The set of discontinuous bounded functions is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$

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Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.




My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
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varepsilon
&leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
&leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
&< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
endalign*



Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.



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    Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.




    My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
    beginalign*
    varepsilon
    &leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
    &leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
    &< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
    endalign*



    Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.



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      Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.




      My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
      beginalign*
      varepsilon
      &leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
      &leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
      &< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
      endalign*



      Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.



      Question to you guys:
      Is this proof correct?, how could you improve it? Thanks for your help! :)










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      Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.




      My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
      beginalign*
      varepsilon
      &leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
      &leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
      &< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
      endalign*



      Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.



      Question to you guys:
      Is this proof correct?, how could you improve it? Thanks for your help! :)







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          Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.




          • You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.



            • One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what you’re about to do.

            • On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.


          • Instead of “there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$” what you need—and what you have shown—is that “the ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$”.



          • So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
            You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
            Hint:




            We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.








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            Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
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            Yes, this works.
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          Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.




          • You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.



            • One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what you’re about to do.

            • On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.


          • Instead of “there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$” what you need—and what you have shown—is that “the ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$”.



          • So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
            You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
            Hint:




            We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.








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            Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
            – duhdave
            Sep 8 at 21:29







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            Yes, this works.
            – Jendrik Stelzner
            Sep 8 at 22:06














          up vote
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          Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.




          • You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.



            • One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what you’re about to do.

            • On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.


          • Instead of “there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$” what you need—and what you have shown—is that “the ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$”.



          • So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
            You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
            Hint:




            We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.








          share|cite|improve this answer
















          • 1




            Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
            – duhdave
            Sep 8 at 21:29







          • 1




            Yes, this works.
            – Jendrik Stelzner
            Sep 8 at 22:06












          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
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          down vote



          accepted






          Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.




          • You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.



            • One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what you’re about to do.

            • On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.


          • Instead of “there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$” what you need—and what you have shown—is that “the ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$”.



          • So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
            You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
            Hint:




            We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.








          share|cite|improve this answer












          Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.




          • You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.



            • One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what you’re about to do.

            • On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.


          • Instead of “there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$” what you need—and what you have shown—is that “the ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$”.



          • So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
            You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
            Hint:




            We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.









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          answered Sep 8 at 11:30









          Jendrik Stelzner

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          • 1




            Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
            – duhdave
            Sep 8 at 21:29







          • 1




            Yes, this works.
            – Jendrik Stelzner
            Sep 8 at 22:06












          • 1




            Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
            – duhdave
            Sep 8 at 21:29







          • 1




            Yes, this works.
            – Jendrik Stelzner
            Sep 8 at 22:06







          1




          1




          Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
          – duhdave
          Sep 8 at 21:29





          Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
          – duhdave
          Sep 8 at 21:29





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          Yes, this works.
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          Sep 8 at 22:06




          Yes, this works.
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