Prove or disprove $sqrt[3]frac(ab+bc+ac)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9gesqrt[4]frac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$

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Let $a,b,c>0$ prove or disprove
$$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9gesqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$



since
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge 3(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+a^2c^2)tag1$$



other
$$(a+b+c)^2le 3(a^2+b^2+c^2)tag2$$
Because of the inequality sign in a different direction so we can't $(1)times (2)$










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    A little bit of context and your own attempt at solution would be welcome
    – Yuriy S
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:25










  • It looks to hold. A good way to prove it may be to exploit some combination of Schur's and Newton-MacLaurin's inequalities.
    – Jack D'Aurizio♦
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:31










  • The inequality is homogenous, so you can assume any one of a+b+c=k, ab+bc+ca=k, abc=k, for arbitrary positive values of k.
    – Jack Lam
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:37











  • @MichaelRozenberg,it's different problem
    – geromty
    Oct 7 '16 at 13:58










  • Can you correct he title? You seem to have a different problem there.
    – Macavity
    Oct 7 '16 at 18:32














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Let $a,b,c>0$ prove or disprove
$$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9gesqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$



since
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge 3(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+a^2c^2)tag1$$



other
$$(a+b+c)^2le 3(a^2+b^2+c^2)tag2$$
Because of the inequality sign in a different direction so we can't $(1)times (2)$










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  • 1




    A little bit of context and your own attempt at solution would be welcome
    – Yuriy S
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:25










  • It looks to hold. A good way to prove it may be to exploit some combination of Schur's and Newton-MacLaurin's inequalities.
    – Jack D'Aurizio♦
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:31










  • The inequality is homogenous, so you can assume any one of a+b+c=k, ab+bc+ca=k, abc=k, for arbitrary positive values of k.
    – Jack Lam
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:37











  • @MichaelRozenberg,it's different problem
    – geromty
    Oct 7 '16 at 13:58










  • Can you correct he title? You seem to have a different problem there.
    – Macavity
    Oct 7 '16 at 18:32












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Let $a,b,c>0$ prove or disprove
$$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9gesqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$



since
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge 3(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+a^2c^2)tag1$$



other
$$(a+b+c)^2le 3(a^2+b^2+c^2)tag2$$
Because of the inequality sign in a different direction so we can't $(1)times (2)$










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Let $a,b,c>0$ prove or disprove
$$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9gesqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$



since
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge 3(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+a^2c^2)tag1$$



other
$$(a+b+c)^2le 3(a^2+b^2+c^2)tag2$$
Because of the inequality sign in a different direction so we can't $(1)times (2)$







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  • 1




    A little bit of context and your own attempt at solution would be welcome
    – Yuriy S
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:25










  • It looks to hold. A good way to prove it may be to exploit some combination of Schur's and Newton-MacLaurin's inequalities.
    – Jack D'Aurizio♦
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:31










  • The inequality is homogenous, so you can assume any one of a+b+c=k, ab+bc+ca=k, abc=k, for arbitrary positive values of k.
    – Jack Lam
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:37











  • @MichaelRozenberg,it's different problem
    – geromty
    Oct 7 '16 at 13:58










  • Can you correct he title? You seem to have a different problem there.
    – Macavity
    Oct 7 '16 at 18:32












  • 1




    A little bit of context and your own attempt at solution would be welcome
    – Yuriy S
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:25










  • It looks to hold. A good way to prove it may be to exploit some combination of Schur's and Newton-MacLaurin's inequalities.
    – Jack D'Aurizio♦
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:31










  • The inequality is homogenous, so you can assume any one of a+b+c=k, ab+bc+ca=k, abc=k, for arbitrary positive values of k.
    – Jack Lam
    Oct 7 '16 at 10:37











  • @MichaelRozenberg,it's different problem
    – geromty
    Oct 7 '16 at 13:58










  • Can you correct he title? You seem to have a different problem there.
    – Macavity
    Oct 7 '16 at 18:32







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A little bit of context and your own attempt at solution would be welcome
– Yuriy S
Oct 7 '16 at 10:25




A little bit of context and your own attempt at solution would be welcome
– Yuriy S
Oct 7 '16 at 10:25












It looks to hold. A good way to prove it may be to exploit some combination of Schur's and Newton-MacLaurin's inequalities.
– Jack D'Aurizio♦
Oct 7 '16 at 10:31




It looks to hold. A good way to prove it may be to exploit some combination of Schur's and Newton-MacLaurin's inequalities.
– Jack D'Aurizio♦
Oct 7 '16 at 10:31












The inequality is homogenous, so you can assume any one of a+b+c=k, ab+bc+ca=k, abc=k, for arbitrary positive values of k.
– Jack Lam
Oct 7 '16 at 10:37





