Fundamental group of a quotient of a cylinder
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
Let $X$ be a connected topological space which admits a universal covering. Let $Y$ be the topological space obtained as following:we have an homeomorphism $f : X to X$ , we take $X times left[0,1right]$ and we identify $(x,0)$ with $(f(x),1)$.
I should prove that $pi_1(Y)$ is a semidirect product of $pi_1(X)$ and $mathbbZ$.
I think I found a solution but the fact that does not convince me is that I did not use the universal covering hypothesis.
Let $$pi: X times mathbbR to Y$$ $$(x,t) to (f^-left lfloortright rfloor(x),t ) .$$ This map is a covering map.
One can check that the automorphism group is $mathbbZ$ and acts transitively on the fiber of this covering; actually, one can explicitly describe this group as the maps $$alpha_n(x,t)=(f^n(x),t+n)$$ with $n$ an integer.
So, because of standard theory facts about normal covering one has $$fracpi_1(Y)pi_1(X) cong mathbbZ .$$
Now, a reasoning of group theory should end the demonstration.
Where is the mistake and where should I have used that hypothesis?
general-topology algebraic-topology fundamental-groups semidirect-product
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
Let $X$ be a connected topological space which admits a universal covering. Let $Y$ be the topological space obtained as following:we have an homeomorphism $f : X to X$ , we take $X times left[0,1right]$ and we identify $(x,0)$ with $(f(x),1)$.
I should prove that $pi_1(Y)$ is a semidirect product of $pi_1(X)$ and $mathbbZ$.
I think I found a solution but the fact that does not convince me is that I did not use the universal covering hypothesis.
Let $$pi: X times mathbbR to Y$$ $$(x,t) to (f^-left lfloortright rfloor(x),t ) .$$ This map is a covering map.
One can check that the automorphism group is $mathbbZ$ and acts transitively on the fiber of this covering; actually, one can explicitly describe this group as the maps $$alpha_n(x,t)=(f^n(x),t+n)$$ with $n$ an integer.
So, because of standard theory facts about normal covering one has $$fracpi_1(Y)pi_1(X) cong mathbbZ .$$
Now, a reasoning of group theory should end the demonstration.
Where is the mistake and where should I have used that hypothesis?
general-topology algebraic-topology fundamental-groups semidirect-product
Please provide a proof that the map you wrote is a covering map.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 13:11
It is not clear to me even why $pi$ is continuous.
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 14:59
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
up vote
1
down vote
favorite
Let $X$ be a connected topological space which admits a universal covering. Let $Y$ be the topological space obtained as following:we have an homeomorphism $f : X to X$ , we take $X times left[0,1right]$ and we identify $(x,0)$ with $(f(x),1)$.
I should prove that $pi_1(Y)$ is a semidirect product of $pi_1(X)$ and $mathbbZ$.
I think I found a solution but the fact that does not convince me is that I did not use the universal covering hypothesis.
Let $$pi: X times mathbbR to Y$$ $$(x,t) to (f^-left lfloortright rfloor(x),t ) .$$ This map is a covering map.
One can check that the automorphism group is $mathbbZ$ and acts transitively on the fiber of this covering; actually, one can explicitly describe this group as the maps $$alpha_n(x,t)=(f^n(x),t+n)$$ with $n$ an integer.
So, because of standard theory facts about normal covering one has $$fracpi_1(Y)pi_1(X) cong mathbbZ .$$
Now, a reasoning of group theory should end the demonstration.
Where is the mistake and where should I have used that hypothesis?
general-topology algebraic-topology fundamental-groups semidirect-product
Let $X$ be a connected topological space which admits a universal covering. Let $Y$ be the topological space obtained as following:we have an homeomorphism $f : X to X$ , we take $X times left[0,1right]$ and we identify $(x,0)$ with $(f(x),1)$.
I should prove that $pi_1(Y)$ is a semidirect product of $pi_1(X)$ and $mathbbZ$.
I think I found a solution but the fact that does not convince me is that I did not use the universal covering hypothesis.
