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The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.



I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.










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    Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
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  • $|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
    – Y.Guo
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  • Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
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The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.



I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.










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  • 2




    Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
    – Ingix
    Sep 7 at 8:09










  • $|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
    – Y.Guo
    Sep 7 at 8:23










  • Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
    – Ivan Neretin
    Sep 7 at 8:26













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The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.



I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.










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The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.



I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.







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    Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
    – Ingix
    Sep 7 at 8:09










  • $|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
    – Y.Guo
    Sep 7 at 8:23










  • Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
    – Ivan Neretin
    Sep 7 at 8:26













  • 2




    Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
    – Ingix
    Sep 7 at 8:09










  • $|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
    – Y.Guo
    Sep 7 at 8:23










  • Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
    – Ivan Neretin
    Sep 7 at 8:26








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Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
– Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09




Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
– Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09












$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
– Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23




$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
– Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23












Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
– Ivan Neretin
Sep 7 at 8:26





Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
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If
$$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
then
$$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.



Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.




I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.



Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
$$a=frac2^k-1x$$
Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.






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  • This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
    – Y.Guo
    Sep 7 at 13:09










  • I added the way in my answer.
    – Fabio Lucchini
    Sep 7 at 13:21

















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Below is a somewhat different approach.




First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.



So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$



Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.



Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
$$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$



We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.



Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.




This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.






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    If
    $$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
    then
    $$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
    hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.



    Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
    Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
    If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.




    I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.



    Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
    $$a=frac2^k-1x$$
    Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.






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    • This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
      – Y.Guo
      Sep 7 at 13:09










    • I added the way in my answer.
      – Fabio Lucchini
      Sep 7 at 13:21














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    If
    $$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
    then
    $$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
    hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.



    Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
    Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
    If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.




    I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.



    Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
    $$a=frac2^k-1x$$
    Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.






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    • This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
      – Y.Guo
      Sep 7 at 13:09










    • I added the way in my answer.
      – Fabio Lucchini
      Sep 7 at 13:21












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    If
    $$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
    then
    $$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
    hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.



    Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
    Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
    If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.




    I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.



    Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
    $$a=frac2^k-1x$$
    Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.






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    If
    $$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
    then
    $$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
    hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.



    Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
    Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
    If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.




    I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.



    Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
    $$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
    Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
    $$a=frac2^k-1x$$
    Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.







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    • This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
      – Y.Guo
      Sep 7 at 13:09










    • I added the way in my answer.
      – Fabio Lucchini
      Sep 7 at 13:21
















    • This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
      – Y.Guo
      Sep 7 at 13:09










    • I added the way in my answer.
      – Fabio Lucchini
      Sep 7 at 13:21















    This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
    – Y.Guo
    Sep 7 at 13:09




    This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
    – Y.Guo
    Sep 7 at 13:09












    I added the way in my answer.
    – Fabio Lucchini
    Sep 7 at 13:21




    I added the way in my answer.
    – Fabio Lucchini
    Sep 7 at 13:21










    up vote
    2
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    Below is a somewhat different approach.




    First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.



    So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$



    Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
    Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.



    Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
    $$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
    where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
    the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$



    We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.



    Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.




    This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.






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      Below is a somewhat different approach.




      First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.



      So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$



      Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
      Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.



      Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
      $$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
      where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
      the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$



      We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.



      Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.




      This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.






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        Below is a somewhat different approach.




        First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.



        So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$



        Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
        Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.



        Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
        $$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
        where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
        the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$



        We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.



        Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.




        This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.






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        Below is a somewhat different approach.




        First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.



        So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$



        Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
        Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.



        Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
        $$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
        where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
        the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$



        We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.



        Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.




        This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.







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