Range of $arctan(1+frac1x)$
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Pretty self explanatory. I'm trying to find the range of $$f(x)=arctan(1+frac1x)$$
but in all honesty, I'm not really sure how to proceed. I feel like there is something very silly and obvious I'm missing. I can find the domain fairly easily but how do I go about finding the range without taking its inverse? Is that even possible?
I have the same problem with:
$$f(x)=e^x+sqrtx^2+1$$
In general, how would I go about finding the range? I know I can just take the inverse and find the domain of that, but is that the only way? Thanks!
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Pretty self explanatory. I'm trying to find the range of $$f(x)=arctan(1+frac1x)$$
but in all honesty, I'm not really sure how to proceed. I feel like there is something very silly and obvious I'm missing. I can find the domain fairly easily but how do I go about finding the range without taking its inverse? Is that even possible?
I have the same problem with:
$$f(x)=e^x+sqrtx^2+1$$
In general, how would I go about finding the range? I know I can just take the inverse and find the domain of that, but is that the only way? Thanks!
algebra-precalculus
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$textRange [f circ g] = f( textRange[ g])$. Let $f=arctan$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:51
I see that but apparently there is a $fracpi4$ and I'm not sure how that got there.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:54
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Maybe $textRange[g]$ is $(1, infty)$? That could be the case if $x$ is only allowed to be positive
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:57
Ohh I see it. Thanks!
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:36
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up vote
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Pretty self explanatory. I'm trying to find the range of $$f(x)=arctan(1+frac1x)$$
but in all honesty, I'm not really sure how to proceed. I feel like there is something very silly and obvious I'm missing. I can find the domain fairly easily but how do I go about finding the range without taking its inverse? Is that even possible?
I have the same problem with:
$$f(x)=e^x+sqrtx^2+1$$
In general, how would I go about finding the range? I know I can just take the inverse and find the domain of that, but is that the only way? Thanks!
algebra-precalculus
Pretty self explanatory. I'm trying to find the range of $$f(x)=arctan(1+frac1x)$$
but in all honesty, I'm not really sure how to proceed. I feel like there is something very silly and obvious I'm missing. I can find the domain fairly easily but how do I go about finding the range without taking its inverse? Is that even possible?
I have the same problem with:
$$f(x)=e^x+sqrtx^2+1$$
In general, how would I go about finding the range? I know I can just take the inverse and find the domain of that, but is that the only way? Thanks!
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$textRange [f circ g] = f( textRange[ g])$. Let $f=arctan$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:51
I see that but apparently there is a $fracpi4$ and I'm not sure how that got there.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:54
1
Maybe $textRange[g]$ is $(1, infty)$? That could be the case if $x$ is only allowed to be positive
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:57
Ohh I see it. Thanks!
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:36
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$textRange [f circ g] = f( textRange[ g])$. Let $f=arctan$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:51
I see that but apparently there is a $fracpi4$ and I'm not sure how that got there.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:54
1
Maybe $textRange[g]$ is $(1, infty)$? That could be the case if $x$ is only allowed to be positive
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:57
Ohh I see it. Thanks!
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:36
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1
$textRange [f circ g] = f( textRange[ g])$. Let $f=arctan$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:51
$textRange [f circ g] = f( textRange[ g])$. Let $f=arctan$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:51
I see that but apparently there is a $fracpi4$ and I'm not sure how that got there.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:54
I see that but apparently there is a $fracpi4$ and I'm not sure how that got there.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:54
1
1
Maybe $textRange[g]$ is $(1, infty)$? That could be the case if $x$ is only allowed to be positive
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:57
Maybe $textRange[g]$ is $(1, infty)$? That could be the case if $x$ is only allowed to be positive
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:57
Ohh I see it. Thanks!
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:36
Ohh I see it. Thanks!
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:36
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At first we need to show the range for $f(x)=1+frac1x$ which is of course $(-infty,infty)setminus1$, indeed
$$y=1+frac1x iff x=frac 1 y-1$$
therefore we can reach any value but not $y=1$.
For the second one we have that $x+sqrtx^2+1>0$ and
$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$
$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=lim_uto infty -u+sqrtu^2+1=lim_uto infty frac-u^2+u^2+1u+sqrtu^2+1=0$
In order to avoid limits note that
$$y=x+sqrtx^2+1 iff (y-x)^2=x^2+1 iff y^2-2xy+x^2=x^2+1 iff x=fracy^2-12y$$
Right. I also know that the range of $arctan(x)$ is from $(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:48
@FutureMathperson And for the second at first we need to find the range for $x+sqrtx^2+1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:49
I can't edit your post, but should it not be 0 that is excluded?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:53
@FutureMathperson I've edited, of course we can't reach the value 1, indeed $y=1+1/x iff x=1/(y-1)$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:54
@FutureMathperson We can reach $0$ for $x=-1$, we can't reach $1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:55
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Second is also the same as the first one you need to minimize $x+sqrtx^2+1$ in order to minimize $e^x+sqrtx^2+1$ bcause $e^x$ is monotonic increasing
$$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$$
$$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracddx(x+sqrtx^2+1)=1+fracxsqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracxsqrtx^2+1=-1$$
When $x>0$ this is not possible because LHS is positive and RHS is negative
Let's check when $x<0$
$$x^2=x^2+1$$ gives us $0=1$
Thus $(x+sqrtx^2+1)$ never becomes 0 it is always greater than 0
Thus $$e^(x+sqrtx^2+1)>1$$
How does this imply that the 2nd function is bigger than 1?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:35
$$(x+sqrtx^2+1)>0$$ what is $e^0?$
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 8:36
I see it now. Thank you :) .