Let $$pi: X times mathbbR to Y$$ $$(x,t) to (f^-left lfloortright rfloor(x),t ) .$$ This map is a covering map.
One can check that the automorphism group is $mathbbZ$ and acts transitively on the fiber of this covering; actually, one can explicitly describe this group as the maps $$alpha_n(x,t)=(f^n(x),t+n)$$ with $n$ an integer.
So, because of standard theory facts about normal covering one has $$fracpi_1(Y)pi_1(X) cong mathbbZ .$$
Now, a reasoning of group theory should end the demonstration.
Where is the mistake and where should I have used that hypothesis?
general-topology algebraic-topology fundamental-groups semidirect-product
general-topology algebraic-topology fundamental-groups semidirect-product
asked Sep 2 at 11:24
Tommaso Scognamiglio
358211
358211
Please provide a proof that the map you wrote is a covering map.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 13:11
It is not clear to me even why $pi$ is continuous.
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 14:59
add a comment |Â
Please provide a proof that the map you wrote is a covering map.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 13:11
It is not clear to me even why $pi$ is continuous.
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 14:59
Please provide a proof that the map you wrote is a covering map.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 13:11
Please provide a proof that the map you wrote is a covering map.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 13:11
It is not clear to me even why $pi$ is continuous.
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 14:59
It is not clear to me even why $pi$ is continuous.
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 14:59
add a comment |Â
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
Note that the homeomorphism $f$ gives an isomorphism $f_*=pi_1(f) : pi_1(X) longrightarrow pi_1(X)$, so that $mathbb Z$ acts on $pi_1(X)$ via $nmapsto f_*^n$. In this way you obtain a group $G = pi_1(X) rtimes mathbb Z$. Now recall that if $pi : tildeXto X$ is the universal cover of $X$, there is an isomorphism between the group of deck transformations of $pi$ and $pi_1(X)$. I will produce from this universal cover of $X$ a cover of $Y = IX/((x,0) = (f(x),1))$.
Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, it lifts to a homeomorphism $tilde f$ of $tildeX$ such that $pi f =tildef pi$. You can now consider the disjoint union $tilde Y$ of the spaces $tilde X[i] times [0,1]$ with $iinmathbb Z$ where $(tilde x_i,0)$ identifies with $(tilde f(tilde x_i+1),1)$. There is a (well defined) map $rho : tilde Yto Y$ that sends $[tilde x_i,t]$ to $[pitilde x_i,t]$ and this is the universal cover of $Y$.
It suffices then to show that the group $D(rho)$ of deck transformations of $rho$ is a semidirect product of $D(pi)$ and $mathbb Z$. The definition of $rho$ shows that at least the group $D(rho)$ contains a copy of $D(pi)$, where you can make any deck transformation of $pi$ act on the first coordinate; you also have a copy of $mathbb Z$ acting by shifting through $tilde f$. Perhaps you can take it from here and conclude.
There are some details missing, notably showing your universal cover is simply connected. A possibly easier approach is to build your covering space out of $X$ instead; this space is homotopy equivalent to $X$, and then getting the fundamental group structure (and even the semidirect action) is easier.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:07
@SteveD I would be glad to have this answer improved or have a better answer posted. I am no serious algebraic topologist, so this is the best I could come up with. :)
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 16:09
No your approach is perfect! I was simply mentioning that the group structure falls out a bit better if you don't pass to the universal cover first. Showing the space is simply connected is not completely trivial, but I think that's fine to leave to the reader :). If I have time later, I'll post an answer as well.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:12
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Your idea is sound, but the map you wrote down is not a covering map (at least it's not obviously one to me).
The space you're talking about is the mapping torus, and we can cover it with something called the mapping telescope.
Let $Y_mathbbZ=sqcup (Xtimes[n,n+1])$, and let $widehatY$ be the quotient space of $Y_mathbbZ$ identifying $(x,n+1)$ and $(f(x),n+1)$, where the former is a right endpoint, and the latter a left endpoint. We can further write $widehatY_m$ as the image of $le m$ in $widehatY$.
