, then $f$ is uniformly continuous. Let $epsilon> 0$ be given, then $exists, delta>$ such that $forall x,yin [a,b]$ with $|x-y|<delta,$ it implies $|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon.$
Then, for $aleq xleq b,$
beginalign f(x)=f(b)+[f(x)-f(b)]endalign
beginalign |f(x)|leq |f(b)|+|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
beginalign maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)|leq |f(b)|+maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
I am stuck at this point. Please, can anyone show me how to continue from here?
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Let $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ be continuous. Does beginalignmaxf(x) endalign exist?
MY WORK
I believe it does and I want to prove it.
Since $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ is continuous, then $f$ is uniformly continuous. Let $epsilon> 0$ be given, then $exists, delta>$ such that $forall x,yin [a,b]$ with $|x-y|<delta,$ it implies $|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon.$
Then, for $aleq xleq b,$
beginalign f(x)=f(b)+[f(x)-f(b)]endalign
beginalign |f(x)|leq |f(b)|+|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
beginalign maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)|leq |f(b)|+maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
I am stuck at this point. Please, can anyone show me how to continue from here?
real-analysis analysis continuity uniform-continuity
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The extreme value theorem seems help.
â Yuta
Sep 8 at 6:16
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I'm surprised you know what uniform continuity is before covering the extreme value theorem, I've only ever seen it covered in the reverse order in books/lectures
â Calvin Khor
Sep 8 at 6:21
@Calvin Khor: Anyway, you are right but I'm just solving some miscellaneous problems!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:23
I think the absolute value is distracting you here. In fact, the statement is true for all continuous functions, not just absolute values of continuous functions.
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:56
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up vote
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Let $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ be continuous. Does beginalignmaxf(x) endalign exist?
MY WORK
I believe it does and I want to prove it.
Since $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ is continuous, then $f$ is uniformly continuous. Let $epsilon> 0$ be given, then $exists, delta>$ such that $forall x,yin [a,b]$ with $|x-y|<delta,$ it implies $|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon.$
Then, for $aleq xleq b,$
beginalign f(x)=f(b)+[f(x)-f(b)]endalign
beginalign |f(x)|leq |f(b)|+|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
beginalign maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)|leq |f(b)|+maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
I am stuck at this point. Please, can anyone show me how to continue from here?
real-analysis analysis continuity uniform-continuity
Let $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ be continuous. Does beginalignmaxf(x) endalign exist?
MY WORK
I believe it does and I want to prove it.
Since $f:[a,b]toBbbR$ is continuous, then $f$ is uniformly continuous. Let $epsilon> 0$ be given, then $exists, delta>$ such that $forall x,yin [a,b]$ with $|x-y|<delta,$ it implies $|f(x)-f(y)|<epsilon.$
Then, for $aleq xleq b,$
beginalign f(x)=f(b)+[f(x)-f(b)]endalign
beginalign |f(x)|leq |f(b)|+|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
beginalign maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)|leq |f(b)|+maxlimits_aleq xleq b|f(x)-f(b)|endalign
I am stuck at this point. Please, can anyone show me how to continue from here?
real-analysis analysis continuity uniform-continuity
real-analysis analysis continuity uniform-continuity
edited Sep 8 at 6:17
asked Sep 8 at 6:12
Micheal
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The extreme value theorem seems help.
â Yuta
Sep 8 at 6:16
1
I'm surprised you know what uniform continuity is before covering the extreme value theorem, I've only ever seen it covered in the reverse order in books/lectures
â Calvin Khor
Sep 8 at 6:21
@Calvin Khor: Anyway, you are right but I'm just solving some miscellaneous problems!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:23
I think the absolute value is distracting you here. In fact, the statement is true for all continuous functions, not just absolute values of continuous functions.
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:56
add a comment |Â
4
The extreme value theorem seems help.
