If matrix $A$ orthogonal then $A^2$ is orthogonal?

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If matrices $Ain M_n(mathbb R)$ orthogonal, then $A^2$ can be orthogonal but it does not have to be orthogonal?



My answer that $A^2$ is always orthogonal, I prove that $|A^2x|=|x|$, but is there better solution to prove that?










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  • There are a bunch of equivalent propertiea for orthogonality, as for examplw $A^top=A^-1$. Check them out on wiki and try proving the claim using these
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  • The product of two orthogonal matrices of the same size is orthogonal.
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If matrices $Ain M_n(mathbb R)$ orthogonal, then $A^2$ can be orthogonal but it does not have to be orthogonal?



My answer that $A^2$ is always orthogonal, I prove that $|A^2x|=|x|$, but is there better solution to prove that?










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  • There are a bunch of equivalent propertiea for orthogonality, as for examplw $A^top=A^-1$. Check them out on wiki and try proving the claim using these
    – b00n heT
    Sep 2 at 11:16










  • The product of two orthogonal matrices of the same size is orthogonal.
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Sep 2 at 11:23












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If matrices $Ain M_n(mathbb R)$ orthogonal, then $A^2$ can be orthogonal but it does not have to be orthogonal?



My answer that $A^2$ is always orthogonal, I prove that $|A^2x|=|x|$, but is there better solution to prove that?










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If matrices $Ain M_n(mathbb R)$ orthogonal, then $A^2$ can be orthogonal but it does not have to be orthogonal?



My answer that $A^2$ is always orthogonal, I prove that $|A^2x|=|x|$, but is there better solution to prove that?







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  • There are a bunch of equivalent propertiea for orthogonality, as for examplw $A^top=A^-1$. Check them out on wiki and try proving the claim using these
    – b00n heT
    Sep 2 at 11:16










  • The product of two orthogonal matrices of the same size is orthogonal.
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Sep 2 at 11:23
















  • There are a bunch of equivalent propertiea for orthogonality, as for examplw $A^top=A^-1$. Check them out on wiki and try proving the claim using these
    – b00n heT
    Sep 2 at 11:16










  • The product of two orthogonal matrices of the same size is orthogonal.
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Sep 2 at 11:23















There are a bunch of equivalent propertiea for orthogonality, as for examplw $A^top=A^-1$. Check them out on wiki and try proving the claim using these
– b00n heT
Sep 2 at 11:16




There are a bunch of equivalent propertiea for orthogonality, as for examplw $A^top=A^-1$. Check them out on wiki and try proving the claim using these
– b00n heT
Sep 2 at 11:16












The product of two orthogonal matrices of the same size is orthogonal.
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Sep 2 at 11:23




The product of two orthogonal matrices of the same size is orthogonal.
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Sep 2 at 11:23










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Yes, it has to be orthogonal. Suppose that $A$ is orthogonal. What this means is that $A^t.A=operatornameId$. But thenbeginalign(A^2)^t.A^2&=(A.A)^t.A.A\&=A^t.A^t.A.A\&=A^t.operatornameId.A\&=A^t.A\&=operatornameId.endalignTherefore, $A^2$ is orthogonal too.






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    $A$ is orthogonal $ iff$ $A^T=A^-1$



    $$ A^-1=A^T implies A^-2=(A^T)^2=(A^2)^T$$



    $$ (A^2)^-1=(A^2)^T$$



    $A$ is orthogonal $implies$ $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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      A square matrix is orthogonal if and only if its columns are orthonormal. For column indices $j,k in 1, ldots, n$ we have



      $$sum_i=1^n (A^2)_ij(A^2)_ik = sum_i=1^n left(sum_r=1^n A_irA_rjright)left(sum_s=1^n A_isA_skright) = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n left(sum_i=1^n A_irA_isright)A_rjA_sk\ = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n delta_rsA_rjA_sk = sum_r=1^n A_rjA_rk = delta_jk$$



      so $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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        Yes, it has to be orthogonal. Suppose that $A$ is orthogonal. What this means is that $A^t.A=operatornameId$. But thenbeginalign(A^2)^t.A^2&=(A.A)^t.A.A\&=A^t.A^t.A.A\&=A^t.operatornameId.A\&=A^t.A\&=operatornameId.endalignTherefore, $A^2$ is orthogonal too.






