Length of $r=1+sintheta$ and the interval

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Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.





I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.



And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.

Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.



The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,

thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.

From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.

I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.



So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.

Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.



Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?



Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.










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  • How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 11:52







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    Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 12:26














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Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.





I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.



And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.

Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.



The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,

thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.

From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.

I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.



So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.

Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.



Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?



Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.










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  • How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 11:52







  • 2




    Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 12:26












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Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.





I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.



And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.

Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.



The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,

thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.

From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.

I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.



So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.

Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.



Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?



Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.










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Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.





I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.



And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.

Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.



The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,

thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.

From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.

I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.



So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.

Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.



Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?



Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.







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  • How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 11:52







  • 2




    Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 12:26
















  • How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 11:52







  • 2




    Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
    – Sobi
    Sep 8 at 12:26















How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
– Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52





How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
– Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52





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Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
– nik
Sep 8 at 12:10




Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
– nik
Sep 8 at 12:10












Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
– Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26




Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
– Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26










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Length of the curve is



$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$



$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$



As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$



$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$






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  • Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • is that correct now?
    – Deepesh Meena
    Sep 8 at 12:17










  • What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:22










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Length of the curve is



$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$



$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$



As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$



$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$






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  • Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • is that correct now?
    – Deepesh Meena
    Sep 8 at 12:17










  • What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:22














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Length of the curve is



$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$



$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$



As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$



$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$






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  • Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • is that correct now?
    – Deepesh Meena
    Sep 8 at 12:17










  • What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:22












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Length of the curve is



$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$



$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$



As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$



$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$






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Length of the curve is



$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$



$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$



$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$



As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$



$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$







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  • Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • is that correct now?
    – Deepesh Meena
    Sep 8 at 12:17










  • What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:22
















  • Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:10










  • is that correct now?
    – Deepesh Meena
    Sep 8 at 12:17










  • What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
    – nik
    Sep 8 at 12:22















Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
– nik
Sep 8 at 12:10




Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
– nik
Sep 8 at 12:10












is that correct now?
– Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17




is that correct now?
– Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17












What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
– nik
Sep 8 at 12:22




What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
– nik
Sep 8 at 12:22

















 

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