Length of $r=1+sintheta$ and the interval
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Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.
I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.
And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.
Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.
The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,
thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.
From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.
I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.
So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.
Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.
Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?
Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.
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Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.
I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.
And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.
Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.
The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,
thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.
From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.
I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.
So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.
Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.
Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?
Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.
definite-integrals
How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52
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Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26
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Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.
I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.
And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.
Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.
The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,
thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.
From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.
I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.
So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.
Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.
Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?
Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.
definite-integrals
Find the length of $r=1+sintheta$.
I got to $sqrt2 intlimits_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta ,mathrmdtheta$.
And the first way I used to solve the integral was substitution of $1+sintheta=u$.
Thus $ costheta ,mathrmdtheta = mathrmdu$. and I used $costheta=+sqrt1-sin^2theta$
to find the interval which is $[-pi/2,pi/2]$. Considering the original interval of $[0,2pi]$, I multiplied the result by $2$ for the symmetry to make the length of the interval $2pi$, without knowing if it's correct.
The second way is $frac1+cosphi2=cos^2(phi/2)$, substituting $phi=theta-pi/2$,
thus $sqrt1+sintheta=sqrt2cos^2(theta/2-pi/4)=+sqrt2cos(theta/2-pi/4)$.
From $-pi/2 <theta/2-pi/4<pi/2$, I got the interval $[-pi/2,3pi/2]$.
I end up with an interval length of $2pi$, so I just found the final result from this interval.
So, I used two method to solve the integral and needed to reconsider the interval for integral.
Though I got a result, I'm not fully understanding the way to find the interval.
Could you tell why these methods are correct or incorrect?
Edit: I should have mentioned I found the answer of $8$. It's not the way to get the answer that I'm asking. I'm confused about interval.
definite-integrals
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edited Sep 8 at 12:30
Björn Friedrich
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asked Sep 8 at 11:44
nik
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How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52
2
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26
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How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52
2
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26
How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52
How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52
2
2
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26
Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26
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Length of the curve is
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$
$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$
As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$
$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
is that correct now?
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17
What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:22
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1 Answer
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Length of the curve is
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$
$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$
As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$
$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
is that correct now?
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17
What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:22
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Length of the curve is
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$
$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$
As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$
$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
is that correct now?
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17
What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:22
add a comment |Â
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Length of the curve is
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$
$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$
As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$
$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$
Length of the curve is
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2dtheta = int_0^2 pisqrtr^2+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=int_0^2 pisqrt1+2sin theta +sin^2theta+cos^2theta hspace3ptd theta$$
$$I=sqrt2int_0^2pisqrt1+sintheta;dtheta$$
$$I=sqrt2displaystyleint_0^2pisqrt2cosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$$I=2displaystyleint_0^2picosleft(dfrac2theta-pi4right),mathrmdtheta$$
$u=dfrac2theta-pi4$ thus $mathrmdtheta=2,mathrmdu$
$$I=4classsteps-nodedisplaystyleintcosleft(uright),mathrmdu=-4sin u+c=-4sin(dfrac2theta-pi4)+c$$
As $theta$ goes from 0 to $2 pi$
$$I=-4sin(dfrac3pi4)+4sin(dfrac-pi4)=-4sqrt2$$
edited Sep 8 at 12:26
answered Sep 8 at 11:59
Deepesh Meena
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Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
is that correct now?
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17
What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:22
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Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
is that correct now?
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17
What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:22
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
is that correct now?
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17
is that correct now?
â Deepesh Meena
Sep 8 at 12:17
What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:22
What I want to ask is how the original interval of $[0,2pi]$ ends up being the ones I've written in my post.
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:22
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How did you get $sqrt1+sintheta$ under the integral sign? You should have $$ sqrt1+left(fracdrdthetaright)^2 = sqrt1+cos^2theta $$ if I am not mistaken. And why do you have $sqrt 2$ in front of the integral?
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 11:52
2
Shouldn't it be $sqrtr^2+(fracdrdtheta)^2$?
â nik
Sep 8 at 12:10
Ah, yes of course. Sorry!
â Sobi
Sep 8 at 12:26