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:37
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2 Answers
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2 Answers
2
active
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active
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active
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3
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At first we need to show the range for $f(x)=1+frac1x$ which is of course $(-infty,infty)setminus1$, indeed
$$y=1+frac1x iff x=frac 1 y-1$$
therefore we can reach any value but not $y=1$.
For the second one we have that $x+sqrtx^2+1>0$ and
$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$
$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=lim_uto infty -u+sqrtu^2+1=lim_uto infty frac-u^2+u^2+1u+sqrtu^2+1=0$
In order to avoid limits note that
$$y=x+sqrtx^2+1 iff (y-x)^2=x^2+1 iff y^2-2xy+x^2=x^2+1 iff x=fracy^2-12y$$
Right. I also know that the range of $arctan(x)$ is from $(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:48
@FutureMathperson And for the second at first we need to find the range for $x+sqrtx^2+1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:49
I can't edit your post, but should it not be 0 that is excluded?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:53
@FutureMathperson I've edited, of course we can't reach the value 1, indeed $y=1+1/x iff x=1/(y-1)$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:54
@FutureMathperson We can reach $0$ for $x=-1$, we can't reach $1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:55
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up vote
3
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At first we need to show the range for $f(x)=1+frac1x$ which is of course $(-infty,infty)setminus1$, indeed
$$y=1+frac1x iff x=frac 1 y-1$$
therefore we can reach any value but not $y=1$.
For the second one we have that $x+sqrtx^2+1>0$ and
$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$
$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=lim_uto infty -u+sqrtu^2+1=lim_uto infty frac-u^2+u^2+1u+sqrtu^2+1=0$
In order to avoid limits note that
$$y=x+sqrtx^2+1 iff (y-x)^2=x^2+1 iff y^2-2xy+x^2=x^2+1 iff x=fracy^2-12y$$
Right. I also know that the range of $arctan(x)$ is from $(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:48
@FutureMathperson And for the second at first we need to find the range for $x+sqrtx^2+1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:49
I can't edit your post, but should it not be 0 that is excluded?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:53
@FutureMathperson I've edited, of course we can't reach the value 1, indeed $y=1+1/x iff x=1/(y-1)$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:54
@FutureMathperson We can reach $0$ for $x=-1$, we can't reach $1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:55
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show 4 more comments
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
At first we need to show the range for $f(x)=1+frac1x$ which is of course $(-infty,infty)setminus1$, indeed
$$y=1+frac1x iff x=frac 1 y-1$$
therefore we can reach any value but not $y=1$.
For the second one we have that $x+sqrtx^2+1>0$ and
$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$
$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=lim_uto infty -u+sqrtu^2+1=lim_uto infty frac-u^2+u^2+1u+sqrtu^2+1=0$
In order to avoid limits note that
$$y=x+sqrtx^2+1 iff (y-x)^2=x^2+1 iff y^2-2xy+x^2=x^2+1 iff x=fracy^2-12y$$
At first we need to show the range for $f(x)=1+frac1x$ which is of course $(-infty,infty)setminus1$, indeed
$$y=1+frac1x iff x=frac 1 y-1$$
therefore we can reach any value but not $y=1$.
For the second one we have that $x+sqrtx^2+1>0$ and
$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$
$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=lim_uto infty -u+sqrtu^2+1=lim_uto infty frac-u^2+u^2+1u+sqrtu^2+1=0$
In order to avoid limits note that
$$y=x+sqrtx^2+1 iff (y-x)^2=x^2+1 iff y^2-2xy+x^2=x^2+1 iff x=fracy^2-12y$$
edited Sep 8 at 8:47
answered Sep 8 at 7:47
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Right. I also know that the range of $arctan(x)$ is from $(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:48
@FutureMathperson And for the second at first we need to find the range for $x+sqrtx^2+1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:49
I can't edit your post, but should it not be 0 that is excluded?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:53
@FutureMathperson I've edited, of course we can't reach the value 1, indeed $y=1+1/x iff x=1/(y-1)$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:54
@FutureMathperson We can reach $0$ for $x=-1$, we can't reach $1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:55
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Right. I also know that the range of $arctan(x)$ is from $(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:48
@FutureMathperson And for the second at first we need to find the range for $x+sqrtx^2+1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:49
I can't edit your post, but should it not be 0 that is excluded?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:53
@FutureMathperson I've edited, of course we can't reach the value 1, indeed $y=1+1/x iff x=1/(y-1)$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:54
@FutureMathperson We can reach $0$ for $x=-1$, we can't reach $1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:55
Right. I also know that the range of $arctan(x)$ is from $(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:48
Right. I also know that the range of $arctan(x)$ is from $(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:48
@FutureMathperson And for the second at first we need to find the range for $x+sqrtx^2+1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:49
@FutureMathperson And for the second at first we need to find the range for $x+sqrtx^2+1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:49
I can't edit your post, but should it not be 0 that is excluded?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:53
I can't edit your post, but should it not be 0 that is excluded?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:53
@FutureMathperson I've edited, of course we can't reach the value 1, indeed $y=1+1/x iff x=1/(y-1)$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:54
@FutureMathperson I've edited, of course we can't reach the value 1, indeed $y=1+1/x iff x=1/(y-1)$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:54
@FutureMathperson We can reach $0$ for $x=-1$, we can't reach $1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:55
@FutureMathperson We can reach $0$ for $x=-1$, we can't reach $1$.
