Area between $cfracxsin(x)$ and $xsin(x)$ close to (0,0)

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I am trying to calculate the area between $cfracxsin(x)$ and $xsin(x)$ that is close to point $(0,0)$ as seen in this picture:



area between curves



The first step is to find the two points that limit that area. These two curves are interesting because they have many points in common, this is a zoom out of that section:



zoom out of the curves



So the area I am looking for is:
$$
int_a^b cfracxsin(x) - xsin(x) dx
$$



In order to find $a$ and $b$, I did:
$$
cfracxsin(x) = xsin(x) therefore sin^2(x) = 1 therefore sin(x) = 1
$$
So I assume $a = -pi/2$ and $b = pi/2$



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    $sin^2 x = 1 implies sin x = pm 1$ but otherwise your work looks fine.
    – Doug M
    Sep 8 at 2:37











  • What makes you say you can “assume” that? You must find the points of intersection.
    – DaveNine
    Sep 8 at 2:37










  • Did you try integration by parts to proceed?
    – Eclipse Sun
    Sep 8 at 2:38










  • I did integration by parts and, even though it is possible to find a solution for the integral, we can't evaluate it because we get a negative square root.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:25














up vote
2
down vote

favorite












I am trying to calculate the area between $cfracxsin(x)$ and $xsin(x)$ that is close to point $(0,0)$ as seen in this picture:



area between curves



The first step is to find the two points that limit that area. These two curves are interesting because they have many points in common, this is a zoom out of that section:



zoom out of the curves



So the area I am looking for is:
$$
int_a^b cfracxsin(x) - xsin(x) dx
$$



In order to find $a$ and $b$, I did:
$$
cfracxsin(x) = xsin(x) therefore sin^2(x) = 1 therefore sin(x) = 1
$$
So I assume $a = -pi/2$ and $b = pi/2$



Is this correct?










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  • 2




    $sin^2 x = 1 implies sin x = pm 1$ but otherwise your work looks fine.
    – Doug M
    Sep 8 at 2:37











  • What makes you say you can “assume” that? You must find the points of intersection.
    – DaveNine
    Sep 8 at 2:37










  • Did you try integration by parts to proceed?
    – Eclipse Sun
    Sep 8 at 2:38










  • I did integration by parts and, even though it is possible to find a solution for the integral, we can't evaluate it because we get a negative square root.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:25












up vote
2
down vote

favorite









up vote
2
down vote

favorite











I am trying to calculate the area between $cfracxsin(x)$ and $xsin(x)$ that is close to point $(0,0)$ as seen in this picture:



area between curves



The first step is to find the two points that limit that area. These two curves are interesting because they have many points in common, this is a zoom out of that section:



zoom out of the curves



So the area I am looking for is:
$$
int_a^b cfracxsin(x) - xsin(x) dx
$$



In order to find $a$ and $b$, I did:
$$
cfracxsin(x) = xsin(x) therefore sin^2(x) = 1 therefore sin(x) = 1
$$
So I assume $a = -pi/2$ and $b = pi/2$



Is this correct?










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I am trying to calculate the area between $cfracxsin(x)$ and $xsin(x)$ that is close to point $(0,0)$ as seen in this picture:



area between curves



The first step is to find the two points that limit that area. These two curves are interesting because they have many points in common, this is a zoom out of that section:



zoom out of the curves



So the area I am looking for is:
$$
int_a^b cfracxsin(x) - xsin(x) dx
$$



In order to find $a$ and $b$, I did:
$$
cfracxsin(x) = xsin(x) therefore sin^2(x) = 1 therefore sin(x) = 1
$$
So I assume $a = -pi/2$ and $b = pi/2$



Is this correct?