Now $widehatY$ is a covering space of your $Y$, with covering map $rho([x,n])=[x,npmod1]$. The sheets of this covering look like
$$ rho^-1([x,t])=[f^m(x),t+m]mid minmathbbZ$$
Now the deck transformations act on $widehatY$ via $p_m([x,n])=[f^m(x),n+m]$. Since this action is transitive on fibers, $rho_*pi_1(widehatY)$ is a normal subgroup of $pi_1(Y)$, and we also have $pi_1(Y)/rho_*pi_1(widehatY)congmathbbZ$, with $mathbbZ$ corresponding to those deck transformations. Since $mathbbZ$ is a free group, we actually have a split extension
$$ pi_1(Y)congpi_1(widehatY)rtimesmathbbZ$$
Finally, we have $pi_1(widehatY)congpi_1(X)$. That follows by describing an explicit homotopy equivalence between $X$ and $widehatY_m$ [for any $m$], and then reasoning via compactness that any map $alpha:S^1rightarrowwidehatY$ ends up in some $widehatY_m$. Note that we can actually describe the semidirect action as well, since we have the deck transformations above that generate the $mathbbZ$ factor. Namely, for $[alpha]inpi_1(X)$ and $minmathbbZ$, the action is given by
$$ [alpha]^(m)=[f^m(alpha)]$$
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Someone suggested to me the following alternative approach. Pick a basepoint $astin X$ and consider the covering map $g : Yto S^1$ that sends $[x,t]$ to $exp(2 pi i t)$. This induces a map $g_*:pi_1(Y) to pi_1(S^1) = mathbb Z$. By picking a loop from the $ast$ to $f(ast)$, you can construct a splitting for $g_*$. This means that $pi_1(Y)$ is the semidirect product of $mathbb Z$ with the kernel of $g_*$, so it suffices to show that $ker g_*$ is $pi_1(X)$. The fibre of $g$ at the basepoint of $S^1$ is equal to the space obtained by glueing $X$ to $X$ along $f$, and since $f$ is an homeomorphism, this is just $X$. Since $pi_2(S^1)=0$, you obtain from the LES of a fibration what you wanted, a (split) exact sequence
$$0to pi_1(X) to pi_1(Y)to mathbb Zto 0.$$
add a comment |Â
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
Note that the homeomorphism $f$ gives an isomorphism $f_*=pi_1(f) : pi_1(X) longrightarrow pi_1(X)$, so that $mathbb Z$ acts on $pi_1(X)$ via $nmapsto f_*^n$. In this way you obtain a group $G = pi_1(X) rtimes mathbb Z$. Now recall that if $pi : tildeXto X$ is the universal cover of $X$, there is an isomorphism between the group of deck transformations of $pi$ and $pi_1(X)$. I will produce from this universal cover of $X$ a cover of $Y = IX/((x,0) = (f(x),1))$.
Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, it lifts to a homeomorphism $tilde f$ of $tildeX$ such that $pi f =tildef pi$. You can now consider the disjoint union $tilde Y$ of the spaces $tilde X[i] times [0,1]$ with $iinmathbb Z$ where $(tilde x_i,0)$ identifies with $(tilde f(tilde x_i+1),1)$. There is a (well defined) map $rho : tilde Yto Y$ that sends $[tilde x_i,t]$ to $[pitilde x_i,t]$ and this is the universal cover of $Y$.
It suffices then to show that the group $D(rho)$ of deck transformations of $rho$ is a semidirect product of $D(pi)$ and $mathbb Z$. The definition of $rho$ shows that at least the group $D(rho)$ contains a copy of $D(pi)$, where you can make any deck transformation of $pi$ act on the first coordinate; you also have a copy of $mathbb Z$ acting by shifting through $tilde f$. Perhaps you can take it from here and conclude.