â gimusi
Sep 8 at 7:55
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up vote
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Second is also the same as the first one you need to minimize $x+sqrtx^2+1$ in order to minimize $e^x+sqrtx^2+1$ bcause $e^x$ is monotonic increasing
$$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$$
$$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracddx(x+sqrtx^2+1)=1+fracxsqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracxsqrtx^2+1=-1$$
When $x>0$ this is not possible because LHS is positive and RHS is negative
Let's check when $x<0$
$$x^2=x^2+1$$ gives us $0=1$
Thus $(x+sqrtx^2+1)$ never becomes 0 it is always greater than 0
Thus $$e^(x+sqrtx^2+1)>1$$
How does this imply that the 2nd function is bigger than 1?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:35
$$(x+sqrtx^2+1)>0$$ what is $e^0?$
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 8:36
I see it now. Thank you :) .
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:37
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Second is also the same as the first one you need to minimize $x+sqrtx^2+1$ in order to minimize $e^x+sqrtx^2+1$ bcause $e^x$ is monotonic increasing
$$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$$
$$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracddx(x+sqrtx^2+1)=1+fracxsqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracxsqrtx^2+1=-1$$
When $x>0$ this is not possible because LHS is positive and RHS is negative
Let's check when $x<0$
$$x^2=x^2+1$$ gives us $0=1$
Thus $(x+sqrtx^2+1)$ never becomes 0 it is always greater than 0
Thus $$e^(x+sqrtx^2+1)>1$$
How does this imply that the 2nd function is bigger than 1?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:35
$$(x+sqrtx^2+1)>0$$ what is $e^0?$
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 8:36
I see it now. Thank you :) .
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:37
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Second is also the same as the first one you need to minimize $x+sqrtx^2+1$ in order to minimize $e^x+sqrtx^2+1$ bcause $e^x$ is monotonic increasing
$$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$$
$$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracddx(x+sqrtx^2+1)=1+fracxsqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracxsqrtx^2+1=-1$$
When $x>0$ this is not possible because LHS is positive and RHS is negative
Let's check when $x<0$
$$x^2=x^2+1$$ gives us $0=1$
Thus $(x+sqrtx^2+1)$ never becomes 0 it is always greater than 0
Thus $$e^(x+sqrtx^2+1)>1$$
Second is also the same as the first one you need to minimize $x+sqrtx^2+1$ in order to minimize $e^x+sqrtx^2+1$ bcause $e^x$ is monotonic increasing
$$lim_xto infty x+sqrtx^2+1=infty$$
$$lim_xto -infty x+sqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracddx(x+sqrtx^2+1)=1+fracxsqrtx^2+1=0$$
$$fracxsqrtx^2+1=-1$$
When $x>0$ this is not possible because LHS is positive and RHS is negative
Let's check when $x<0$
$$x^2=x^2+1$$ gives us $0=1$
Thus $(x+sqrtx^2+1)$ never becomes 0 it is always greater than 0
Thus $$e^(x+sqrtx^2+1)>1$$
answered Sep 8 at 8:17
Deepesh Meena
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How does this imply that the 2nd function is bigger than 1?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:35
$$(x+sqrtx^2+1)>0$$ what is $e^0?$
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 8:36
I see it now. Thank you :) .
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:37
add a comment |Â
How does this imply that the 2nd function is bigger than 1?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:35
$$(x+sqrtx^2+1)>0$$ what is $e^0?$
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 8:36
I see it now. Thank you :) .
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:37
How does this imply that the 2nd function is bigger than 1?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:35
How does this imply that the 2nd function is bigger than 1?
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:35
$$(x+sqrtx^2+1)>0$$ what is $e^0?$
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 8:36
$$(x+sqrtx^2+1)>0$$ what is $e^0?$
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 8:36
I see it now. Thank you :) .
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:37
I see it now. Thank you :) .
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:37
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$textRange [f circ g] = f( textRange[ g])$. Let $f=arctan$
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:51
I see that but apparently there is a $fracpi4$ and I'm not sure how that got there.
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 7:54
1
Maybe $textRange[g]$ is $(1, infty)$? That could be the case if $x$ is only allowed to be positive
â Mark
Sep 8 at 7:57
Ohh I see it. Thanks!
â Future Math person
Sep 8 at 8:36