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          Yes, it has to be orthogonal. Suppose that $A$ is orthogonal. What this means is that $A^t.A=operatornameId$. But thenbeginalign(A^2)^t.A^2&=(A.A)^t.A.A\&=A^t.A^t.A.A\&=A^t.operatornameId.A\&=A^t.A\&=operatornameId.endalignTherefore, $A^2$ is orthogonal too.






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            Yes, it has to be orthogonal. Suppose that $A$ is orthogonal. What this means is that $A^t.A=operatornameId$. But thenbeginalign(A^2)^t.A^2&=(A.A)^t.A.A\&=A^t.A^t.A.A\&=A^t.operatornameId.A\&=A^t.A\&=operatornameId.endalignTherefore, $A^2$ is orthogonal too.






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            Yes, it has to be orthogonal. Suppose that $A$ is orthogonal. What this means is that $A^t.A=operatornameId$. But thenbeginalign(A^2)^t.A^2&=(A.A)^t.A.A\&=A^t.A^t.A.A\&=A^t.operatornameId.A\&=A^t.A\&=operatornameId.endalignTherefore, $A^2$ is orthogonal too.







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                $A$ is orthogonal $ iff$ $A^T=A^-1$



                $$ A^-1=A^T implies A^-2=(A^T)^2=(A^2)^T$$



                $$ (A^2)^-1=(A^2)^T$$



                $A$ is orthogonal $implies$ $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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                  $A$ is orthogonal $ iff$ $A^T=A^-1$



                  $$ A^-1=A^T implies A^-2=(A^T)^2=(A^2)^T$$



                  $$ (A^2)^-1=(A^2)^T$$



                  $A$ is orthogonal $implies$ $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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                    $A$ is orthogonal $ iff$ $A^T=A^-1$



                    $$ A^-1=A^T implies A^-2=(A^T)^2=(A^2)^T$$



                    $$ (A^2)^-1=(A^2)^T$$



                    $A$ is orthogonal $implies$ $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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                    $A$ is orthogonal $ iff$ $A^T=A^-1$



                    $$ A^-1=A^T implies A^-2=(A^T)^2=(A^2)^T$$



                    $$ (A^2)^-1=(A^2)^T$$



                    $A$ is orthogonal $implies$ $A^2$ is orthogonal.







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                        A square matrix is orthogonal if and only if its columns are orthonormal. For column indices $j,k in 1, ldots, n$ we have



                        $$sum_i=1^n (A^2)_ij(A^2)_ik = sum_i=1^n left(sum_r=1^n A_irA_rjright)left(sum_s=1^n A_isA_skright) = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n left(sum_i=1^n A_irA_isright)A_rjA_sk\ = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n delta_rsA_rjA_sk = sum_r=1^n A_rjA_rk = delta_jk$$



                        so $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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                          A square matrix is orthogonal if and only if its columns are orthonormal. For column indices $j,k in 1, ldots, n$ we have



                          $$sum_i=1^n (A^2)_ij(A^2)_ik = sum_i=1^n left(sum_r=1^n A_irA_rjright)left(sum_s=1^n A_isA_skright) = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n left(sum_i=1^n A_irA_isright)A_rjA_sk\ = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n delta_rsA_rjA_sk = sum_r=1^n A_rjA_rk = delta_jk$$



                          so $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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                            A square matrix is orthogonal if and only if its columns are orthonormal. For column indices $j,k in 1, ldots, n$ we have



                            $$sum_i=1^n (A^2)_ij(A^2)_ik = sum_i=1^n left(sum_r=1^n A_irA_rjright)left(sum_s=1^n A_isA_skright) = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n left(sum_i=1^n A_irA_isright)A_rjA_sk\ = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n delta_rsA_rjA_sk = sum_r=1^n A_rjA_rk = delta_jk$$



                            so $A^2$ is orthogonal.






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                            A square matrix is orthogonal if and only if its columns are orthonormal. For column indices $j,k in 1, ldots, n$ we have



                            $$sum_i=1^n (A^2)_ij(A^2)_ik = sum_i=1^n left(sum_r=1^n A_irA_rjright)left(sum_s=1^n A_isA_skright) = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n left(sum_i=1^n A_irA_isright)A_rjA_sk\ = sum_r=1^n sum_s=1^n delta_rsA_rjA_sk = sum_r=1^n A_rjA_rk = delta_jk$$



                            so $A^2$ is orthogonal.







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