There are some details missing, notably showing your universal cover is simply connected. A possibly easier approach is to build your covering space out of $X$ instead; this space is homotopy equivalent to $X$, and then getting the fundamental group structure (and even the semidirect action) is easier.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:07
@SteveD I would be glad to have this answer improved or have a better answer posted. I am no serious algebraic topologist, so this is the best I could come up with. :)
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 16:09
No your approach is perfect! I was simply mentioning that the group structure falls out a bit better if you don't pass to the universal cover first. Showing the space is simply connected is not completely trivial, but I think that's fine to leave to the reader :). If I have time later, I'll post an answer as well.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:12
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Note that the homeomorphism $f$ gives an isomorphism $f_*=pi_1(f) : pi_1(X) longrightarrow pi_1(X)$, so that $mathbb Z$ acts on $pi_1(X)$ via $nmapsto f_*^n$. In this way you obtain a group $G = pi_1(X) rtimes mathbb Z$. Now recall that if $pi : tildeXto X$ is the universal cover of $X$, there is an isomorphism between the group of deck transformations of $pi$ and $pi_1(X)$. I will produce from this universal cover of $X$ a cover of $Y = IX/((x,0) = (f(x),1))$.
Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, it lifts to a homeomorphism $tilde f$ of $tildeX$ such that $pi f =tildef pi$. You can now consider the disjoint union $tilde Y$ of the spaces $tilde X[i] times [0,1]$ with $iinmathbb Z$ where $(tilde x_i,0)$ identifies with $(tilde f(tilde x_i+1),1)$. There is a (well defined) map $rho : tilde Yto Y$ that sends $[tilde x_i,t]$ to $[pitilde x_i,t]$ and this is the universal cover of $Y$.
It suffices then to show that the group $D(rho)$ of deck transformations of $rho$ is a semidirect product of $D(pi)$ and $mathbb Z$. The definition of $rho$ shows that at least the group $D(rho)$ contains a copy of $D(pi)$, where you can make any deck transformation of $pi$ act on the first coordinate; you also have a copy of $mathbb Z$ acting by shifting through $tilde f$. Perhaps you can take it from here and conclude.
There are some details missing, notably showing your universal cover is simply connected. A possibly easier approach is to build your covering space out of $X$ instead; this space is homotopy equivalent to $X$, and then getting the fundamental group structure (and even the semidirect action) is easier.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:07
@SteveD I would be glad to have this answer improved or have a better answer posted. I am no serious algebraic topologist, so this is the best I could come up with. :)
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 16:09
No your approach is perfect! I was simply mentioning that the group structure falls out a bit better if you don't pass to the universal cover first. Showing the space is simply connected is not completely trivial, but I think that's fine to leave to the reader :). If I have time later, I'll post an answer as well.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:12
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Note that the homeomorphism $f$ gives an isomorphism $f_*=pi_1(f) : pi_1(X) longrightarrow pi_1(X)$, so that $mathbb Z$ acts on $pi_1(X)$ via $nmapsto f_*^n$. In this way you obtain a group $G = pi_1(X) rtimes mathbb Z$. Now recall that if $pi : tildeXto X$ is the universal cover of $X$, there is an isomorphism between the group of deck transformations of $pi$ and $pi_1(X)$. I will produce from this universal cover of $X$ a cover of $Y = IX/((x,0) = (f(x),1))$.
Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, it lifts to a homeomorphism $tilde f$ of $tildeX$ such that $pi f =tildef pi$. You can now consider the disjoint union $tilde Y$ of the spaces $tilde X[i] times [0,1]$ with $iinmathbb Z$ where $(tilde x_i,0)$ identifies with $(tilde f(tilde x_i+1),1)$. There is a (well defined) map $rho : tilde Yto Y$ that sends $[tilde x_i,t]$ to $[pitilde x_i,t]$ and this is the universal cover of $Y$.