â Yuta
Sep 8 at 6:16
1
I'm surprised you know what uniform continuity is before covering the extreme value theorem, I've only ever seen it covered in the reverse order in books/lectures
â Calvin Khor
Sep 8 at 6:21
@Calvin Khor: Anyway, you are right but I'm just solving some miscellaneous problems!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:23
I think the absolute value is distracting you here. In fact, the statement is true for all continuous functions, not just absolute values of continuous functions.
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:56
4
4
The extreme value theorem seems help.
â Yuta
Sep 8 at 6:16
The extreme value theorem seems help.
â Yuta
Sep 8 at 6:16
1
1
I'm surprised you know what uniform continuity is before covering the extreme value theorem, I've only ever seen it covered in the reverse order in books/lectures
â Calvin Khor
Sep 8 at 6:21
I'm surprised you know what uniform continuity is before covering the extreme value theorem, I've only ever seen it covered in the reverse order in books/lectures
â Calvin Khor
Sep 8 at 6:21
@Calvin Khor: Anyway, you are right but I'm just solving some miscellaneous problems!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:23
@Calvin Khor: Anyway, you are right but I'm just solving some miscellaneous problems!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:23
I think the absolute value is distracting you here. In fact, the statement is true for all continuous functions, not just absolute values of continuous functions.
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:56
I think the absolute value is distracting you here. In fact, the statement is true for all continuous functions, not just absolute values of continuous functions.
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:56
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Because $[a,b]$ is compact, every sequence in $[a,b]$ has a subsequence that limits to a point in $[a,b]$. Pick a sequence $x_n in [a,b]$ such that $lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$. Now get a convergent subsequence $x_n_k$ that converges to some $x in [a,b]$.
By continuity of $|f|$,
$|f(x)| = |f( lim_krightarrow inftyx_n_k)| = lim_krightarrow infty |f(x_n_k)| = lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$.
Thanks Mark. Never knew that I was supposed to use Baby Analysis!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 7:11
It's a very great book :-p
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:22
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Here's what I would do, in a proof sketch.
Claim: If $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, then $f([a,b])$ has a maximal element.
Proof Sketch: Since the set $[a,b] subset mathbbR$ is closed and bounded, by the Heine-Borel (or Bolzano-Weierstrass) Theorem it is compact. Since $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, it preserves compactness, so $f([a,b]) subset mathbbR$ is also compact. But since $f([a,b]) subseteq mathbbR$ is compact, again by Heine-Borel it is closed and bounded. Thus, we can construct a sequence of points converging to the supremum of $f([a,b])$, and since $f([a,b])$ is a closed set it must also contain the limit, which is precisely the maximal element of $f([a,b])$ we wanted.
If you have any questions about any of the arguments used in the Proof Sketch, do not hesitate to ask.
Regards!
-Dan
Thanks! But how do I apply this in proving that $maxf(x)$ exists? I mean, absolute value!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:48
1
@Michael: Define $g(x) = |f(x)|$. $g(x)$ is continuous on $[a, b]$ so just repeat the proof with $g$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:49
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you can prove in an another way
as $f:[a,,b] to Bbb R$ so $f([a,b])=[m,M]$ if $f(x) ge 0$ then its obvious that $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists. similarly if $f(x) le 0$ then $f([a,b])=[-m,-M]$ where $m,M ge 0$ then again $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists and $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign=m$.
in similar manner u can prove for when $f([a,b])=[-m,M]$ where $m,M ge 0$
1
The interval of definition is $[a,b]$. Why did you consider $[0,1]$?
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:42
its compact interval one u can take any arbitrary compact interval. i edited
â sajan
Sep 8 at 6:53
@Micheal define $g(x) = f(x/(b-a) + a)$. $g$ obtains a max in $[0,1]$ iff $f$ obtains a max in $[a,b]$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:53
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3 Answers
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active
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active
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up vote
1
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Because $[a,b]$ is compact, every sequence in $[a,b]$ has a subsequence that limits to a point in $[a,b]$. Pick a sequence $x_n in [a,b]$ such that $lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$. Now get a convergent subsequence $x_n_k$ that converges to some $x in [a,b]$.
