verify logical equivalence without truth table
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$(pland q)rightarrow r$ and $(prightarrow r)lor (qrightarrow r)$
Have to try prove if they are logically equivalent or not using the laws listed below and also if need to use negation and implication laws. I was going to use associative law and then distributive but I wasn't sure how to get rid of the "implies"
Commutative laws: p ⧠q ⡠q ⧠p
p ⨠q ⡠q ⨠p
De MorganâÂÂs laws: â¼(p ⧠q) â¡ â¼p ⨠â¼q
â¼(p ⨠q) â¡ â¼p ⧠â¼q
Idempotent laws: p ⧠p ⡠p
p ⨠p ⡠p
Associative laws: (p ⧠q) ⧠r ⡠p ⧠(q ⧠r)
(p ⨠q) ⨠r ⡠p ⨠(q ⨠r)
Distributive laws: p ⧠(q ⨠r) ⡠(p ⧠q) ⨠(p ⧠r)
p ⨠(q ⧠r) ⡠(p ⨠q) ⧠(p ⨠r)
logic propositional-calculus
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$(pland q)rightarrow r$ and $(prightarrow r)lor (qrightarrow r)$
Have to try prove if they are logically equivalent or not using the laws listed below and also if need to use negation and implication laws. I was going to use associative law and then distributive but I wasn't sure how to get rid of the "implies"
Commutative laws: p ⧠q ⡠q ⧠p
p ⨠q ⡠q ⨠p
De MorganâÂÂs laws: â¼(p ⧠q) â¡ â¼p ⨠â¼q
â¼(p ⨠q) â¡ â¼p ⧠â¼q
Idempotent laws: p ⧠p ⡠p
p ⨠p ⡠p
Associative laws: (p ⧠q) ⧠r ⡠p ⧠(q ⧠r)
(p ⨠q) ⨠r ⡠p ⨠(q ⨠r)
Distributive laws: p ⧠(q ⨠r) ⡠(p ⧠q) ⨠(p ⧠r)
p ⨠(q ⧠r) ⡠(p ⨠q) ⧠(p ⨠r)
logic propositional-calculus
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Those two statements are not equivalent! Did you maybe mean $(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$?
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 1:59
how would i prove they are not equivalent ?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:01
Im trying to prove if they are equivalent or not
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:02
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@Phyllotactic Good advice! Always looking to improve the community! Thanks! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:32
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@Phyllotactic Best wishes to you!! Keep up those logic skills! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:55
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$(pland q)rightarrow r$ and $(prightarrow r)lor (qrightarrow r)$
Have to try prove if they are logically equivalent or not using the laws listed below and also if need to use negation and implication laws. I was going to use associative law and then distributive but I wasn't sure how to get rid of the "implies"
Commutative laws: p ⧠q ⡠q ⧠p
p ⨠q ⡠q ⨠p
De MorganâÂÂs laws: â¼(p ⧠q) â¡ â¼p ⨠â¼q
â¼(p ⨠q) â¡ â¼p ⧠â¼q
Idempotent laws: p ⧠p ⡠p
p ⨠p ⡠p
Associative laws: (p ⧠q) ⧠r ⡠p ⧠(q ⧠r)
(p ⨠q) ⨠r ⡠p ⨠(q ⨠r)
Distributive laws: p ⧠(q ⨠r) ⡠(p ⧠q) ⨠(p ⧠r)
p ⨠(q ⧠r) ⡠(p ⨠q) ⧠(p ⨠r)
logic propositional-calculus
$(pland q)rightarrow r$ and $(prightarrow r)lor (qrightarrow r)$
Have to try prove if they are logically equivalent or not using the laws listed below and also if need to use negation and implication laws. I was going to use associative law and then distributive but I wasn't sure how to get rid of the "implies"
Commutative laws: p ⧠q ⡠q ⧠p
p ⨠q ⡠q ⨠p
De MorganâÂÂs laws: â¼(p ⧠q) â¡ â¼p ⨠â¼q
â¼(p ⨠q) â¡ â¼p ⧠â¼q
Idempotent laws: p ⧠p ⡠p
p ⨠p ⡠p
Associative laws: (p ⧠q) ⧠r ⡠p ⧠(q ⧠r)
(p ⨠q) ⨠r ⡠p ⨠(q ⨠r)
Distributive laws: p ⧠(q ⨠r) ⡠(p ⧠q) ⨠(p ⧠r)
p ⨠(q ⧠r) ⡠(p ⨠q) ⧠(p ⨠r)
logic propositional-calculus
logic propositional-calculus
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Those two statements are not equivalent! Did you maybe mean $(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$?