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  • 2




    $sin^2 x = 1 implies sin x = pm 1$ but otherwise your work looks fine.
    – Doug M
    Sep 8 at 2:37











  • What makes you say you can “assume” that? You must find the points of intersection.
    – DaveNine
    Sep 8 at 2:37










  • Did you try integration by parts to proceed?
    – Eclipse Sun
    Sep 8 at 2:38










  • I did integration by parts and, even though it is possible to find a solution for the integral, we can't evaluate it because we get a negative square root.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:25












  • 2




    $sin^2 x = 1 implies sin x = pm 1$ but otherwise your work looks fine.
    – Doug M
    Sep 8 at 2:37











  • What makes you say you can “assume” that? You must find the points of intersection.
    – DaveNine
    Sep 8 at 2:37










  • Did you try integration by parts to proceed?
    – Eclipse Sun
    Sep 8 at 2:38










  • I did integration by parts and, even though it is possible to find a solution for the integral, we can't evaluate it because we get a negative square root.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:25







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$sin^2 x = 1 implies sin x = pm 1$ but otherwise your work looks fine.
– Doug M
Sep 8 at 2:37





$sin^2 x = 1 implies sin x = pm 1$ but otherwise your work looks fine.
– Doug M
Sep 8 at 2:37













What makes you say you can “assume” that? You must find the points of intersection.
– DaveNine
Sep 8 at 2:37




What makes you say you can “assume” that? You must find the points of intersection.
– DaveNine
Sep 8 at 2:37












Did you try integration by parts to proceed?
– Eclipse Sun
Sep 8 at 2:38




Did you try integration by parts to proceed?
– Eclipse Sun
Sep 8 at 2:38












I did integration by parts and, even though it is possible to find a solution for the integral, we can't evaluate it because we get a negative square root.
– HugoTeixeira
Sep 8 at 16:25




I did integration by parts and, even though it is possible to find a solution for the integral, we can't evaluate it because we get a negative square root.
– HugoTeixeira
Sep 8 at 16:25










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Just added for your curiosity.



As Rushabh Mehta answered, there is no simple closed form for the result.



In fact, using rather comples function
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx=x
left(log left(1-e^i xright)-log left(1+e^i xright)right)+i left(textLi_2left(-e^i xright)-textLi_2left(e^i xright)right)$$ where appears the polylogarithm function.



This makes
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=left( 2 C-fraci pi ^24right)-left(-2 C-fraci pi ^24 right)=4C$$ and then the result $4C-2 approx 1.66386$ already mentioned by @Toby Mak in comments.



For the fun of it, a good approximation could be obtained using a series expansion built at $x=0$. This would give
$$frac x sin(x)=1+fracx^26+frac7 x^4360+frac31 x^615120+frac127
x^8604800+frac73 x^103421440+Oleft(x^12right)$$ Integrating termwise and using the bounds
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=pi +fracpi ^372+frac7 pi ^528800+frac31 pi ^76773760+frac127
pi ^91393459200+frac73 pi ^1138539100160$$ which is $approx 3.66371$ and the a final value of $approx 1.66371$.



Edit



Looking for an easy to get approximate value, I wondered what could give the magnificent approximation
$$sin(x) simeq frac16 (pi -x) x5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) xqquad (0leq xleqpi)$$ which was proposed by Mahabhaskariya of Bhaskara I, a seventh-century Indian mathematician (hat is to say more than $1400$ years ago).



It would give
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx approx int frac5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) x16 (pi -x),dx =frac116 left(-2 x^2-5 pi ^2 log (16 (pi -x))+2 pi ^2right)$$
$$int_0^frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dxapprox frac132 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)approx 1.82942$$ and then, for the whole problem $frac116 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)-2approx 1.65883$






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  • Your solution and explanation makes this problem even more interesting than I thought. Why is $4C - 2 approx 1.66386$? What is C in this case and where can I learn more about it?
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:23











  • @HugoTeixeira. Sorry for that ! As Toby Mak commented, $C$ is Catalan constant.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 9 at 2:04

















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To find the points of intersection, begin by setting $frac xsinx=xsinx$, which gives us when $xneq npi$ for $ninmathbbN$:$$sin^2x=1tosinx=pm1to x=(2n+1)cdotfracpi2quadforall ninmathbbN$$



In this case, you solely care about the area containing $(0,0)$, whose limit points are $pmfracpi2$. So your integral is $$int_-fracpi2^fracpi2 frac xsinx-xsinxdxsimcolorred1.66386$$



Unfortunately, there is no simple closed form for the indefinite integral, so this approximation will have to do.