By continuity of $|f|$,
$|f(x)| = |f( lim_krightarrow inftyx_n_k)| = lim_krightarrow infty |f(x_n_k)| = lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$.
Thanks Mark. Never knew that I was supposed to use Baby Analysis!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 7:11
It's a very great book :-p
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:22
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Because $[a,b]$ is compact, every sequence in $[a,b]$ has a subsequence that limits to a point in $[a,b]$. Pick a sequence $x_n in [a,b]$ such that $lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$. Now get a convergent subsequence $x_n_k$ that converges to some $x in [a,b]$.
By continuity of $|f|$,
$|f(x)| = |f( lim_krightarrow inftyx_n_k)| = lim_krightarrow infty |f(x_n_k)| = lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$.
Thanks Mark. Never knew that I was supposed to use Baby Analysis!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 7:11
It's a very great book :-p
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:22
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Because $[a,b]$ is compact, every sequence in $[a,b]$ has a subsequence that limits to a point in $[a,b]$. Pick a sequence $x_n in [a,b]$ such that $lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$. Now get a convergent subsequence $x_n_k$ that converges to some $x in [a,b]$.
By continuity of $|f|$,
$|f(x)| = |f( lim_krightarrow inftyx_n_k)| = lim_krightarrow infty |f(x_n_k)| = lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$.
Because $[a,b]$ is compact, every sequence in $[a,b]$ has a subsequence that limits to a point in $[a,b]$. Pick a sequence $x_n in [a,b]$ such that $lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$. Now get a convergent subsequence $x_n_k$ that converges to some $x in [a,b]$.
By continuity of $|f|$,
$|f(x)| = |f( lim_krightarrow inftyx_n_k)| = lim_krightarrow infty |f(x_n_k)| = lim_n rightarrow infty |f(x_n)| = sup_[a,b]|f|$.
answered Sep 8 at 7:03
Mark
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Thanks Mark. Never knew that I was supposed to use Baby Analysis!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 7:11
It's a very great book :-p
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:22
add a comment |Â
Thanks Mark. Never knew that I was supposed to use Baby Analysis!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 7:11
It's a very great book :-p
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:22
Thanks Mark. Never knew that I was supposed to use Baby Analysis!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 7:11
Thanks Mark. Never knew that I was supposed to use Baby Analysis!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 7:11
It's a very great book :-p
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:22
It's a very great book :-p
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:22
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
Here's what I would do, in a proof sketch.
Claim: If $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, then $f([a,b])$ has a maximal element.
Proof Sketch: Since the set $[a,b] subset mathbbR$ is closed and bounded, by the Heine-Borel (or Bolzano-Weierstrass) Theorem it is compact. Since $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, it preserves compactness, so $f([a,b]) subset mathbbR$ is also compact. But since $f([a,b]) subseteq mathbbR$ is compact, again by Heine-Borel it is closed and bounded. Thus, we can construct a sequence of points converging to the supremum of $f([a,b])$, and since $f([a,b])$ is a closed set it must also contain the limit, which is precisely the maximal element of $f([a,b])$ we wanted.
If you have any questions about any of the arguments used in the Proof Sketch, do not hesitate to ask.
Regards!
-Dan
Thanks! But how do I apply this in proving that $maxf(x)$ exists? I mean, absolute value!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:48
1
@Michael: Define $g(x) = |f(x)|$. $g(x)$ is continuous on $[a, b]$ so just repeat the proof with $g$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:49
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
Here's what I would do, in a proof sketch.
Claim: If $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, then $f([a,b])$ has a maximal element.
Proof Sketch: Since the set $[a,b] subset mathbbR$ is closed and bounded, by the Heine-Borel (or Bolzano-Weierstrass) Theorem it is compact. Since $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, it preserves compactness, so $f([a,b]) subset mathbbR$ is also compact. But since $f([a,b]) subseteq mathbbR$ is compact, again by Heine-Borel it is closed and bounded. Thus, we can construct a sequence of points converging to the supremum of $f([a,b])$, and since $f([a,b])$ is a closed set it must also contain the limit, which is precisely the maximal element of $f([a,b])$ we wanted.
