An example of neither open nor closed set
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I need a very simple example of a set of real numbers (if there is any) that is neither closed nor open, along with an explanation of why it is so.
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I need a very simple example of a set of real numbers (if there is any) that is neither closed nor open, along with an explanation of why it is so.
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I need a very simple example of a set of real numbers (if there is any) that is neither closed nor open, along with an explanation of why it is so.
general-topology
I need a very simple example of a set of real numbers (if there is any) that is neither closed nor open, along with an explanation of why it is so.
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general-topology
edited Sep 2 at 9:39
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asked Aug 24 '12 at 0:27
Monkey D. Luffy
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$[0,1)$
It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.
It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.
One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
â Monkey D. Luffy
Aug 24 '12 at 0:36
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@MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
â Eugene Shvarts
Aug 24 '12 at 0:37
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For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbbQ$.
They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.
They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left dfraclfloor10^n srfloor10^n right.$
$mathbb Q$ is exotic?
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Sep 2 at 10:28
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Let $A = frac1n : n in mathbbN$.
$A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.
$A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbbR - A$.
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Take $mathbbR$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbbRsetminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.
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The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbbR^2$, that is $left left ( x,0 right ) in mathbbR^2: x in left ( 0,1 right )right $ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.
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5 Answers
5
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
28
down vote
accepted
$[0,1)$
It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.
It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.
One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
â Monkey D. Luffy
Aug 24 '12 at 0:36
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@MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
â Eugene Shvarts
Aug 24 '12 at 0:37
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up vote
28
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$[0,1)$
It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.
It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.
One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
â Monkey D. Luffy
Aug 24 '12 at 0:36
2
@MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
â Eugene Shvarts
Aug 24 '12 at 0:37
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up vote
28
down vote
accepted
up vote
28
down vote
accepted
$[0,1)$
It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.
It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.
$[0,1)$
It is not open because there is no $epsilon > 0$ such that $(0-epsilon,0+epsilon) subseteq [0,1)$.
It is not closed because $1$ is a limit point of the set which is not contained in it.
answered Aug 24 '12 at 0:28
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One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
â Monkey D. Luffy
Aug 24 '12 at 0:36
2
@MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
â Eugene Shvarts
Aug 24 '12 at 0:37
add a comment |Â
One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
â Monkey D. Luffy
Aug 24 '12 at 0:36
2
@MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
â Eugene Shvarts
Aug 24 '12 at 0:37
One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
â Monkey D. Luffy
Aug 24 '12 at 0:36
One last Question, does the set has be connected? for example:- [1,2]U[3,4] ... what can we say about this set?
â Monkey D. Luffy
Aug 24 '12 at 0:36
2
2
@MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
â Eugene Shvarts
Aug 24 '12 at 0:37
@MonkeyD.Luffy A finite union of closed sets is closed, an arbitrary intersection of closed sets is closed. DeMorgan's Law gives you the analogous statements for open sets.
â Eugene Shvarts
Aug 24 '12 at 0:37
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20
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For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbbQ$.
They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.
They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left dfraclfloor10^n srfloor10^n right.$
$mathbb Q$ is exotic?
â celtschk
Sep 2 at 10:28
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up vote
20
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For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbbQ$.
They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.
They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left dfraclfloor10^n srfloor10^n right.$
$mathbb Q$ is exotic?
â celtschk
Sep 2 at 10:28
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up vote
20
down vote
up vote
20
down vote
For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbbQ$.
They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.
They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left dfraclfloor10^n srfloor10^n right.$
For a slightly more exotic example, the rationals, $mathbbQ$.
They are not open because any interval about a rational point $r$, $(r-epsilon,r+epsilon)$, contains an irrational point.
They are not closed because every irrational point is the limit of a sequence of rational points. If $s$ is irrational, consider the sequence $left dfraclfloor10^n srfloor10^n right.$
answered Aug 24 '12 at 0:32
Eugene Shvarts
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$mathbb Q$ is exotic?
â celtschk
Sep 2 at 10:28
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$mathbb Q$ is exotic?
â celtschk
Sep 2 at 10:28
$mathbb Q$ is exotic?
â celtschk
Sep 2 at 10:28
$mathbb Q$ is exotic?
â celtschk
Sep 2 at 10:28
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Let $A = frac1n : n in mathbbN$.
$A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.
$A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbbR - A$.
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Let $A = frac1n : n in mathbbN$.
$A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.
$A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbbR - A$.
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up vote
12
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up vote
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Let $A = frac1n : n in mathbbN$.
$A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.
$A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbbR - A$.
Let $A = frac1n : n in mathbbN$.
$A$ is not closed since $0$ is a limit point of $A$, but $0 notin A$.
$A$ is not open since every ball around any point contains a point in $mathbbR - A$.
answered Aug 24 '12 at 0:38
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Take $mathbbR$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbbRsetminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.
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up vote
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Take $mathbbR$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbbRsetminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.
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up vote
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up vote
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Take $mathbbR$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbbRsetminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.
Take $mathbbR$ with the finite complement topology - that is, the open sets are exactly those with finite complement. Then $[0,1]$ is neither open nor closed. It is not open since $mathbbRsetminus [0,1]=(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$ is not finite, and it is not closed since its complement, $(-infty,0) cup (1,infty)$, is not open, as just demonstrated.
answered Aug 24 '12 at 0:33
Alex Petzke
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The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbbR^2$, that is $left left ( x,0 right ) in mathbbR^2: x in left ( 0,1 right )right $ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.
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The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbbR^2$, that is $left left ( x,0 right ) in mathbbR^2: x in left ( 0,1 right )right $ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.
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The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbbR^2$, that is $left left ( x,0 right ) in mathbbR^2: x in left ( 0,1 right )right $ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.
The interval $left ( 0,1 right )$ as a subset of $mathbbR^2$, that is $left left ( x,0 right ) in mathbbR^2: x in left ( 0,1 right )right $ is neither open nor closed because none of its points are interior points and $left ( 1,0 right )$ is a limit point not in the set.
edited Aug 3 '15 at 13:21
answered Aug 3 '15 at 9:19
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