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  • @RusabhMehta I found that the integral is approximately 1.66386237671, which is very close to $4G-2$ (where $G$ is Catalan's constant).
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:25











  • @TobyMak. This is the exact result.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 8 at 3:26






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    @ClaudeLeibovici I think we should split the integral up, and somehow prove that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 fracxsin x = 4G$ and that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 x sin x = 2$.
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:28











  • @TobyMak The Wikipedia's page about the Catalan constant already mentions the integral identity $G = frac14 int_-pi/2^pi/2 fractsin t dt$.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 9 at 19:18











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2 Answers
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up vote
2
down vote



accepted










Just added for your curiosity.



As Rushabh Mehta answered, there is no simple closed form for the result.



In fact, using rather comples function
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx=x
left(log left(1-e^i xright)-log left(1+e^i xright)right)+i left(textLi_2left(-e^i xright)-textLi_2left(e^i xright)right)$$ where appears the polylogarithm function.



This makes
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=left( 2 C-fraci pi ^24right)-left(-2 C-fraci pi ^24 right)=4C$$ and then the result $4C-2 approx 1.66386$ already mentioned by @Toby Mak in comments.



For the fun of it, a good approximation could be obtained using a series expansion built at $x=0$. This would give
$$frac x sin(x)=1+fracx^26+frac7 x^4360+frac31 x^615120+frac127
x^8604800+frac73 x^103421440+Oleft(x^12right)$$ Integrating termwise and using the bounds
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=pi +fracpi ^372+frac7 pi ^528800+frac31 pi ^76773760+frac127
pi ^91393459200+frac73 pi ^1138539100160$$ which is $approx 3.66371$ and the a final value of $approx 1.66371$.



Edit



Looking for an easy to get approximate value, I wondered what could give the magnificent approximation
$$sin(x) simeq frac16 (pi -x) x5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) xqquad (0leq xleqpi)$$ which was proposed by Mahabhaskariya of Bhaskara I, a seventh-century Indian mathematician (hat is to say more than $1400$ years ago).



It would give
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx approx int frac5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) x16 (pi -x),dx =frac116 left(-2 x^2-5 pi ^2 log (16 (pi -x))+2 pi ^2right)$$
$$int_0^frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dxapprox frac132 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)approx 1.82942$$ and then, for the whole problem $frac116 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)-2approx 1.65883$






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  • Your solution and explanation makes this problem even more interesting than I thought. Why is $4C - 2 approx 1.66386$? What is C in this case and where can I learn more about it?
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:23











  • @HugoTeixeira. Sorry for that ! As Toby Mak commented, $C$ is Catalan constant.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 9 at 2:04














up vote
2
down vote



accepted










Just added for your curiosity.



As Rushabh Mehta answered, there is no simple closed form for the result.



In fact, using rather comples function
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx=x
left(log left(1-e^i xright)-log left(1+e^i xright)right)+i left(textLi_2left(-e^i xright)-textLi_2left(e^i xright)right)$$ where appears the polylogarithm function.



This makes
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=left( 2 C-fraci pi ^24right)-left(-2 C-fraci pi ^24 right)=4C$$ and then the result $4C-2 approx 1.66386$ already mentioned by @Toby Mak in comments.



For the fun of it, a good approximation could be obtained using a series expansion built at $x=0$. This would give
$$frac x sin(x)=1+fracx^26+frac7 x^4360+frac31 x^615120+frac127
x^8604800+frac73 x^103421440+Oleft(x^12right)$$ Integrating termwise and using the bounds
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=pi +fracpi ^372+frac7 pi ^528800+frac31 pi ^76773760+frac127
pi ^91393459200+frac73 pi ^1138539100160$$ which is $approx 3.66371$ and the a final value of $approx 1.66371$.