It suffices then to show that the group $D(rho)$ of deck transformations of $rho$ is a semidirect product of $D(pi)$ and $mathbb Z$. The definition of $rho$ shows that at least the group $D(rho)$ contains a copy of $D(pi)$, where you can make any deck transformation of $pi$ act on the first coordinate; you also have a copy of $mathbb Z$ acting by shifting through $tilde f$. Perhaps you can take it from here and conclude.
Note that the homeomorphism $f$ gives an isomorphism $f_*=pi_1(f) : pi_1(X) longrightarrow pi_1(X)$, so that $mathbb Z$ acts on $pi_1(X)$ via $nmapsto f_*^n$. In this way you obtain a group $G = pi_1(X) rtimes mathbb Z$. Now recall that if $pi : tildeXto X$ is the universal cover of $X$, there is an isomorphism between the group of deck transformations of $pi$ and $pi_1(X)$. I will produce from this universal cover of $X$ a cover of $Y = IX/((x,0) = (f(x),1))$.
Since $f$ is a homeomorphism, it lifts to a homeomorphism $tilde f$ of $tildeX$ such that $pi f =tildef pi$. You can now consider the disjoint union $tilde Y$ of the spaces $tilde X[i] times [0,1]$ with $iinmathbb Z$ where $(tilde x_i,0)$ identifies with $(tilde f(tilde x_i+1),1)$. There is a (well defined) map $rho : tilde Yto Y$ that sends $[tilde x_i,t]$ to $[pitilde x_i,t]$ and this is the universal cover of $Y$.
It suffices then to show that the group $D(rho)$ of deck transformations of $rho$ is a semidirect product of $D(pi)$ and $mathbb Z$. The definition of $rho$ shows that at least the group $D(rho)$ contains a copy of $D(pi)$, where you can make any deck transformation of $pi$ act on the first coordinate; you also have a copy of $mathbb Z$ acting by shifting through $tilde f$. Perhaps you can take it from here and conclude.
answered Sep 2 at 15:30
Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
94.4k10144293
94.4k10144293
There are some details missing, notably showing your universal cover is simply connected. A possibly easier approach is to build your covering space out of $X$ instead; this space is homotopy equivalent to $X$, and then getting the fundamental group structure (and even the semidirect action) is easier.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:07
@SteveD I would be glad to have this answer improved or have a better answer posted. I am no serious algebraic topologist, so this is the best I could come up with. :)
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 16:09
No your approach is perfect! I was simply mentioning that the group structure falls out a bit better if you don't pass to the universal cover first. Showing the space is simply connected is not completely trivial, but I think that's fine to leave to the reader :). If I have time later, I'll post an answer as well.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:12
add a comment |Â
There are some details missing, notably showing your universal cover is simply connected. A possibly easier approach is to build your covering space out of $X$ instead; this space is homotopy equivalent to $X$, and then getting the fundamental group structure (and even the semidirect action) is easier.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:07
@SteveD I would be glad to have this answer improved or have a better answer posted. I am no serious algebraic topologist, so this is the best I could come up with. :)
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 16:09
No your approach is perfect! I was simply mentioning that the group structure falls out a bit better if you don't pass to the universal cover first. Showing the space is simply connected is not completely trivial, but I think that's fine to leave to the reader :). If I have time later, I'll post an answer as well.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:12
There are some details missing, notably showing your universal cover is simply connected. A possibly easier approach is to build your covering space out of $X$ instead; this space is homotopy equivalent to $X$, and then getting the fundamental group structure (and even the semidirect action) is easier.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:07
There are some details missing, notably showing your universal cover is simply connected. A possibly easier approach is to build your covering space out of $X$ instead; this space is homotopy equivalent to $X$, and then getting the fundamental group structure (and even the semidirect action) is easier.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:07
@SteveD I would be glad to have this answer improved or have a better answer posted. I am no serious algebraic topologist, so this is the best I could come up with. :)
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 16:09
@SteveD I would be glad to have this answer improved or have a better answer posted. I am no serious algebraic topologist, so this is the best I could come up with. :)
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 16:09
No your approach is perfect! I was simply mentioning that the group structure falls out a bit better if you don't pass to the universal cover first. Showing the space is simply connected is not completely trivial, but I think that's fine to leave to the reader :). If I have time later, I'll post an answer as well.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:12
No your approach is perfect! I was simply mentioning that the group structure falls out a bit better if you don't pass to the universal cover first. Showing the space is simply connected is not completely trivial, but I think that's fine to leave to the reader :). If I have time later, I'll post an answer as well.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 16:12
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Your idea is sound, but the map you wrote down is not a covering map (at least it's not obviously one to me).