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 1:59
how would i prove they are not equivalent ?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:01
Im trying to prove if they are equivalent or not
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:02
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@Phyllotactic Good advice! Always looking to improve the community! Thanks! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:32
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@Phyllotactic Best wishes to you!! Keep up those logic skills! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:55
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Those two statements are not equivalent! Did you maybe mean $(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$?
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 1:59
how would i prove they are not equivalent ?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:01
Im trying to prove if they are equivalent or not
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:02
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@Phyllotactic Good advice! Always looking to improve the community! Thanks! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:32
1
@Phyllotactic Best wishes to you!! Keep up those logic skills! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:55
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Those two statements are not equivalent! Did you maybe mean $(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$?
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 1:59
Those two statements are not equivalent! Did you maybe mean $(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$?
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 1:59
how would i prove they are not equivalent ?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:01
how would i prove they are not equivalent ?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:01
Im trying to prove if they are equivalent or not
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:02
Im trying to prove if they are equivalent or not
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:02
1
1
@Phyllotactic Good advice! Always looking to improve the community! Thanks! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:32
@Phyllotactic Good advice! Always looking to improve the community! Thanks! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:32
1
1
@Phyllotactic Best wishes to you!! Keep up those logic skills! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:55
@Phyllotactic Best wishes to you!! Keep up those logic skills! :)
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Mar 22 '17 at 2:55
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With the laws that you provide you will not ba able to prove their equivalence. You need an equivalence involving implications. here is the one that is typically used:
Implication: $p rightarrow q equiv neg p lor q$
Use it as follows:
$(p land q) rightarrow r equiv$ (implication)
$neg (p land q) lor r equiv$ (deMorgan)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor r equiv$ (Idempotence)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor (r lor r) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ( neg q lor (r lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ((neg q lor r) lor r) equiv$ (commutation)
$neg p lor (r lor (neg q lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$(neg p lor r) lor (neg q lor r) equiv$ (implication)
$(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$
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The two statements are not equivalent.
Obviously you cannot use equivalence principles to demonstrate non-equivalence, so let's use a counterexample:
Let $p=True$, $q =False$, and $r=False$
then $(p land q) rightarrow r = (Tland F) rightarrow F = F rightarrow F = T$
But $(p rightarrow r) land (q rightarrow r) = (T rightarrow F) land (F rightarrow F) = Fland T =F$
Sorry the RHS equation should be (p implies r) or ( q implies r )
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:14
Would that change the answer?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:16
@M.Jones Ah! As I expected! Yes, that changes things, as now they are equivalent!
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:26
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You are missing a equivalence:
1. p â q â¡ ìp v q
I find it easier to work on the right side:
(p ⧠q)âÂÂr â¡ (p â r) ⨠(q â r)
Taking only the right side:
(p â r) ⨠(q â r) (Using 1.)
(ìp v r) ⨠(ìq v r) (Commutative laws on the right parentheses)
(ìp v r) ⨠(r v ìq) (Associative laws)
ìp v ((r ⨠r) v ìq) (Idempotent laws)
ìp v ((r) v ìq) (Commutative laws)
ìp v (ìq v r) (Associative laws)
((ìp v ìq) v r) (De Morgan's laws)
ì(p ⧠q) v r (Using 1.)
(p ⧠q) â r
here is a reference for mathjax to help typesetting maths on the site.