Edit



Looking for an easy to get approximate value, I wondered what could give the magnificent approximation
$$sin(x) simeq frac16 (pi -x) x5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) xqquad (0leq xleqpi)$$ which was proposed by Mahabhaskariya of Bhaskara I, a seventh-century Indian mathematician (hat is to say more than $1400$ years ago).



It would give
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx approx int frac5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) x16 (pi -x),dx =frac116 left(-2 x^2-5 pi ^2 log (16 (pi -x))+2 pi ^2right)$$
$$int_0^frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dxapprox frac132 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)approx 1.82942$$ and then, for the whole problem $frac116 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)-2approx 1.65883$






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  • Your solution and explanation makes this problem even more interesting than I thought. Why is $4C - 2 approx 1.66386$? What is C in this case and where can I learn more about it?
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:23











  • @HugoTeixeira. Sorry for that ! As Toby Mak commented, $C$ is Catalan constant.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 9 at 2:04












up vote
2
down vote



accepted







up vote
2
down vote



accepted






Just added for your curiosity.



As Rushabh Mehta answered, there is no simple closed form for the result.



In fact, using rather comples function
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx=x
left(log left(1-e^i xright)-log left(1+e^i xright)right)+i left(textLi_2left(-e^i xright)-textLi_2left(e^i xright)right)$$ where appears the polylogarithm function.



This makes
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=left( 2 C-fraci pi ^24right)-left(-2 C-fraci pi ^24 right)=4C$$ and then the result $4C-2 approx 1.66386$ already mentioned by @Toby Mak in comments.



For the fun of it, a good approximation could be obtained using a series expansion built at $x=0$. This would give
$$frac x sin(x)=1+fracx^26+frac7 x^4360+frac31 x^615120+frac127
x^8604800+frac73 x^103421440+Oleft(x^12right)$$ Integrating termwise and using the bounds
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=pi +fracpi ^372+frac7 pi ^528800+frac31 pi ^76773760+frac127
pi ^91393459200+frac73 pi ^1138539100160$$ which is $approx 3.66371$ and the a final value of $approx 1.66371$.



Edit



Looking for an easy to get approximate value, I wondered what could give the magnificent approximation
$$sin(x) simeq frac16 (pi -x) x5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) xqquad (0leq xleqpi)$$ which was proposed by Mahabhaskariya of Bhaskara I, a seventh-century Indian mathematician (hat is to say more than $1400$ years ago).



It would give
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx approx int frac5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) x16 (pi -x),dx =frac116 left(-2 x^2-5 pi ^2 log (16 (pi -x))+2 pi ^2right)$$
$$int_0^frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dxapprox frac132 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)approx 1.82942$$ and then, for the whole problem $frac116 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)-2approx 1.65883$






share|cite|improve this answer














Just added for your curiosity.



As Rushabh Mehta answered, there is no simple closed form for the result.



In fact, using rather comples function
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx=x
left(log left(1-e^i xright)-log left(1+e^i xright)right)+i left(textLi_2left(-e^i xright)-textLi_2left(e^i xright)right)$$ where appears the polylogarithm function.



This makes
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=left( 2 C-fraci pi ^24right)-left(-2 C-fraci pi ^24 right)=4C$$ and then the result $4C-2 approx 1.66386$ already mentioned by @Toby Mak in comments.



For the fun of it, a good approximation could be obtained using a series expansion built at $x=0$. This would give
$$frac x sin(x)=1+fracx^26+frac7 x^4360+frac31 x^615120+frac127
x^8604800+frac73 x^103421440+Oleft(x^12right)$$ Integrating termwise and using the bounds
$$int_-frac pi 2^+frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dx=pi +fracpi ^372+frac7 pi ^528800+frac31 pi ^76773760+frac127
pi ^91393459200+frac73 pi ^1138539100160$$ which is $approx 3.66371$ and the a final value of $approx 1.66371$.