If you have any questions about any of the arguments used in the Proof Sketch, do not hesitate to ask.
Regards!
-Dan
Thanks! But how do I apply this in proving that $maxf(x)$ exists? I mean, absolute value!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:48
1
@Michael: Define $g(x) = |f(x)|$. $g(x)$ is continuous on $[a, b]$ so just repeat the proof with $g$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:49
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
Here's what I would do, in a proof sketch.
Claim: If $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, then $f([a,b])$ has a maximal element.
Proof Sketch: Since the set $[a,b] subset mathbbR$ is closed and bounded, by the Heine-Borel (or Bolzano-Weierstrass) Theorem it is compact. Since $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, it preserves compactness, so $f([a,b]) subset mathbbR$ is also compact. But since $f([a,b]) subseteq mathbbR$ is compact, again by Heine-Borel it is closed and bounded. Thus, we can construct a sequence of points converging to the supremum of $f([a,b])$, and since $f([a,b])$ is a closed set it must also contain the limit, which is precisely the maximal element of $f([a,b])$ we wanted.
If you have any questions about any of the arguments used in the Proof Sketch, do not hesitate to ask.
Regards!
-Dan
Here's what I would do, in a proof sketch.
Claim: If $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, then $f([a,b])$ has a maximal element.
Proof Sketch: Since the set $[a,b] subset mathbbR$ is closed and bounded, by the Heine-Borel (or Bolzano-Weierstrass) Theorem it is compact. Since $f:[a,b] rightarrow mathbbR$ is continuous, it preserves compactness, so $f([a,b]) subset mathbbR$ is also compact. But since $f([a,b]) subseteq mathbbR$ is compact, again by Heine-Borel it is closed and bounded. Thus, we can construct a sequence of points converging to the supremum of $f([a,b])$, and since $f([a,b])$ is a closed set it must also contain the limit, which is precisely the maximal element of $f([a,b])$ we wanted.
If you have any questions about any of the arguments used in the Proof Sketch, do not hesitate to ask.
Regards!
-Dan
answered Sep 8 at 6:36
Dan
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Thanks! But how do I apply this in proving that $maxf(x)$ exists? I mean, absolute value!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:48
1
@Michael: Define $g(x) = |f(x)|$. $g(x)$ is continuous on $[a, b]$ so just repeat the proof with $g$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:49
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Thanks! But how do I apply this in proving that $maxf(x)$ exists? I mean, absolute value!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:48
1
@Michael: Define $g(x) = |f(x)|$. $g(x)$ is continuous on $[a, b]$ so just repeat the proof with $g$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:49
Thanks! But how do I apply this in proving that $maxf(x)$ exists? I mean, absolute value!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:48
Thanks! But how do I apply this in proving that $maxf(x)$ exists? I mean, absolute value!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:48
1
1
@Michael: Define $g(x) = |f(x)|$. $g(x)$ is continuous on $[a, b]$ so just repeat the proof with $g$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:49
@Michael: Define $g(x) = |f(x)|$. $g(x)$ is continuous on $[a, b]$ so just repeat the proof with $g$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:49
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
you can prove in an another way
as $f:[a,,b] to Bbb R$ so $f([a,b])=[m,M]$ if $f(x) ge 0$ then its obvious that $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists. similarly if $f(x) le 0$ then $f([a,b])=[-m,-M]$ where $m,M ge 0$ then again $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists and $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign=m$.
in similar manner u can prove for when $f([a,b])=[-m,M]$ where $m,M ge 0$
1
The interval of definition is $[a,b]$. Why did you consider $[0,1]$?