The space you're talking about is the mapping torus, and we can cover it with something called the mapping telescope.
Let $Y_mathbbZ=sqcup (Xtimes[n,n+1])$, and let $widehatY$ be the quotient space of $Y_mathbbZ$ identifying $(x,n+1)$ and $(f(x),n+1)$, where the former is a right endpoint, and the latter a left endpoint. We can further write $widehatY_m$ as the image of $le m$ in $widehatY$.
Now $widehatY$ is a covering space of your $Y$, with covering map $rho([x,n])=[x,npmod1]$. The sheets of this covering look like
$$ rho^-1([x,t])=[f^m(x),t+m]mid minmathbbZ$$
Now the deck transformations act on $widehatY$ via $p_m([x,n])=[f^m(x),n+m]$. Since this action is transitive on fibers, $rho_*pi_1(widehatY)$ is a normal subgroup of $pi_1(Y)$, and we also have $pi_1(Y)/rho_*pi_1(widehatY)congmathbbZ$, with $mathbbZ$ corresponding to those deck transformations. Since $mathbbZ$ is a free group, we actually have a split extension
$$ pi_1(Y)congpi_1(widehatY)rtimesmathbbZ$$
Finally, we have $pi_1(widehatY)congpi_1(X)$. That follows by describing an explicit homotopy equivalence between $X$ and $widehatY_m$ [for any $m$], and then reasoning via compactness that any map $alpha:S^1rightarrowwidehatY$ ends up in some $widehatY_m$. Note that we can actually describe the semidirect action as well, since we have the deck transformations above that generate the $mathbbZ$ factor. Namely, for $[alpha]inpi_1(X)$ and $minmathbbZ$, the action is given by
$$ [alpha]^(m)=[f^m(alpha)]$$
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Your idea is sound, but the map you wrote down is not a covering map (at least it's not obviously one to me).
The space you're talking about is the mapping torus, and we can cover it with something called the mapping telescope.
Let $Y_mathbbZ=sqcup (Xtimes[n,n+1])$, and let $widehatY$ be the quotient space of $Y_mathbbZ$ identifying $(x,n+1)$ and $(f(x),n+1)$, where the former is a right endpoint, and the latter a left endpoint. We can further write $widehatY_m$ as the image of $le m$ in $widehatY$.
Now $widehatY$ is a covering space of your $Y$, with covering map $rho([x,n])=[x,npmod1]$. The sheets of this covering look like
$$ rho^-1([x,t])=[f^m(x),t+m]mid minmathbbZ$$
Now the deck transformations act on $widehatY$ via $p_m([x,n])=[f^m(x),n+m]$. Since this action is transitive on fibers, $rho_*pi_1(widehatY)$ is a normal subgroup of $pi_1(Y)$, and we also have $pi_1(Y)/rho_*pi_1(widehatY)congmathbbZ$, with $mathbbZ$ corresponding to those deck transformations. Since $mathbbZ$ is a free group, we actually have a split extension
$$ pi_1(Y)congpi_1(widehatY)rtimesmathbbZ$$
Finally, we have $pi_1(widehatY)congpi_1(X)$. That follows by describing an explicit homotopy equivalence between $X$ and $widehatY_m$ [for any $m$], and then reasoning via compactness that any map $alpha:S^1rightarrowwidehatY$ ends up in some $widehatY_m$. Note that we can actually describe the semidirect action as well, since we have the deck transformations above that generate the $mathbbZ$ factor. Namely, for $[alpha]inpi_1(X)$ and $minmathbbZ$, the action is given by
$$ [alpha]^(m)=[f^m(alpha)]$$
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Your idea is sound, but the map you wrote down is not a covering map (at least it's not obviously one to me).