Edit



Looking for an easy to get approximate value, I wondered what could give the magnificent approximation
$$sin(x) simeq frac16 (pi -x) x5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) xqquad (0leq xleqpi)$$ which was proposed by Mahabhaskariya of Bhaskara I, a seventh-century Indian mathematician (hat is to say more than $1400$ years ago).



It would give
$$I=int frac x sin(x),dx approx int frac5 pi ^2-4 (pi -x) x16 (pi -x),dx =frac116 left(-2 x^2-5 pi ^2 log (16 (pi -x))+2 pi ^2right)$$
$$int_0^frac pi 2 frac x sin(x),dxapprox frac132 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)approx 1.82942$$ and then, for the whole problem $frac116 pi ^2 (10log (2)-1)-2approx 1.65883$







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  • Your solution and explanation makes this problem even more interesting than I thought. Why is $4C - 2 approx 1.66386$? What is C in this case and where can I learn more about it?
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:23











  • @HugoTeixeira. Sorry for that ! As Toby Mak commented, $C$ is Catalan constant.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 9 at 2:04
















  • Your solution and explanation makes this problem even more interesting than I thought. Why is $4C - 2 approx 1.66386$? What is C in this case and where can I learn more about it?
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 8 at 16:23











  • @HugoTeixeira. Sorry for that ! As Toby Mak commented, $C$ is Catalan constant.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 9 at 2:04















Your solution and explanation makes this problem even more interesting than I thought. Why is $4C - 2 approx 1.66386$? What is C in this case and where can I learn more about it?
– HugoTeixeira
Sep 8 at 16:23





Your solution and explanation makes this problem even more interesting than I thought. Why is $4C - 2 approx 1.66386$? What is C in this case and where can I learn more about it?
– HugoTeixeira
Sep 8 at 16:23













@HugoTeixeira. Sorry for that ! As Toby Mak commented, $C$ is Catalan constant.
– Claude Leibovici
Sep 9 at 2:04




@HugoTeixeira. Sorry for that ! As Toby Mak commented, $C$ is Catalan constant.
– Claude Leibovici
Sep 9 at 2:04










up vote
1
down vote













To find the points of intersection, begin by setting $frac xsinx=xsinx$, which gives us when $xneq npi$ for $ninmathbbN$:$$sin^2x=1tosinx=pm1to x=(2n+1)cdotfracpi2quadforall ninmathbbN$$



In this case, you solely care about the area containing $(0,0)$, whose limit points are $pmfracpi2$. So your integral is $$int_-fracpi2^fracpi2 frac xsinx-xsinxdxsimcolorred1.66386$$



Unfortunately, there is no simple closed form for the indefinite integral, so this approximation will have to do.






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  • @RusabhMehta I found that the integral is approximately 1.66386237671, which is very close to $4G-2$ (where $G$ is Catalan's constant).
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:25











  • @TobyMak. This is the exact result.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 8 at 3:26






  • 1




    @ClaudeLeibovici I think we should split the integral up, and somehow prove that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 fracxsin x = 4G$ and that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 x sin x = 2$.
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:28











  • @TobyMak The Wikipedia's page about the Catalan constant already mentions the integral identity $G = frac14 int_-pi/2^pi/2 fractsin t dt$.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 9 at 19:18















up vote
1
down vote













To find the points of intersection, begin by setting $frac xsinx=xsinx$, which gives us when $xneq npi$ for $ninmathbbN$:$$sin^2x=1tosinx=pm1to x=(2n+1)cdotfracpi2quadforall ninmathbbN$$



In this case, you solely care about the area containing $(0,0)$, whose limit points are $pmfracpi2$. So your integral is $$int_-fracpi2^fracpi2 frac xsinx-xsinxdxsimcolorred1.66386$$



Unfortunately, there is no simple closed form for the indefinite integral, so this approximation will have to do.






share|cite|improve this answer




















  • @RusabhMehta I found that the integral is approximately 1.66386237671, which is very close to $4G-2$ (where $G$ is Catalan's constant).
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:25











  • @TobyMak. This is the exact result.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 8 at 3:26






  • 1




    @ClaudeLeibovici I think we should split the integral up, and somehow prove that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 fracxsin x = 4G$ and that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 x sin x = 2$.
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:28