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
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With the laws that you provide you will not ba able to prove their equivalence. You need an equivalence involving implications. here is the one that is typically used:
Implication: $p rightarrow q equiv neg p lor q$
Use it as follows:
$(p land q) rightarrow r equiv$ (implication)
$neg (p land q) lor r equiv$ (deMorgan)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor r equiv$ (Idempotence)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor (r lor r) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ( neg q lor (r lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ((neg q lor r) lor r) equiv$ (commutation)
$neg p lor (r lor (neg q lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$(neg p lor r) lor (neg q lor r) equiv$ (implication)
$(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$
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With the laws that you provide you will not ba able to prove their equivalence. You need an equivalence involving implications. here is the one that is typically used:
Implication: $p rightarrow q equiv neg p lor q$
Use it as follows:
$(p land q) rightarrow r equiv$ (implication)
$neg (p land q) lor r equiv$ (deMorgan)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor r equiv$ (Idempotence)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor (r lor r) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ( neg q lor (r lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ((neg q lor r) lor r) equiv$ (commutation)
$neg p lor (r lor (neg q lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$(neg p lor r) lor (neg q lor r) equiv$ (implication)
$(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$
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up vote
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With the laws that you provide you will not ba able to prove their equivalence. You need an equivalence involving implications. here is the one that is typically used:
Implication: $p rightarrow q equiv neg p lor q$
Use it as follows:
$(p land q) rightarrow r equiv$ (implication)
$neg (p land q) lor r equiv$ (deMorgan)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor r equiv$ (Idempotence)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor (r lor r) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ( neg q lor (r lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ((neg q lor r) lor r) equiv$ (commutation)
$neg p lor (r lor (neg q lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$(neg p lor r) lor (neg q lor r) equiv$ (implication)
$(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$
With the laws that you provide you will not ba able to prove their equivalence. You need an equivalence involving implications. here is the one that is typically used:
Implication: $p rightarrow q equiv neg p lor q$
Use it as follows:
$(p land q) rightarrow r equiv$ (implication)
$neg (p land q) lor r equiv$ (deMorgan)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor r equiv$ (Idempotence)
$(neg p lor neg q) lor (r lor r) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ( neg q lor (r lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$neg p lor ((neg q lor r) lor r) equiv$ (commutation)
$neg p lor (r lor (neg q lor r)) equiv$ (Association)
$(neg p lor r) lor (neg q lor r) equiv$ (implication)
$(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$
answered Mar 22 '17 at 2:23
Bram28
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The two statements are not equivalent.
Obviously you cannot use equivalence principles to demonstrate non-equivalence, so let's use a counterexample:
Let $p=True$, $q =False$, and $r=False$
then $(p land q) rightarrow r = (Tland F) rightarrow F = F rightarrow F = T$
But $(p rightarrow r) land (q rightarrow r) = (T rightarrow F) land (F rightarrow F) = Fland T =F$
Sorry the RHS equation should be (p implies r) or ( q implies r )
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:14
Would that change the answer?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:16
@M.Jones Ah! As I expected! Yes, that changes things, as now they are equivalent!
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:26
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up vote
1
down vote
The two statements are not equivalent.
Obviously you cannot use equivalence principles to demonstrate non-equivalence, so let's use a counterexample:
Let $p=True$, $q =False$, and $r=False$
then $(p land q) rightarrow r = (Tland F) rightarrow F = F rightarrow F = T$
But $(p rightarrow r) land (q rightarrow r) = (T rightarrow F) land (F rightarrow F) = Fland T =F$
Sorry the RHS equation should be (p implies r) or ( q implies r )
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:14
Would that change the answer?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:16
@M.Jones Ah! As I expected! Yes, that changes things, as now they are equivalent!
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:26
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
The two statements are not equivalent.
Obviously you cannot use equivalence principles to demonstrate non-equivalence, so let's use a counterexample:
Let $p=True$, $q =False$, and $r=False$
then $(p land q) rightarrow r = (Tland F) rightarrow F = F rightarrow F = T$
But $(p rightarrow r) land (q rightarrow r) = (T rightarrow F) land (F rightarrow F) = Fland T =F$
The two statements are not equivalent.
Obviously you cannot use equivalence principles to demonstrate non-equivalence, so let's use a counterexample:
Let $p=True$, $q =False$, and $r=False$
then $(p land q) rightarrow r = (Tland F) rightarrow F = F rightarrow F = T$
But $(p rightarrow r) land (q rightarrow r) = (T rightarrow F) land (F rightarrow F) = Fland T =F$
answered Mar 22 '17 at 2:05
Bram28
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Sorry the RHS equation should be (p implies r) or ( q implies r )
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:14
Would that change the answer?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:16
@M.Jones Ah! As I expected! Yes, that changes things, as now they are equivalent!
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:26
add a comment |Â
Sorry the RHS equation should be (p implies r) or ( q implies r )
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:14
Would that change the answer?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:16
@M.Jones Ah! As I expected! Yes, that changes things, as now they are equivalent!
