Find the coordinates of the points $A$ and $B$ on the lines $l_1$ and $l_2$ respectively such that $vecAB$ is perpendicular to $l_1$ and $l_2$

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The vector $l_1$ is given as
$$
l_1 : mathbfr =
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right); + lambda
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right)
$$
and $l_2$ as
$$
l_2: fracx-4-3=fracy+74=-(z+3)
$$



So far I've gotten an equation for each $(x,y,z)$ of $l_1$ and $l_2$ and then multiplied them to get a scalar product however I'm having issues finding the values of $lambda$ and $nu$ (Cartesian multiplier of $l_2$) through the simultaneous equations of finding the scalar product (when it's equal to $0$).



My approach, at least so far has given,
$$
vecOB = left(beginmatrix
4\
-7\
-3
endmatrixright)+nu
left(beginmatrix
-3\
4\
-1
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
vecAB = vecOB-vecAB
$$
Therefore
$$
vecAB = left(beginmatrix
1\
3\
9
endmatrixright)+
left(beginmatrix
-3nu - 3lambda\
4nu - 2lambda\
-nu + 2lambda
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
x = 1 -3nu - 3 lambda,; y = -3 + 4nu - 2lambda, ; z=-9+nu + 2lambda
$$
Then solving for the two dot products,
$$
vecAB ; cdot ; l_1, ; vecAB ; cdot ; l_2
$$
I get
$$
26nu^2-17lambda^2 = 0
$$
Which I have no idea how to solve. The response was too long for the comment section.










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  • Your method is right. What issue do you find?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:12










  • Couldn't simplify further than having two composite quadratics, perhaps I made an arithmetic mistake but I don't see it after going through many times.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:18











  • There should not be any quadratic terms. Can you show some detail of your steps?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:21










  • @Yuta I have edited my answer.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:50










  • Since $ABperp l_1$ and $ABperp l_2$, dot products should be considered instead.
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:53














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down vote

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The vector $l_1$ is given as
$$
l_1 : mathbfr =
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right); + lambda
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right)
$$
and $l_2$ as
$$
l_2: fracx-4-3=fracy+74=-(z+3)
$$



So far I've gotten an equation for each $(x,y,z)$ of $l_1$ and $l_2$ and then multiplied them to get a scalar product however I'm having issues finding the values of $lambda$ and $nu$ (Cartesian multiplier of $l_2$) through the simultaneous equations of finding the scalar product (when it's equal to $0$).



My approach, at least so far has given,
$$
vecOB = left(beginmatrix
4\
-7\
-3
endmatrixright)+nu
left(beginmatrix
-3\
4\
-1
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
vecAB = vecOB-vecAB
$$
Therefore
$$
vecAB = left(beginmatrix
1\
3\
9
endmatrixright)+
left(beginmatrix
-3nu - 3lambda\
4nu - 2lambda\
-nu + 2lambda
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
x = 1 -3nu - 3 lambda,; y = -3 + 4nu - 2lambda, ; z=-9+nu + 2lambda
$$
Then solving for the two dot products,
$$
vecAB ; cdot ; l_1, ; vecAB ; cdot ; l_2
$$
I get
$$
26nu^2-17lambda^2 = 0
$$
Which I have no idea how to solve. The response was too long for the comment section.










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  • Your method is right. What issue do you find?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:12










  • Couldn't simplify further than having two composite quadratics, perhaps I made an arithmetic mistake but I don't see it after going through many times.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:18











  • There should not be any quadratic terms. Can you show some detail of your steps?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:21










  • @Yuta I have edited my answer.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:50










  • Since $ABperp l_1$ and $ABperp l_2$, dot products should be considered instead.
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:53












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0
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The vector $l_1$ is given as
$$
l_1 : mathbfr =
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right); + lambda
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right)
$$
and $l_2$ as
$$
l_2: fracx-4-3=fracy+74=-(z+3)
$$



So far I've gotten an equation for each $(x,y,z)$ of $l_1$ and $l_2$ and then multiplied them to get a scalar product however I'm having issues finding the values of $lambda$ and $nu$ (Cartesian multiplier of $l_2$) through the simultaneous equations of finding the scalar product (when it's equal to $0$).



My approach, at least so far has given,
$$
vecOB = left(beginmatrix
4\
-7\
-3
endmatrixright)+nu
left(beginmatrix
-3\
4\
-1
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
vecAB = vecOB-vecAB
$$
Therefore
$$
vecAB = left(beginmatrix
1\
3\
9
endmatrixright)+
left(beginmatrix
-3nu - 3lambda\
4nu - 2lambda\
-nu + 2lambda
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
x = 1 -3nu - 3 lambda,; y = -3 + 4nu - 2lambda, ; z=-9+nu + 2lambda
$$
Then solving for the two dot products,
$$
vecAB ; cdot ; l_1, ; vecAB ; cdot ; l_2
$$
I get
$$
26nu^2-17lambda^2 = 0
$$
Which I have no idea how to solve. The response was too long for the comment section.










share|cite|improve this question















The vector $l_1$ is given as
$$
l_1 : mathbfr =
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right); + lambda
left(
beginmatrix
-3\-4\6
endmatrix
right)
$$
and $l_2$ as
$$
l_2: fracx-4-3=fracy+74=-(z+3)
$$



So far I've gotten an equation for each $(x,y,z)$ of $l_1$ and $l_2$ and then multiplied them to get a scalar product however I'm having issues finding the values of $lambda$ and $nu$ (Cartesian multiplier of $l_2$) through the simultaneous equations of finding the scalar product (when it's equal to $0$).



