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All bases for a given vector space V, number of elements in each basis is unique.



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  • It's in all the linear algebra textbooks...
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
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  • @LordSharktheUnknown I don't want the full proof. Just seeing the answer is not fun at all
    – Daschin
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:51










  • Here's my hint then: Gaussian elimination.
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
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  • The proof given in Gallian's book Contemporary Abstract Algebra proceeds by contradicton.
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All bases for a given vector space V, number of elements in each basis is unique.



Any hint for proving this simple claim?










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  • It's in all the linear algebra textbooks...
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
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  • @LordSharktheUnknown I don't want the full proof. Just seeing the answer is not fun at all
    – Daschin
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:51










  • Here's my hint then: Gaussian elimination.
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:52










  • The proof given in Gallian's book Contemporary Abstract Algebra proceeds by contradicton.
    – Sean Roberson
    Jun 3 '17 at 15:00












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All bases for a given vector space V, number of elements in each basis is unique.



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  • It's in all the linear algebra textbooks...
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:30










  • @LordSharktheUnknown I don't want the full proof. Just seeing the answer is not fun at all
    – Daschin
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:51










  • Here's my hint then: Gaussian elimination.
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:52










  • The proof given in Gallian's book Contemporary Abstract Algebra proceeds by contradicton.
    – Sean Roberson
    Jun 3 '17 at 15:00
















  • It's in all the linear algebra textbooks...
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:30










  • @LordSharktheUnknown I don't want the full proof. Just seeing the answer is not fun at all
    – Daschin
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:51










  • Here's my hint then: Gaussian elimination.
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Jun 3 '17 at 13:52










  • The proof given in Gallian's book Contemporary Abstract Algebra proceeds by contradicton.
    – Sean Roberson
    Jun 3 '17 at 15:00















It's in all the linear algebra textbooks...
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jun 3 '17 at 13:30




It's in all the linear algebra textbooks...
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jun 3 '17 at 13:30












@LordSharktheUnknown I don't want the full proof. Just seeing the answer is not fun at all
– Daschin
Jun 3 '17 at 13:51




@LordSharktheUnknown I don't want the full proof. Just seeing the answer is not fun at all
– Daschin
Jun 3 '17 at 13:51












Here's my hint then: Gaussian elimination.
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jun 3 '17 at 13:52




Here's my hint then: Gaussian elimination.
– Lord Shark the Unknown
Jun 3 '17 at 13:52












The proof given in Gallian's book Contemporary Abstract Algebra proceeds by contradicton.
– Sean Roberson
Jun 3 '17 at 15:00




The proof given in Gallian's book Contemporary Abstract Algebra proceeds by contradicton.
– Sean Roberson
Jun 3 '17 at 15:00










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Well, the proof is easy. We will prove it by contradiction.



Given statement: "All bases for a vector space V, the number of elements in each basis is unique."



Note: I take this statement as "Given a vector space V, then all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements". This is because the second part of the statement does not make really some sense.



So, the given statement to prove is, "All bases in a vector space V, have the same number of elements".



Let us assume that the statement is false. Therefore, consider two bases of a vector space V, say, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ where, $m neq n$.



We will exploit the fact that all the vectors in a basis for a vector space are linearly independent and also span the vector space. Also, we have a result that if for a vector space with n - vectors in the basis, any set of m vectors such that $m > n$ is linearly independent.



So, we have two sets: $S_1 = leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $S_2 = leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ in which we claim that $m neq n$ and both are bases for the vector space.



First, consider set $S_1$ to be the basis for the vector space and let $S_2$ be a set of m - linearly independent vectors (since we claim that they are basis vectors, they must be linearly independent). Therefore, we know that $m leq n$.



Similarly, if we take the set $S_2$ to be a set of basis vectors and the set $S_1$ to be a set of n - linearly independent vectors, then we have $n leq m$.



Thus, from these two statements, we have $n leq m$ and $m leq n$. This is true only if $n = m$.



Thus, all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements.






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    For finite-dimensional spaces, one can argue as follows: Let $(v_1, ldots, v_n)$ be a basis of $V$. Then we can write the identity map on $V$ as $operatornameId = v_1^* otimes v_1 + cdots + v_n^* otimes v_n$, so
    $$
    operatornametr(operatornameId) = n,
    $$
    which is the number of elements in the basis. But the trace of the identity map (or any map) is independent of the basis chosen, so all bases have the same number of elements.






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      Well, the proof is easy. We will prove it by contradiction.



      Given statement: "All bases for a vector space V, the number of elements in each basis is unique."



      Note: I take this statement as "Given a vector space V, then all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements". This is because the second part of the statement does not make really some sense.



      So, the given statement to prove is, "All bases in a vector space V, have the same number of elements".



      Let us assume that the statement is false. Therefore, consider two bases of a vector space V, say, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ where, $m neq n$.



      We will exploit the fact that all the vectors in a basis for a vector space are linearly independent and also span the vector space. Also, we have a result that if for a vector space with n - vectors in the basis, any set of m vectors such that $m > n$ is linearly independent.



      So, we have two sets: $S_1 = leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $S_2 = leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ in which we claim that $m neq n$ and both are bases for the vector space.



      First, consider set $S_1$ to be the basis for the vector space and let $S_2$ be a set of m - linearly independent vectors (since we claim that they are basis vectors, they must be linearly independent). Therefore, we know that $m leq n$.



      Similarly, if we take the set $S_2$ to be a set of basis vectors and the set $S_1$ to be a set of n - linearly independent vectors, then we have $n leq m$.



      Thus, from these two statements, we have $n leq m$ and $m leq n$. This is true only if $n = m$.



      Thus, all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements.






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        Well, the proof is easy. We will prove it by contradiction.