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:26
Sorry the RHS equation should be (p implies r) or ( q implies r )
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:14
Sorry the RHS equation should be (p implies r) or ( q implies r )
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:14
Would that change the answer?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:16
Would that change the answer?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:16
@M.Jones Ah! As I expected! Yes, that changes things, as now they are equivalent!
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:26
@M.Jones Ah! As I expected! Yes, that changes things, as now they are equivalent!
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:26
add a comment |Â
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You are missing a equivalence:
1. p â q â¡ ìp v q
I find it easier to work on the right side:
(p ⧠q)âÂÂr â¡ (p â r) ⨠(q â r)
Taking only the right side:
(p â r) ⨠(q â r) (Using 1.)
(ìp v r) ⨠(ìq v r) (Commutative laws on the right parentheses)
(ìp v r) ⨠(r v ìq) (Associative laws)
ìp v ((r ⨠r) v ìq) (Idempotent laws)
ìp v ((r) v ìq) (Commutative laws)
ìp v (ìq v r) (Associative laws)
((ìp v ìq) v r) (De Morgan's laws)
ì(p ⧠q) v r (Using 1.)
(p ⧠q) â r
here is a reference for mathjax to help typesetting maths on the site.
â Siong Thye Goh
Sep 7 at 3:27
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You are missing a equivalence:
1. p â q â¡ ìp v q
I find it easier to work on the right side:
(p ⧠q)âÂÂr â¡ (p â r) ⨠(q â r)
Taking only the right side:
(p â r) ⨠(q â r) (Using 1.)
(ìp v r) ⨠(ìq v r) (Commutative laws on the right parentheses)
(ìp v r) ⨠(r v ìq) (Associative laws)
ìp v ((r ⨠r) v ìq) (Idempotent laws)
ìp v ((r) v ìq) (Commutative laws)
ìp v (ìq v r) (Associative laws)
((ìp v ìq) v r) (De Morgan's laws)
ì(p ⧠q) v r (Using 1.)
(p ⧠q) â r
here is a reference for mathjax to help typesetting maths on the site.
â Siong Thye Goh
Sep 7 at 3:27
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You are missing a equivalence:
1. p â q â¡ ìp v q
I find it easier to work on the right side:
(p ⧠q)âÂÂr â¡ (p â r) ⨠(q â r)
Taking only the right side:
(p â r) ⨠(q â r) (Using 1.)
(ìp v r) ⨠(ìq v r) (Commutative laws on the right parentheses)
(ìp v r) ⨠(r v ìq) (Associative laws)
ìp v ((r ⨠r) v ìq) (Idempotent laws)
ìp v ((r) v ìq) (Commutative laws)
ìp v (ìq v r) (Associative laws)
((ìp v ìq) v r) (De Morgan's laws)
ì(p ⧠q) v r (Using 1.)
(p ⧠q) â r
You are missing a equivalence:
1. p â q â¡ ìp v q
I find it easier to work on the right side:
(p ⧠q)âÂÂr â¡ (p â r) ⨠(q â r)
Taking only the right side:
(p â r) ⨠(q â r) (Using 1.)
(ìp v r) ⨠(ìq v r) (Commutative laws on the right parentheses)
(ìp v r) ⨠(r v ìq) (Associative laws)
ìp v ((r ⨠r) v ìq) (Idempotent laws)
ìp v ((r) v ìq) (Commutative laws)
ìp v (ìq v r) (Associative laws)
((ìp v ìq) v r) (De Morgan's laws)
ì(p ⧠q) v r (Using 1.)
(p ⧠q) â r
answered Sep 7 at 3:07
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Sep 7 at 3:27
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here is a reference for mathjax to help typesetting maths on the site.
â Siong Thye Goh
Sep 7 at 3:27
here is a reference for mathjax to help typesetting maths on the site.
â Siong Thye Goh
Sep 7 at 3:27
here is a reference for mathjax to help typesetting maths on the site.
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Sep 7 at 3:27
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Those two statements are not equivalent! Did you maybe mean $(p rightarrow r) lor (q rightarrow r)$?
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 1:59
how would i prove they are not equivalent ?
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:01
Im trying to prove if they are equivalent or not
â M.Jones
Mar 22 '17 at 2:02
1
@Phyllotactic Good advice! Always looking to improve the community! Thanks! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:32
1
@Phyllotactic Best wishes to you!! Keep up those logic skills! :)
â Bram28
Mar 22 '17 at 2:55