My approach, at least so far has given,
$$
vecOB = left(beginmatrix
4\
-7\
-3
endmatrixright)+nu
left(beginmatrix
-3\
4\
-1
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
vecAB = vecOB-vecAB
$$
Therefore
$$
vecAB = left(beginmatrix
1\
3\
9
endmatrixright)+
left(beginmatrix
-3nu - 3lambda\
4nu - 2lambda\
-nu + 2lambda
endmatrixright)
$$
$$
x = 1 -3nu - 3 lambda,; y = -3 + 4nu - 2lambda, ; z=-9+nu + 2lambda
$$
Then solving for the two dot products,
$$
vecAB ; cdot ; l_1, ; vecAB ; cdot ; l_2
$$
I get
$$
26nu^2-17lambda^2 = 0
$$
Which I have no idea how to solve. The response was too long for the comment section.







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  • Your method is right. What issue do you find?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:12










  • Couldn't simplify further than having two composite quadratics, perhaps I made an arithmetic mistake but I don't see it after going through many times.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:18











  • There should not be any quadratic terms. Can you show some detail of your steps?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:21










  • @Yuta I have edited my answer.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:50










  • Since $ABperp l_1$ and $ABperp l_2$, dot products should be considered instead.
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:53
















  • Your method is right. What issue do you find?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:12










  • Couldn't simplify further than having two composite quadratics, perhaps I made an arithmetic mistake but I don't see it after going through many times.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:18











  • There should not be any quadratic terms. Can you show some detail of your steps?
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:21










  • @Yuta I have edited my answer.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 13:50










  • Since $ABperp l_1$ and $ABperp l_2$, dot products should be considered instead.
    – Yuta
    Sep 9 at 13:53















Your method is right. What issue do you find?
– Yuta
Sep 9 at 13:12




Your method is right. What issue do you find?
– Yuta
Sep 9 at 13:12












Couldn't simplify further than having two composite quadratics, perhaps I made an arithmetic mistake but I don't see it after going through many times.
– John Miller
Sep 9 at 13:18





Couldn't simplify further than having two composite quadratics, perhaps I made an arithmetic mistake but I don't see it after going through many times.
– John Miller
Sep 9 at 13:18













There should not be any quadratic terms. Can you show some detail of your steps?
– Yuta
Sep 9 at 13:21




There should not be any quadratic terms. Can you show some detail of your steps?
– Yuta
Sep 9 at 13:21












@Yuta I have edited my answer.
– John Miller
Sep 9 at 13:50




@Yuta I have edited my answer.
– John Miller
Sep 9 at 13:50












Since $ABperp l_1$ and $ABperp l_2$, dot products should be considered instead.
– Yuta
Sep 9 at 13:53




Since $ABperp l_1$ and $ABperp l_2$, dot products should be considered instead.
– Yuta
Sep 9 at 13:53










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$l_2$ is defined as the intersection of the planes $x-3z=7$ and $y+4z=-19$, with normal vectors $vec n=(1,0,-3)$ and $vec n'=(0,1,4)$ respectively. Therefore, a directing vector of $l_2$ is the cross-product $vec u_2=vec ntimesvec n'$.



Let $vec u_1=(-3,-4,6)$ the given directing vector of $l_1$. A directing vector of the common perpendicular of $l_1$ and $l_2$ is the cross-product
$$vec v=vec u_1timesvec u_2. $$
Thus, to find points $A$ on $l_1$ and $B$ on $l_2$ so that the line $(AB)$ is perpendicular to $l_1$ and $l_2$, we have to find a point $A$ (given by the parametric equation) and $t$ so the point
$$B=A+tvec v= A+t(vec u_1timesvec u_2)$$
satisfies the equations of line $l_2$.






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  • @John Miller: Where did you find 3 equations and 7 variables? You should obtain the two equations which define $l_2$ and two unknowns, $lambda$ and $t$.
    – Bernard
    Sep 9 at 16:22










  • sorry I never wrote it on paper as I was in the car but I have solved the question thank you.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 18:08










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A (slightly) different approach:



$l_2$ is defined as the intersection of the planes $x-3z=7$ and $y+4z=-19$, with normal vectors $vec n=(1,0,-3)$ and $vec n'=(0,1,4)$ respectively. Therefore, a directing vector of $l_2$ is the cross-product $vec u_2=vec ntimesvec n'$.