The inequality is homogenous, so you can assume any one of a+b+c=k, ab+bc+ca=k, abc=k, for arbitrary positive values of k.
– Jack Lam
Oct 7 '16 at 10:37













@MichaelRozenberg,it's different problem
– geromty
Oct 7 '16 at 13:58




@MichaelRozenberg,it's different problem
– geromty
Oct 7 '16 at 13:58












Can you correct he title? You seem to have a different problem there.
– Macavity
Oct 7 '16 at 18:32




Can you correct he title? You seem to have a different problem there.
– Macavity
Oct 7 '16 at 18:32










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After a quick look:
$$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9ge sqrt[3]dfrac(2s+c)(2s^2+c^2)9 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(s^4+2s^2c^2)3 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$
where $s=fraca+b2$ and we assume $c=min(a,b,c)$.



The left inequality follows from $2(a^2+b^2)ge (a+b)^2$.



The right inequality follows from $(s^2-p)(s^2+p-2c^2)ge 0$ where $p=ab$ (note that $s^2ge p ge c^2$).



The middle inequality is, as you may have observed, the original inequality where we set $a=b=s$. Since the inequality is homogeneous, we can set $s=1$, i.e. solving the original inequality when $a=b=1$, which is easy.



This method is called Mixing Variables Method.



You can also try to find an intermediate term like in this solution to get an even nicer solution.






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    Let $a+b+c=3u$, $ab+ac+bc=3v^2$ and $abc=w^3$.



    Hence, we need to prove that
    $$sqrt[3]u(3u^2-2v^2)geqsqrt[4]3v^4-2uw^3$$ or
    $f(w^3)geq0$, where $f$ is an increasing function.



    Thus, it's enough to prove our inequality for a minimal value of $w^3$.



    $a$, $b$ and $c$ are positive roots of the equation $(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)=0$ or



    $x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x=w^3$.



    Hence, a line $y=w^3$ and a graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$ have three common points.



    Thus, $w^3$ gets a minimal value, when a line $y=w^3$ is a tangent line



    to the graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$, which happens for equality case of two variables.



    Also we must check the case $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



    Id est, it's enough to prove our inequality in the following cases.



    1. $b=c=1$, which gives

    $$(a-1)^2(a^10+10a^9+51a^8+188a^7+557a^6+1374a^5+983a^4+1616a^3+501a^2+538a+13)geq0$$
    2. $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



    Let $crightarrow0^+$ and $b=1$.



    We obtain $(a^3+a^2+a+1)^4geq243a^6$, which is obvious by AM-GM.



    Done!






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    • Would downvoters also mention why? This looks good+1, though personally I don't find the $u,v,w$ method nice.
      – Macavity
      Oct 7 '16 at 18:08











    • @Macavity Thank you! You are welcome to prove this inequality by another way. By the way, I have another proof, but it's very ugly. I think $uvw$ is a best here.
      – Michael Rozenberg
      Oct 7 '16 at 18:14











    • This answer does not deserve downvotes. +1.
      – Khue
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    After a quick look:
    $$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9ge sqrt[3]dfrac(2s+c)(2s^2+c^2)9 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(s^4+2s^2c^2)3 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$
    where $s=fraca+b2$ and we assume $c=min(a,b,c)$.



    The left inequality follows from $2(a^2+b^2)ge (a+b)^2$.



    The right inequality follows from $(s^2-p)(s^2+p-2c^2)ge 0$ where $p=ab$ (note that $s^2ge p ge c^2$).



    The middle inequality is, as you may have observed, the original inequality where we set $a=b=s$. Since the inequality is homogeneous, we can set $s=1$, i.e. solving the original inequality when $a=b=1$, which is easy.



    This method is called Mixing Variables Method.



    You can also try to find an intermediate term like in this solution to get an even nicer solution.






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      After a quick look:
      $$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9ge sqrt[3]dfrac(2s+c)(2s^2+c^2)9 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(s^4+2s^2c^2)3 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$
      where $s=fraca+b2$ and we assume $c=min(a,b,c)$.



      The left inequality follows from $2(a^2+b^2)ge (a+b)^2$.



      The right inequality follows from $(s^2-p)(s^2+p-2c^2)ge 0$ where $p=ab$ (note that $s^2ge p ge c^2$).



      The middle inequality is, as you may have observed, the original inequality where we set $a=b=s$. Since the inequality is homogeneous, we can set $s=1$, i.e. solving the original inequality when $a=b=1$, which is easy.



      This method is called Mixing Variables Method.



