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The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.
I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.
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The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.
I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.
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Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
â Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09
$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23
Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
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The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.
I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.
number-theory
The problem asks to prove:
$$2mathbbZ+1= exists ninmathbbN s.t. .$$
where $d(n)$ is the function that counts the number of positive divisors of $n$.
I see that if the prime factorization of $n=p_1^m_1dots p_k^m_k$, then $d(n)=prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)$, therefore reduce the problem to
$$2mathbbZ+1=exists m_1,dots,m_kinmathbbN , s.t. .$$
But I have no idea how to proceed, please help.
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Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
â Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09
$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23
Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
â Ivan Neretin
Sep 7 at 8:26
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Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
â Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09
$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23
Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
â Ivan Neretin
Sep 7 at 8:26
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Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
â Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09
Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
â Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09
$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23
$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23
Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
â Ivan Neretin
Sep 7 at 8:26
Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
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If
$$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
then
$$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.
Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.
I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.
Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
$$a=frac2^k-1x$$
Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.
This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 13:09
I added the way in my answer.
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Sep 7 at 13:21
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Below is a somewhat different approach.
First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.
So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$
Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.
Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
$$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$
We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.
Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.
This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.
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If
$$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
then
$$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.
Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.
I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.
Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
$$a=frac2^k-1x$$
Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.
This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 13:09
I added the way in my answer.
â Fabio Lucchini
Sep 7 at 13:21
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If
$$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
then
$$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.
Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.
I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.
Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
$$a=frac2^k-1x$$
Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.
This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 13:09
I added the way in my answer.
â Fabio Lucchini
Sep 7 at 13:21
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If
$$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
then
$$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.
Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.
I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.
Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
$$a=frac2^k-1x$$
Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.
If
$$|x|=prod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1tag 1$$
then
$$|x|prod_i=1^k(m_i+1)=prod_i=1^k(2m_i+1)equiv 1pmod 2$$
hence $xnotequiv 0pmod 2$ so that $xequiv 1pmod 2$, that's $x$ is odd.
Conversely, given $x$ an odd integer, we have to show that there exists $m_iinBbb N$ satisfying $(1)$.
Write $|x|=2^kq-1$ with $ninBbb N$ and $2nmid q$ and let $a=2^k-1$.
If $m_i=(a|x|-1)/2^i$ then $m_iinBbb N$ for $1leq ileq k$ and
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
and since $q<|x|$ and $q$ is odd, the assertion follows by induction on $q$.
I get the value $a=2^k-1$ in this manner.
Consider the recurrence $m_i+1=m_i/2$ and impose $2m_1+1=a|x|$ and $m_k+1=aq$ so that
$$|x|=qprod_i=1^kfrac2m_i+1m_i+1$$
Then $m_1=2^k-1m_k$ from which we get
$$a=frac2^k-1x$$
Taking $q$ such that $|x|=2^kq-1$ gives $a=2^k-1$.
edited Sep 7 at 13:21
answered Sep 7 at 13:02
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This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 13:09
I added the way in my answer.
â Fabio Lucchini
Sep 7 at 13:21
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This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 13:09
I added the way in my answer.
â Fabio Lucchini
Sep 7 at 13:21
This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 13:09
This argument is clean and beautiful. How do you come up with the $a=2^k-1$ and the equality?
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 13:09
I added the way in my answer.
â Fabio Lucchini
Sep 7 at 13:21
I added the way in my answer.
â Fabio Lucchini
Sep 7 at 13:21
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
Below is a somewhat different approach.
First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.
So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$
Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.
Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
$$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$
We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.
Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.
This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.
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Below is a somewhat different approach.
First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.
So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$
Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.
Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
$$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$
We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.
Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.
This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.
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Below is a somewhat different approach.
First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.
So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$
Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.
Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
$$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$
We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.
Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.
This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.
Below is a somewhat different approach.
First consider, for any integers $a,,b$, we have $a=frac abcdot b$. For $frac ab$ to be of the form $frac2m+1m+1$, we take $b=fraca+12$.
So we are led to consider the sequence $$a_0(a)=a,a_1(a)=fraca_0(a)+12,cdots,a_n+1(a)=fraca_n(a)+12,cdots.$$
Now an easy induction shows that $a_n(a)=fraca+1+2+cdots+2^n-12^n=fraca+2^n-12^n$.
Hence, if $a$ is divisible by $2^n-1$, say $a=(2^n-1)k$, then $a_n(a)=(2^n-1)frack+12^n$.
Then, for any odd number $a$, we have
$$a=frac(2^n-1)a2^n-1=Xcdotfraca_n2^n-1,$$
where $X=prod_i=0^n-1fraca_ia_i+1$, $a_i=a_i((2^n-1)a)$, and
the previous discussion shows that $fraca_n2^n-1=fraca+12^n$
We can choose $n$ to be the greatest $ell$ such that $2^ell$ divides $a+1$. Then $fraca+12^n$ is an odd integer, and we have reduced from $a$ to a smaller odd number $fraca+12^n$, so an induction concludes the proof.
Also, observe that if $a_n$ is an integer, then so is $a_n-1=2a_n-1$. This justifies that $X$ is really of the form we want.
This is a rewrite of the previous version, and appears more intuitive I hope.
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Hint for the easy part: The enumerator of the product only contains odd numbers. Can you say something about $|x|$ that follows from that (assumin $|x|$ is an interger)?
â Ingix
Sep 7 at 8:09
$|x|$ must be an odd number, thus $RHSsubset LHS$.
â Y.Guo
Sep 7 at 8:23
Now you have to prove that $LHSsubset RHS$, too.
â Ivan Neretin
Sep 7 at 8:26