The space you're talking about is the mapping torus, and we can cover it with something called the mapping telescope.
Let $Y_mathbbZ=sqcup (Xtimes[n,n+1])$, and let $widehatY$ be the quotient space of $Y_mathbbZ$ identifying $(x,n+1)$ and $(f(x),n+1)$, where the former is a right endpoint, and the latter a left endpoint. We can further write $widehatY_m$ as the image of $le m$ in $widehatY$.
Now $widehatY$ is a covering space of your $Y$, with covering map $rho([x,n])=[x,npmod1]$. The sheets of this covering look like
$$ rho^-1([x,t])=[f^m(x),t+m]mid minmathbbZ$$
Now the deck transformations act on $widehatY$ via $p_m([x,n])=[f^m(x),n+m]$. Since this action is transitive on fibers, $rho_*pi_1(widehatY)$ is a normal subgroup of $pi_1(Y)$, and we also have $pi_1(Y)/rho_*pi_1(widehatY)congmathbbZ$, with $mathbbZ$ corresponding to those deck transformations. Since $mathbbZ$ is a free group, we actually have a split extension
$$ pi_1(Y)congpi_1(widehatY)rtimesmathbbZ$$
Finally, we have $pi_1(widehatY)congpi_1(X)$. That follows by describing an explicit homotopy equivalence between $X$ and $widehatY_m$ [for any $m$], and then reasoning via compactness that any map $alpha:S^1rightarrowwidehatY$ ends up in some $widehatY_m$. Note that we can actually describe the semidirect action as well, since we have the deck transformations above that generate the $mathbbZ$ factor. Namely, for $[alpha]inpi_1(X)$ and $minmathbbZ$, the action is given by
$$ [alpha]^(m)=[f^m(alpha)]$$
Your idea is sound, but the map you wrote down is not a covering map (at least it's not obviously one to me).
The space you're talking about is the mapping torus, and we can cover it with something called the mapping telescope.
Let $Y_mathbbZ=sqcup (Xtimes[n,n+1])$, and let $widehatY$ be the quotient space of $Y_mathbbZ$ identifying $(x,n+1)$ and $(f(x),n+1)$, where the former is a right endpoint, and the latter a left endpoint. We can further write $widehatY_m$ as the image of $le m$ in $widehatY$.
Now $widehatY$ is a covering space of your $Y$, with covering map $rho([x,n])=[x,npmod1]$. The sheets of this covering look like
$$ rho^-1([x,t])=[f^m(x),t+m]mid minmathbbZ$$
Now the deck transformations act on $widehatY$ via $p_m([x,n])=[f^m(x),n+m]$. Since this action is transitive on fibers, $rho_*pi_1(widehatY)$ is a normal subgroup of $pi_1(Y)$, and we also have $pi_1(Y)/rho_*pi_1(widehatY)congmathbbZ$, with $mathbbZ$ corresponding to those deck transformations. Since $mathbbZ$ is a free group, we actually have a split extension
$$ pi_1(Y)congpi_1(widehatY)rtimesmathbbZ$$
Finally, we have $pi_1(widehatY)congpi_1(X)$. That follows by describing an explicit homotopy equivalence between $X$ and $widehatY_m$ [for any $m$], and then reasoning via compactness that any map $alpha:S^1rightarrowwidehatY$ ends up in some $widehatY_m$. Note that we can actually describe the semidirect action as well, since we have the deck transformations above that generate the $mathbbZ$ factor. Namely, for $[alpha]inpi_1(X)$ and $minmathbbZ$, the action is given by
$$ [alpha]^(m)=[f^m(alpha)]$$
answered Sep 2 at 17:23
Steve D
2,7302622
2,7302622