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:42
its compact interval one u can take any arbitrary compact interval. i edited
â sajan
Sep 8 at 6:53
@Micheal define $g(x) = f(x/(b-a) + a)$. $g$ obtains a max in $[0,1]$ iff $f$ obtains a max in $[a,b]$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:53
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
you can prove in an another way
as $f:[a,,b] to Bbb R$ so $f([a,b])=[m,M]$ if $f(x) ge 0$ then its obvious that $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists. similarly if $f(x) le 0$ then $f([a,b])=[-m,-M]$ where $m,M ge 0$ then again $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists and $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign=m$.
in similar manner u can prove for when $f([a,b])=[-m,M]$ where $m,M ge 0$
1
The interval of definition is $[a,b]$. Why did you consider $[0,1]$?
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:42
its compact interval one u can take any arbitrary compact interval. i edited
â sajan
Sep 8 at 6:53
@Micheal define $g(x) = f(x/(b-a) + a)$. $g$ obtains a max in $[0,1]$ iff $f$ obtains a max in $[a,b]$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:53
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
you can prove in an another way
as $f:[a,,b] to Bbb R$ so $f([a,b])=[m,M]$ if $f(x) ge 0$ then its obvious that $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists. similarly if $f(x) le 0$ then $f([a,b])=[-m,-M]$ where $m,M ge 0$ then again $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists and $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign=m$.
in similar manner u can prove for when $f([a,b])=[-m,M]$ where $m,M ge 0$
you can prove in an another way
as $f:[a,,b] to Bbb R$ so $f([a,b])=[m,M]$ if $f(x) ge 0$ then its obvious that $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists. similarly if $f(x) le 0$ then $f([a,b])=[-m,-M]$ where $m,M ge 0$ then again $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign$ exists and $beginalignmaxf(x) endalign=m$.
in similar manner u can prove for when $f([a,b])=[-m,M]$ where $m,M ge 0$
edited Sep 8 at 6:54
answered Sep 8 at 6:40
sajan
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The interval of definition is $[a,b]$. Why did you consider $[0,1]$?
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:42
its compact interval one u can take any arbitrary compact interval. i edited
â sajan
Sep 8 at 6:53
@Micheal define $g(x) = f(x/(b-a) + a)$. $g$ obtains a max in $[0,1]$ iff $f$ obtains a max in $[a,b]$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:53
add a comment |Â
1
The interval of definition is $[a,b]$. Why did you consider $[0,1]$?
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:42
its compact interval one u can take any arbitrary compact interval. i edited
â sajan
Sep 8 at 6:53
@Micheal define $g(x) = f(x/(b-a) + a)$. $g$ obtains a max in $[0,1]$ iff $f$ obtains a max in $[a,b]$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:53
1
1
The interval of definition is $[a,b]$. Why did you consider $[0,1]$?
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:42
The interval of definition is $[a,b]$. Why did you consider $[0,1]$?
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:42
its compact interval one u can take any arbitrary compact interval. i edited
â sajan
Sep 8 at 6:53
its compact interval one u can take any arbitrary compact interval. i edited
â sajan
Sep 8 at 6:53
@Micheal define $g(x) = f(x/(b-a) + a)$. $g$ obtains a max in $[0,1]$ iff $f$ obtains a max in $[a,b]$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:53
@Micheal define $g(x) = f(x/(b-a) + a)$. $g$ obtains a max in $[0,1]$ iff $f$ obtains a max in $[a,b]$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:53
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4
The extreme value theorem seems help.
â Yuta
Sep 8 at 6:16
1
I'm surprised you know what uniform continuity is before covering the extreme value theorem, I've only ever seen it covered in the reverse order in books/lectures
â Calvin Khor
Sep 8 at 6:21
@Calvin Khor: Anyway, you are right but I'm just solving some miscellaneous problems!
â Micheal
Sep 8 at 6:23
I think the absolute value is distracting you here. In fact, the statement is true for all continuous functions, not just absolute values of continuous functions.
â Mark
Sep 8 at 6:56