The set of discontinuous bounded functions is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$

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Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.
My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
beginalign*
varepsilon
&leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
&leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
&< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
endalign*
Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.
Question to you guys:
Is this proof correct?, how could you improve it? Thanks for your help! :)
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Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.
My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
beginalign*
varepsilon
&leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
&leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
&< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
endalign*
Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.
Question to you guys:
Is this proof correct?, how could you improve it? Thanks for your help! :)
general-topology proof-verification metric-spaces
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up vote
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Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.
My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
beginalign*
varepsilon
&leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
&leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
&< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
endalign*
Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.
Question to you guys:
Is this proof correct?, how could you improve it? Thanks for your help! :)
general-topology proof-verification metric-spaces
Problem: Show that the discontinuous and bounded functions set is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, where $mathbbB(M,N)$ is the set of bounded functions.
My attempt of proof: Let $D_a$ be the set of discontinuous and bounded functions $f:Mrightarrow N$ discontinuous in $a$. So, there exist some $varepsilon >0$ such that for all $delta>0$ we can find an $xin M$ with $d(x,a)<delta$ and $d(f(x),f(a))geq varepsilon$. Now, let $g$ be in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and $d(g,f)<fracvarepsilon3$, then, since
beginalign*
varepsilon
&leq d(f(x),f(a)) \
&leq d(f(x),g(x))+d(g(x),g(a))+d(f(a),g(a)) \
&< fracvarepsilon3+d(g(x),g(a))+fracvarepsilon3
endalign*
Then, $fracvarepsilon3leq d(g(x),g(a))$, that means $gin D_a$. Then, since $f,gin D_a$ and $d(f,g)<fracvarepsilon3$ we can assure that there is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$, so $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$.
Question to you guys:
Is this proof correct?, how could you improve it? Thanks for your help! :)
general-topology proof-verification metric-spaces
general-topology proof-verification metric-spaces
edited Sep 8 at 11:03
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Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.
You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.
- One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what youâÂÂre about to do.
- On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.
Instead of âÂÂthere is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$â what you needâÂÂand what you have shownâÂÂis that âÂÂthe ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$âÂÂ.
So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
Hint:
We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.
1
Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
â duhdave
Sep 8 at 21:29
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Yes, this works.
â Jendrik Stelzner
Sep 8 at 22:06
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
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down vote
accepted
Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.
You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.
- One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what youâÂÂre about to do.
- On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.
Instead of âÂÂthere is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$â what you needâÂÂand what you have shownâÂÂis that âÂÂthe ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$âÂÂ.
So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
Hint:
We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.
1
Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
â duhdave
Sep 8 at 21:29
1
Yes, this works.
â Jendrik Stelzner
Sep 8 at 22:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.
You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.
- One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what youâÂÂre about to do.
- On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.
Instead of âÂÂthere is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$â what you needâÂÂand what you have shownâÂÂis that âÂÂthe ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$âÂÂ.
So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
Hint:
We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.
1
Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
â duhdave
Sep 8 at 21:29
1
Yes, this works.
â Jendrik Stelzner
Sep 8 at 22:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.
You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.
- One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what youâÂÂre about to do.
- On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.
Instead of âÂÂthere is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$â what you needâÂÂand what you have shownâÂÂis that âÂÂthe ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$âÂÂ.
So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
Hint:
We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.
Your proof is overall corrent, but I think it can be improved in terms of clarity.
You should make it clear that you fix $f in D_a$ and show that $D_a$ contains an open ball around $f$.
- One the one hand this helps the reader to understand what youâÂÂre about to do.
- On the other hand it makes clear that the appearing constants (in this case $varepsilon$) depend on the choice $f$, which can help preventing mistakes in the proof.
Instead of âÂÂthere is a ball $B(f,fracvarepsilon3)subset mathbbB(M,N)$ with $fin D_a$â what you needâÂÂand what you have shownâÂÂis that âÂÂthe ball $B(f, varepsilon/3)$ is completely contained in $D_a$âÂÂ.
So far you have only shown that for every $a in M$ the subset $D_a subset mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at this specific point $a$ is open.
You still need to conclude that the set $D subseteq mathbbB(M,N)$ of bounded functions which are discontinuous at some point is open.
Hint:
We have that $D = bigcup_a in M D_a$.
answered Sep 8 at 11:30
Jendrik Stelzner
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Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
â duhdave
Sep 8 at 21:29
1
Yes, this works.
â Jendrik Stelzner
Sep 8 at 22:06
add a comment |Â
1
Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
â duhdave
Sep 8 at 21:29
1
Yes, this works.
â Jendrik Stelzner
Sep 8 at 22:06
1
1
Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
â duhdave
Sep 8 at 21:29
Thanks so much for your answer, then, to be strict, since $D=bigcup D_a$, and $D_a$ is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$ and the arbitrary union of open set is open, then D is open in $mathbbB(M,N)$, right?
â duhdave
Sep 8 at 21:29
1
1
Yes, this works.
â Jendrik Stelzner
Sep 8 at 22:06
Yes, this works.
â Jendrik Stelzner
Sep 8 at 22:06
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