In the ring of continuous functions $mathbbR to mathbbR$, the set of all $f$ with $f(0) = 0$ is a maximal ideal. [duplicate]

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Let $R$ be a ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR$ to $mathbbR$. Show that $A = f in R mid f(0)=0$ is a maximal ideal of $R$.




If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.



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If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).



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    Let $R$ be a ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR$ to $mathbbR$. Show that $A = f in R mid f(0)=0$ is a maximal ideal of $R$.




    If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.



    Attempt to show $A$ is maximal



    If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
    Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).



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      Let $R$ be a ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR$ to $mathbbR$. Show that $A = f in R mid f(0)=0$ is a maximal ideal of $R$.




      If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.



      Attempt to show $A$ is maximal



      If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
      Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).



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      If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.



      Attempt to show $A$ is maximal



      If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
      Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).



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          Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldn’t be a problem).



          Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
          You’re right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
          The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:



          • You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
            But then
            $$
            (f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
            $$
            and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).


          • The function $1/g$ does not exists.



          Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:




          For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
          Then
          $$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
          so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
          The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
          It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.




          A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:




          The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
          This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
          The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
          $$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
          is a field.
          This shows that $A$ is maximal.







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            Hint: Use the first isomorphism theorem and a well chosen map $R to mathbbR$.






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            Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.



            Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.



            Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore



            $$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$



            so $I = C(mathbbR)$.






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              Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldn’t be a problem).



              Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
              You’re right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
              The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:



              • You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
                But then
                $$
                (f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
                $$
                and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).


              • The function $1/g$ does not exists.



              Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:




              For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
              Then
              $$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
              so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
              The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
              It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.




              A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:




              The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
              This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
              The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
              $$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
              is a field.
              This shows that $A$ is maximal.







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                Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldn’t be a problem).



                Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
                You’re right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
                The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:



                • You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
                  But then
                  $$
                  (f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
                  $$
                  and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).


                • The function $1/g$ does not exists.



                Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:




                For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
                Then
                $$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
                so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
                The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
                It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.




                A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:




                The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
                This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
                The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
                $$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
                is a field.
                This shows that $A$ is maximal.







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                  Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldn’t be a problem).



                  Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
                  You’re right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
                  The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:



                  • You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
                    But then
                    $$
                    (f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
                    $$
                    and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).


                  • The function $1/g$ does not exists.



                  Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:




                  For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
                  Then
                  $$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
                  so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
                  The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
                  It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.




                  A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:




                  The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
                  This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
                  The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
                  $$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
                  is a field.
                  This shows that $A$ is maximal.







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                  Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldn’t be a problem).



                  Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
                  You’re right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
                  The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:



                  • You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
                    But then
                    $$
                    (f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
                    $$
                    and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).


                  • The function $1/g$ does not exists.



                  Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:




                  For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
                  Then
                  $$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
                  so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
                  The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
                  It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.




                  A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:




                  The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
                  This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
                  The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
                  $$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
                  is a field.
                  This shows that $A$ is maximal.








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                      Hint: Use the first isomorphism theorem and a well chosen map $R to mathbbR$.






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                      Hint: Use the first isomorphism theorem and a well chosen map $R to mathbbR$.






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                      • -1 because this answer completely ignores the requested proof verification and instead gives only a brief hint at an alternative solution.
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                      -1 because this answer completely ignores the requested proof verification and instead gives only a brief hint at an alternative solution.
                      – Jendrik Stelzner
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                      -1 because this answer completely ignores the requested proof verification and instead gives only a brief hint at an alternative solution.
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                      Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.



                      Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.



                      Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore



                      $$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$



                      so $I = C(mathbbR)$.






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                        Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.



                        Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.



                        Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore



                        $$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$



                        so $I = C(mathbbR)$.






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                          Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.



                          Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.



                          Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore



                          $$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$



                          so $I = C(mathbbR)$.






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                          Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.



                          Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.



                          Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore



                          $$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$



                          so $I = C(mathbbR)$.







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