In the ring of continuous functions $mathbbR to mathbbR$, the set of all $f$ with $f(0) = 0$ is a maximal ideal. [duplicate]
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Let $R$ be a ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR$ to $mathbbR$. Show that $A = f in R mid f(0)=0$ is a maximal ideal of $R$.
If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.
Attempt to show $A$ is maximal
If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).
Is this correct?
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Let $R$ be a ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR$ to $mathbbR$. Show that $A = f in R mid f(0)=0$ is a maximal ideal of $R$.
If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.
Attempt to show $A$ is maximal
If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).
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Let $R$ be a ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR$ to $mathbbR$. Show that $A = f in R mid f(0)=0$ is a maximal ideal of $R$.
If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.
Attempt to show $A$ is maximal
If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).
Is this correct?
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Maximal ideal in the ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR to mathbbR$
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Let $R$ be a ring of continuous functions from $mathbbR$ to $mathbbR$. Show that $A = f in R mid f(0)=0$ is a maximal ideal of $R$.
If $f,g in A$, then $f-g(0) = f(0)-g(0) = 0$ . So $f-g$ is in $A$. Also $f(0) h(0) = 0$ for all $h in R$. So $A$ is an ideal.
Attempt to show $A$ is maximal
If $R/A$ is a field then $A$ is maximal.
Let $f notin A$. Then $f(0) neq 0$. Let $g(x)=0$. Then $f-g in A$. So $f+A = g+A$. $1/g$ is the inverse of $g$. So $f$ has unity (not sure about this).
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Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldnâÂÂt be a problem).
Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
YouâÂÂre right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:
You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
But then
$$
(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
$$
and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).The function $1/g$ does not exists.
Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:
For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
Then
$$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.
A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:
The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
$$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
is a field.
This shows that $A$ is maximal.
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Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.
Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.
Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore
$$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$
so $I = C(mathbbR)$.
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Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldnâÂÂt be a problem).
Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
YouâÂÂre right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:
You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
But then
$$
(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
$$
and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).The function $1/g$ does not exists.
Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:
For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
Then
$$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.
A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:
The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
$$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
is a field.
This shows that $A$ is maximal.
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Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldnâÂÂt be a problem).
Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
YouâÂÂre right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:
You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
But then
$$
(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
$$
and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).The function $1/g$ does not exists.
Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:
For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
Then
$$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.
A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:
The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
$$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
is a field.
This shows that $A$ is maximal.
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Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldnâÂÂt be a problem).
Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
YouâÂÂre right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:
You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
But then
$$
(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
$$
and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).The function $1/g$ does not exists.
Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:
For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
Then
$$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.
A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:
The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
$$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
is a field.
This shows that $A$ is maximal.
Your proof that $A$ is an ideal works, although strictly speaking, you also need to check that $0 in A$ (which shouldnâÂÂt be a problem).
Your proof that $A$ is maximal does not work in its current form.
YouâÂÂre right that it sufficies to show that $R/!A$ is a field, and that for this you need to show that for $f in R$ with $f notin A$ the element $f + A in R/!A$ has an inverse.
The problem is that your choice of $g$ and how you work with it makes no sense:
You choose $g(x) = 0$, i.e. $g = 0$ is the (constant) zero function.
But then
$$
(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = f(0) neq 0
$$
and therefore $f - g notin A$ (and thus also $f + A neq g + A$).The function $1/g$ does not exists.
Your approach can be fixed by making the right choice for $g$:
For $c := f(0)$ you choose $g$ as the constant function $g(x) = c$.
Then
$$(f - g)(0) = f(0) - g(0) = c - c = 0,$$
so that $f - g in A$ and thus $f + A = g + A$.
The function $g$ has in $R$ a multiplicative inverse $1/g$ given by $(1/g)(x) = 1/c$ because $c neq 0$.
It follows that $1/g + A$ is a multipicative inverse to $g + A = f + A$ in $R/!A$.
A different approach to the problem would be to use a suitable isomorphism theorem:
The set $A$ is the kernel of the ring homomorphism $varphi colon R to mathbbR$ given by $varphi(f) = f(0)$.
This already shows that $A$ is an ideal.
The ring homomorphism $varphi$ is surjective, so it follows from the first isomorphism theorem that
$$ R/!A = R/ker(varphi) cong operatornameim(varphi) = mathbbR$$
is a field.
This shows that $A$ is maximal.
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Hint: Use the first isomorphism theorem and a well chosen map $R to mathbbR$.
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Hint: Use the first isomorphism theorem and a well chosen map $R to mathbbR$.
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Hint: Use the first isomorphism theorem and a well chosen map $R to mathbbR$.
Hint: Use the first isomorphism theorem and a well chosen map $R to mathbbR$.
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-1 because this answer completely ignores the requested proof verification and instead gives only a brief hint at an alternative solution.
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-1 because this answer completely ignores the requested proof verification and instead gives only a brief hint at an alternative solution.
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Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.
Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.
Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore
$$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$
so $I = C(mathbbR)$.
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Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.
Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.
Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore
$$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$
so $I = C(mathbbR)$.
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Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.
Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.
Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore
$$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$
so $I = C(mathbbR)$.
Notice that $C(mathbbR)$ is a vector space and that $A dotplus mathbbR1 = C(mathbbR)$.
Let $I$ be an ideal in $C(mathbbR)$ such that $A subsetneq I$. Notice that $I$ is also a subspace of $C(mathbbR)$, because $lambda f = (lambda 1) f$.
Pick $f in I setminus A$. There exist unique $g in A$ and $lambda in mathbbR$ such that $f = g + lambda 1$. Since $f notin A$ we have $lambda ne 0$. Therefore
$$1 = frac1lambda(f-g) in I$$
so $I = C(mathbbR)$.
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