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Someone suggested to me the following alternative approach. Pick a basepoint $astin X$ and consider the covering map $g : Yto S^1$ that sends $[x,t]$ to $exp(2 pi i t)$. This induces a map $g_*:pi_1(Y) to pi_1(S^1) = mathbb Z$. By picking a loop from the $ast$ to $f(ast)$, you can construct a splitting for $g_*$. This means that $pi_1(Y)$ is the semidirect product of $mathbb Z$ with the kernel of $g_*$, so it suffices to show that $ker g_*$ is $pi_1(X)$. The fibre of $g$ at the basepoint of $S^1$ is equal to the space obtained by glueing $X$ to $X$ along $f$, and since $f$ is an homeomorphism, this is just $X$. Since $pi_2(S^1)=0$, you obtain from the LES of a fibration what you wanted, a (split) exact sequence
$$0to pi_1(X) to pi_1(Y)to mathbb Zto 0.$$
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Someone suggested to me the following alternative approach. Pick a basepoint $astin X$ and consider the covering map $g : Yto S^1$ that sends $[x,t]$ to $exp(2 pi i t)$. This induces a map $g_*:pi_1(Y) to pi_1(S^1) = mathbb Z$. By picking a loop from the $ast$ to $f(ast)$, you can construct a splitting for $g_*$. This means that $pi_1(Y)$ is the semidirect product of $mathbb Z$ with the kernel of $g_*$, so it suffices to show that $ker g_*$ is $pi_1(X)$. The fibre of $g$ at the basepoint of $S^1$ is equal to the space obtained by glueing $X$ to $X$ along $f$, and since $f$ is an homeomorphism, this is just $X$. Since $pi_2(S^1)=0$, you obtain from the LES of a fibration what you wanted, a (split) exact sequence
$$0to pi_1(X) to pi_1(Y)to mathbb Zto 0.$$
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Someone suggested to me the following alternative approach. Pick a basepoint $astin X$ and consider the covering map $g : Yto S^1$ that sends $[x,t]$ to $exp(2 pi i t)$. This induces a map $g_*:pi_1(Y) to pi_1(S^1) = mathbb Z$. By picking a loop from the $ast$ to $f(ast)$, you can construct a splitting for $g_*$. This means that $pi_1(Y)$ is the semidirect product of $mathbb Z$ with the kernel of $g_*$, so it suffices to show that $ker g_*$ is $pi_1(X)$. The fibre of $g$ at the basepoint of $S^1$ is equal to the space obtained by glueing $X$ to $X$ along $f$, and since $f$ is an homeomorphism, this is just $X$. Since $pi_2(S^1)=0$, you obtain from the LES of a fibration what you wanted, a (split) exact sequence
$$0to pi_1(X) to pi_1(Y)to mathbb Zto 0.$$
Someone suggested to me the following alternative approach. Pick a basepoint $astin X$ and consider the covering map $g : Yto S^1$ that sends $[x,t]$ to $exp(2 pi i t)$. This induces a map $g_*:pi_1(Y) to pi_1(S^1) = mathbb Z$. By picking a loop from the $ast$ to $f(ast)$, you can construct a splitting for $g_*$. This means that $pi_1(Y)$ is the semidirect product of $mathbb Z$ with the kernel of $g_*$, so it suffices to show that $ker g_*$ is $pi_1(X)$. The fibre of $g$ at the basepoint of $S^1$ is equal to the space obtained by glueing $X$ to $X$ along $f$, and since $f$ is an homeomorphism, this is just $X$. Since $pi_2(S^1)=0$, you obtain from the LES of a fibration what you wanted, a (split) exact sequence
$$0to pi_1(X) to pi_1(Y)to mathbb Zto 0.$$
answered Sep 2 at 17:55
Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
94.4k10144293
94.4k10144293
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f2902621%2ffundamental-group-of-a-quotient-of-a-cylinder%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Please provide a proof that the map you wrote is a covering map.
â Steve D
Sep 2 at 13:11
It is not clear to me even why $pi$ is continuous.
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Sep 2 at 14:59