      You can also try to find an intermediate term like in this solution to get an even nicer solution.






      share|cite|improve this answer
























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        After a quick look:
        $$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9ge sqrt[3]dfrac(2s+c)(2s^2+c^2)9 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(s^4+2s^2c^2)3 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$
        where $s=fraca+b2$ and we assume $c=min(a,b,c)$.



        The left inequality follows from $2(a^2+b^2)ge (a+b)^2$.



        The right inequality follows from $(s^2-p)(s^2+p-2c^2)ge 0$ where $p=ab$ (note that $s^2ge p ge c^2$).



        The middle inequality is, as you may have observed, the original inequality where we set $a=b=s$. Since the inequality is homogeneous, we can set $s=1$, i.e. solving the original inequality when $a=b=1$, which is easy.



        This method is called Mixing Variables Method.



        You can also try to find an intermediate term like in this solution to get an even nicer solution.






        share|cite|improve this answer














        After a quick look:
        $$sqrt[3]dfrac(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2)9ge sqrt[3]dfrac(2s+c)(2s^2+c^2)9 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(s^4+2s^2c^2)3 ge sqrt[4]dfrac(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)3$$
        where $s=fraca+b2$ and we assume $c=min(a,b,c)$.



        The left inequality follows from $2(a^2+b^2)ge (a+b)^2$.



        The right inequality follows from $(s^2-p)(s^2+p-2c^2)ge 0$ where $p=ab$ (note that $s^2ge p ge c^2$).



        The middle inequality is, as you may have observed, the original inequality where we set $a=b=s$. Since the inequality is homogeneous, we can set $s=1$, i.e. solving the original inequality when $a=b=1$, which is easy.



        This method is called Mixing Variables Method.



        You can also try to find an intermediate term like in this solution to get an even nicer solution.







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            Let $a+b+c=3u$, $ab+ac+bc=3v^2$ and $abc=w^3$.



            Hence, we need to prove that
            $$sqrt[3]u(3u^2-2v^2)geqsqrt[4]3v^4-2uw^3$$ or
            $f(w^3)geq0$, where $f$ is an increasing function.



            Thus, it's enough to prove our inequality for a minimal value of $w^3$.



            $a$, $b$ and $c$ are positive roots of the equation $(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)=0$ or



            $x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x=w^3$.



            Hence, a line $y=w^3$ and a graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$ have three common points.



            Thus, $w^3$ gets a minimal value, when a line $y=w^3$ is a tangent line



            to the graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$, which happens for equality case of two variables.



            Also we must check the case $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Id est, it's enough to prove our inequality in the following cases.



            1. $b=c=1$, which gives

            $$(a-1)^2(a^10+10a^9+51a^8+188a^7+557a^6+1374a^5+983a^4+1616a^3+501a^2+538a+13)geq0$$
            2. $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Let $crightarrow0^+$ and $b=1$.



            We obtain $(a^3+a^2+a+1)^4geq243a^6$, which is obvious by AM-GM.



            Done!






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            • Would downvoters also mention why? This looks good+1, though personally I don't find the $u,v,w$ method nice.
              – Macavity
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:08











            • @Macavity Thank you! You are welcome to prove this inequality by another way. By the way, I have another proof, but it's very ugly. I think $uvw$ is a best here.
              – Michael Rozenberg
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:14











            • This answer does not deserve downvotes. +1.
              – Khue
              Oct 11 '16 at 14:59














            up vote
            2
            down vote













            Let $a+b+c=3u$, $ab+ac+bc=3v^2$ and $abc=w^3$.



            Hence, we need to prove that
            $$sqrt[3]u(3u^2-2v^2)geqsqrt[4]3v^4-2uw^3$$ or
            $f(w^3)geq0$, where $f$ is an increasing function.



            Thus, it's enough to prove our inequality for a minimal value of $w^3$.



            $a$, $b$ and $c$ are positive roots of the equation $(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)=0$ or



            $x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x=w^3$.



            Hence, a line $y=w^3$ and a graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$ have three common points.



            Thus, $w^3$ gets a minimal value, when a line $y=w^3$ is a tangent line



            to the graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$, which happens for equality case of two variables.



            Also we must check the case $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Id est, it's enough to prove our inequality in the following cases.



            1. $b=c=1$, which gives

            $$(a-1)^2(a^10+10a^9+51a^8+188a^7+557a^6+1374a^5+983a^4+1616a^3+501a^2+538a+13)geq0$$
            2. $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Let $crightarrow0^+$ and $b=1$.



            We obtain $(a^3+a^2+a+1)^4geq243a^6$, which is obvious by AM-GM.



            Done!