  • @TobyMak The Wikipedia's page about the Catalan constant already mentions the integral identity $G = frac14 int_-pi/2^pi/2 fractsin t dt$.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 9 at 19:18













up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
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To find the points of intersection, begin by setting $frac xsinx=xsinx$, which gives us when $xneq npi$ for $ninmathbbN$:$$sin^2x=1tosinx=pm1to x=(2n+1)cdotfracpi2quadforall ninmathbbN$$



In this case, you solely care about the area containing $(0,0)$, whose limit points are $pmfracpi2$. So your integral is $$int_-fracpi2^fracpi2 frac xsinx-xsinxdxsimcolorred1.66386$$



Unfortunately, there is no simple closed form for the indefinite integral, so this approximation will have to do.






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To find the points of intersection, begin by setting $frac xsinx=xsinx$, which gives us when $xneq npi$ for $ninmathbbN$:$$sin^2x=1tosinx=pm1to x=(2n+1)cdotfracpi2quadforall ninmathbbN$$



In this case, you solely care about the area containing $(0,0)$, whose limit points are $pmfracpi2$. So your integral is $$int_-fracpi2^fracpi2 frac xsinx-xsinxdxsimcolorred1.66386$$



Unfortunately, there is no simple closed form for the indefinite integral, so this approximation will have to do.







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  • @RusabhMehta I found that the integral is approximately 1.66386237671, which is very close to $4G-2$ (where $G$ is Catalan's constant).
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:25











  • @TobyMak. This is the exact result.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 8 at 3:26






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    @ClaudeLeibovici I think we should split the integral up, and somehow prove that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 fracxsin x = 4G$ and that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 x sin x = 2$.
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:28











  • @TobyMak The Wikipedia's page about the Catalan constant already mentions the integral identity $G = frac14 int_-pi/2^pi/2 fractsin t dt$.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 9 at 19:18

















  • @RusabhMehta I found that the integral is approximately 1.66386237671, which is very close to $4G-2$ (where $G$ is Catalan's constant).
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:25











  • @TobyMak. This is the exact result.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Sep 8 at 3:26






  • 1




    @ClaudeLeibovici I think we should split the integral up, and somehow prove that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 fracxsin x = 4G$ and that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 x sin x = 2$.
    – Toby Mak
    Sep 8 at 3:28











  • @TobyMak The Wikipedia's page about the Catalan constant already mentions the integral identity $G = frac14 int_-pi/2^pi/2 fractsin t dt$.
    – HugoTeixeira
    Sep 9 at 19:18
















@RusabhMehta I found that the integral is approximately 1.66386237671, which is very close to $4G-2$ (where $G$ is Catalan's constant).
– Toby Mak
Sep 8 at 3:25





@RusabhMehta I found that the integral is approximately 1.66386237671, which is very close to $4G-2$ (where $G$ is Catalan's constant).
– Toby Mak
Sep 8 at 3:25













@TobyMak. This is the exact result.
– Claude Leibovici
Sep 8 at 3:26




@TobyMak. This is the exact result.
– Claude Leibovici
Sep 8 at 3:26




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@ClaudeLeibovici I think we should split the integral up, and somehow prove that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 fracxsin x = 4G$ and that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 x sin x = 2$.
– Toby Mak
Sep 8 at 3:28





@ClaudeLeibovici I think we should split the integral up, and somehow prove that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 fracxsin x = 4G$ and that $int_-pi/2^pi/2 x sin x = 2$.
– Toby Mak
Sep 8 at 3:28













@TobyMak The Wikipedia's page about the Catalan constant already mentions the integral identity $G = frac14 int_-pi/2^pi/2 fractsin t dt$.
– HugoTeixeira
Sep 9 at 19:18





@TobyMak The Wikipedia's page about the Catalan constant already mentions the integral identity $G = frac14 int_-pi/2^pi/2 fractsin t dt$.
– HugoTeixeira
Sep 9 at 19:18


















 

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