        Given statement: "All bases for a vector space V, the number of elements in each basis is unique."



        Note: I take this statement as "Given a vector space V, then all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements". This is because the second part of the statement does not make really some sense.



        So, the given statement to prove is, "All bases in a vector space V, have the same number of elements".



        Let us assume that the statement is false. Therefore, consider two bases of a vector space V, say, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ where, $m neq n$.



        We will exploit the fact that all the vectors in a basis for a vector space are linearly independent and also span the vector space. Also, we have a result that if for a vector space with n - vectors in the basis, any set of m vectors such that $m > n$ is linearly independent.



        So, we have two sets: $S_1 = leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $S_2 = leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ in which we claim that $m neq n$ and both are bases for the vector space.



        First, consider set $S_1$ to be the basis for the vector space and let $S_2$ be a set of m - linearly independent vectors (since we claim that they are basis vectors, they must be linearly independent). Therefore, we know that $m leq n$.



        Similarly, if we take the set $S_2$ to be a set of basis vectors and the set $S_1$ to be a set of n - linearly independent vectors, then we have $n leq m$.



        Thus, from these two statements, we have $n leq m$ and $m leq n$. This is true only if $n = m$.



        Thus, all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements.






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          Well, the proof is easy. We will prove it by contradiction.



          Given statement: "All bases for a vector space V, the number of elements in each basis is unique."



          Note: I take this statement as "Given a vector space V, then all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements". This is because the second part of the statement does not make really some sense.



          So, the given statement to prove is, "All bases in a vector space V, have the same number of elements".



          Let us assume that the statement is false. Therefore, consider two bases of a vector space V, say, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ where, $m neq n$.



          We will exploit the fact that all the vectors in a basis for a vector space are linearly independent and also span the vector space. Also, we have a result that if for a vector space with n - vectors in the basis, any set of m vectors such that $m > n$ is linearly independent.



          So, we have two sets: $S_1 = leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $S_2 = leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ in which we claim that $m neq n$ and both are bases for the vector space.



          First, consider set $S_1$ to be the basis for the vector space and let $S_2$ be a set of m - linearly independent vectors (since we claim that they are basis vectors, they must be linearly independent). Therefore, we know that $m leq n$.



          Similarly, if we take the set $S_2$ to be a set of basis vectors and the set $S_1$ to be a set of n - linearly independent vectors, then we have $n leq m$.



          Thus, from these two statements, we have $n leq m$ and $m leq n$. This is true only if $n = m$.



          Thus, all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements.






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          Well, the proof is easy. We will prove it by contradiction.



          Given statement: "All bases for a vector space V, the number of elements in each basis is unique."



          Note: I take this statement as "Given a vector space V, then all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements". This is because the second part of the statement does not make really some sense.



          So, the given statement to prove is, "All bases in a vector space V, have the same number of elements".



          Let us assume that the statement is false. Therefore, consider two bases of a vector space V, say, $leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ where, $m neq n$.



          We will exploit the fact that all the vectors in a basis for a vector space are linearly independent and also span the vector space. Also, we have a result that if for a vector space with n - vectors in the basis, any set of m vectors such that $m > n$ is linearly independent.



          So, we have two sets: $S_1 = leftlbrace v_1, v_2, ..., v_n rightrbrace$ and $S_2 = leftlbrace w_1, w_2, ..., w_m rightrbrace$ in which we claim that $m neq n$ and both are bases for the vector space.



          First, consider set $S_1$ to be the basis for the vector space and let $S_2$ be a set of m - linearly independent vectors (since we claim that they are basis vectors, they must be linearly independent). Therefore, we know that $m leq n$.



          Similarly, if we take the set $S_2$ to be a set of basis vectors and the set $S_1$ to be a set of n - linearly independent vectors, then we have $n leq m$.



          Thus, from these two statements, we have $n leq m$ and $m leq n$. This is true only if $n = m$.



          Thus, all the bases of the vector space have the same number of elements.







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              For finite-dimensional spaces, one can argue as follows: Let $(v_1, ldots, v_n)$ be a basis of $V$. Then we can write the identity map on $V$ as $operatornameId = v_1^* otimes v_1 + cdots + v_n^* otimes v_n$, so
              $$
              operatornametr(operatornameId) = n,
              $$
              which is the number of elements in the basis. But the trace of the identity map (or any map) is independent of the basis chosen, so all bases have the same number of elements.






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                For finite-dimensional spaces, one can argue as follows: Let $(v_1, ldots, v_n)$ be a basis of $V$. Then we can write the identity map on $V$ as $operatornameId = v_1^* otimes v_1 + cdots + v_n^* otimes v_n$, so
                $$
                operatornametr(operatornameId) = n,
                $$
                which is the number of elements in the basis. But the trace of the identity map (or any map) is independent of the basis chosen, so all bases have the same number of elements.






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                  For finite-dimensional spaces, one can argue as follows: Let $(v_1, ldots, v_n)$ be a basis of $V$. Then we can write the identity map on $V$ as $operatornameId = v_1^* otimes v_1 + cdots + v_n^* otimes v_n$, so
                  $$
                  operatornametr(operatornameId) = n,
                  $$
                  which is the number of elements in the basis. But the trace of the identity map (or any map) is independent of the basis chosen, so all bases have the same number of elements.






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                  For finite-dimensional spaces, one can argue as follows: Let $(v_1, ldots, v_n)$ be a basis of $V$. Then we can write the identity map on $V$ as $operatornameId = v_1^* otimes v_1 + cdots + v_n^* otimes v_n$, so
                  $$
                  operatornametr(operatornameId) = n,
                  $$
                  which is the number of elements in the basis. But the trace of the identity map (or any map) is independent of the basis chosen, so all bases have the same number of elements.







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