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            • Would downvoters also mention why? This looks good+1, though personally I don't find the $u,v,w$ method nice.
              – Macavity
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:08











            • @Macavity Thank you! You are welcome to prove this inequality by another way. By the way, I have another proof, but it's very ugly. I think $uvw$ is a best here.
              – Michael Rozenberg
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:14











            • This answer does not deserve downvotes. +1.
              – Khue
              Oct 11 '16 at 14:59












            up vote
            2
            down vote










            up vote
            2
            down vote









            Let $a+b+c=3u$, $ab+ac+bc=3v^2$ and $abc=w^3$.



            Hence, we need to prove that
            $$sqrt[3]u(3u^2-2v^2)geqsqrt[4]3v^4-2uw^3$$ or
            $f(w^3)geq0$, where $f$ is an increasing function.



            Thus, it's enough to prove our inequality for a minimal value of $w^3$.



            $a$, $b$ and $c$ are positive roots of the equation $(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)=0$ or



            $x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x=w^3$.



            Hence, a line $y=w^3$ and a graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$ have three common points.



            Thus, $w^3$ gets a minimal value, when a line $y=w^3$ is a tangent line



            to the graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$, which happens for equality case of two variables.



            Also we must check the case $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Id est, it's enough to prove our inequality in the following cases.



            1. $b=c=1$, which gives

            $$(a-1)^2(a^10+10a^9+51a^8+188a^7+557a^6+1374a^5+983a^4+1616a^3+501a^2+538a+13)geq0$$
            2. $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Let $crightarrow0^+$ and $b=1$.



            We obtain $(a^3+a^2+a+1)^4geq243a^6$, which is obvious by AM-GM.



            Done!






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            Let $a+b+c=3u$, $ab+ac+bc=3v^2$ and $abc=w^3$.



            Hence, we need to prove that
            $$sqrt[3]u(3u^2-2v^2)geqsqrt[4]3v^4-2uw^3$$ or
            $f(w^3)geq0$, where $f$ is an increasing function.



            Thus, it's enough to prove our inequality for a minimal value of $w^3$.



            $a$, $b$ and $c$ are positive roots of the equation $(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)=0$ or



            $x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x=w^3$.



            Hence, a line $y=w^3$ and a graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$ have three common points.



            Thus, $w^3$ gets a minimal value, when a line $y=w^3$ is a tangent line



            to the graph of $y=x^3-3ux^2+3v^2x$, which happens for equality case of two variables.



            Also we must check the case $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Id est, it's enough to prove our inequality in the following cases.



            1. $b=c=1$, which gives

            $$(a-1)^2(a^10+10a^9+51a^8+188a^7+557a^6+1374a^5+983a^4+1616a^3+501a^2+538a+13)geq0$$
            2. $w^3rightarrow0^+$.



            Let $crightarrow0^+$ and $b=1$.



            We obtain $(a^3+a^2+a+1)^4geq243a^6$, which is obvious by AM-GM.



            Done!







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            answered Oct 7 '16 at 14:17









            Michael Rozenberg

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            • Would downvoters also mention why? This looks good+1, though personally I don't find the $u,v,w$ method nice.
              – Macavity
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:08











            • @Macavity Thank you! You are welcome to prove this inequality by another way. By the way, I have another proof, but it's very ugly. I think $uvw$ is a best here.
              – Michael Rozenberg
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:14











            • This answer does not deserve downvotes. +1.
              – Khue
              Oct 11 '16 at 14:59
















            • Would downvoters also mention why? This looks good+1, though personally I don't find the $u,v,w$ method nice.
              – Macavity
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:08











            • @Macavity Thank you! You are welcome to prove this inequality by another way. By the way, I have another proof, but it's very ugly. I think $uvw$ is a best here.
              – Michael Rozenberg
              Oct 7 '16 at 18:14











            • This answer does not deserve downvotes. +1.
              – Khue
              Oct 11 '16 at 14:59















            Would downvoters also mention why? This looks good+1, though personally I don't find the $u,v,w$ method nice.
            – Macavity
            Oct 7 '16 at 18:08





            Would downvoters also mention why? This looks good+1, though personally I don't find the $u,v,w$ method nice.
            – Macavity
            Oct 7 '16 at 18:08













            @Macavity Thank you! You are welcome to prove this inequality by another way. By the way, I have another proof, but it's very ugly. I think $uvw$ is a best here.
            – Michael Rozenberg
            Oct 7 '16 at 18:14





            @Macavity Thank you! You are welcome to prove this inequality by another way. By the way, I have another proof, but it's very ugly. I think $uvw$ is a best here.
            – Michael Rozenberg
            Oct 7 '16 at 18:14













            This answer does not deserve downvotes. +1.
            – Khue
            Oct 11 '16 at 14:59




            This answer does not deserve downvotes. +1.
            – Khue
            Oct 11 '16 at 14:59

















             

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