Let $vec u_1=(-3,-4,6)$ the given directing vector of $l_1$. A directing vector of the common perpendicular of $l_1$ and $l_2$ is the cross-product
$$vec v=vec u_1timesvec u_2. $$
Thus, to find points $A$ on $l_1$ and $B$ on $l_2$ so that the line $(AB)$ is perpendicular to $l_1$ and $l_2$, we have to find a point $A$ (given by the parametric equation) and $t$ so the point
$$B=A+tvec v= A+t(vec u_1timesvec u_2)$$
satisfies the equations of line $l_2$.






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  • @John Miller: Where did you find 3 equations and 7 variables? You should obtain the two equations which define $l_2$ and two unknowns, $lambda$ and $t$.
    – Bernard
    Sep 9 at 16:22










  • sorry I never wrote it on paper as I was in the car but I have solved the question thank you.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 18:08














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A (slightly) different approach:



$l_2$ is defined as the intersection of the planes $x-3z=7$ and $y+4z=-19$, with normal vectors $vec n=(1,0,-3)$ and $vec n'=(0,1,4)$ respectively. Therefore, a directing vector of $l_2$ is the cross-product $vec u_2=vec ntimesvec n'$.



Let $vec u_1=(-3,-4,6)$ the given directing vector of $l_1$. A directing vector of the common perpendicular of $l_1$ and $l_2$ is the cross-product
$$vec v=vec u_1timesvec u_2. $$
Thus, to find points $A$ on $l_1$ and $B$ on $l_2$ so that the line $(AB)$ is perpendicular to $l_1$ and $l_2$, we have to find a point $A$ (given by the parametric equation) and $t$ so the point
$$B=A+tvec v= A+t(vec u_1timesvec u_2)$$
satisfies the equations of line $l_2$.






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  • @John Miller: Where did you find 3 equations and 7 variables? You should obtain the two equations which define $l_2$ and two unknowns, $lambda$ and $t$.
    – Bernard
    Sep 9 at 16:22










  • sorry I never wrote it on paper as I was in the car but I have solved the question thank you.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 18:08












up vote
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down vote



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up vote
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A (slightly) different approach:



$l_2$ is defined as the intersection of the planes $x-3z=7$ and $y+4z=-19$, with normal vectors $vec n=(1,0,-3)$ and $vec n'=(0,1,4)$ respectively. Therefore, a directing vector of $l_2$ is the cross-product $vec u_2=vec ntimesvec n'$.



Let $vec u_1=(-3,-4,6)$ the given directing vector of $l_1$. A directing vector of the common perpendicular of $l_1$ and $l_2$ is the cross-product
$$vec v=vec u_1timesvec u_2. $$
Thus, to find points $A$ on $l_1$ and $B$ on $l_2$ so that the line $(AB)$ is perpendicular to $l_1$ and $l_2$, we have to find a point $A$ (given by the parametric equation) and $t$ so the point
$$B=A+tvec v= A+t(vec u_1timesvec u_2)$$
satisfies the equations of line $l_2$.






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A (slightly) different approach:



$l_2$ is defined as the intersection of the planes $x-3z=7$ and $y+4z=-19$, with normal vectors $vec n=(1,0,-3)$ and $vec n'=(0,1,4)$ respectively. Therefore, a directing vector of $l_2$ is the cross-product $vec u_2=vec ntimesvec n'$.



Let $vec u_1=(-3,-4,6)$ the given directing vector of $l_1$. A directing vector of the common perpendicular of $l_1$ and $l_2$ is the cross-product
$$vec v=vec u_1timesvec u_2. $$
Thus, to find points $A$ on $l_1$ and $B$ on $l_2$ so that the line $(AB)$ is perpendicular to $l_1$ and $l_2$, we have to find a point $A$ (given by the parametric equation) and $t$ so the point
$$B=A+tvec v= A+t(vec u_1timesvec u_2)$$
satisfies the equations of line $l_2$.







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  • @John Miller: Where did you find 3 equations and 7 variables? You should obtain the two equations which define $l_2$ and two unknowns, $lambda$ and $t$.
    – Bernard
    Sep 9 at 16:22










  • sorry I never wrote it on paper as I was in the car but I have solved the question thank you.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 18:08
















  • @John Miller: Where did you find 3 equations and 7 variables? You should obtain the two equations which define $l_2$ and two unknowns, $lambda$ and $t$.
    – Bernard
    Sep 9 at 16:22










  • sorry I never wrote it on paper as I was in the car but I have solved the question thank you.
    – John Miller
    Sep 9 at 18:08















@John Miller: Where did you find 3 equations and 7 variables? You should obtain the two equations which define $l_2$ and two unknowns, $lambda$ and $t$.
– Bernard
Sep 9 at 16:22




@John Miller: Where did you find 3 equations and 7 variables? You should obtain the two equations which define $l_2$ and two unknowns, $lambda$ and $t$.
– Bernard
Sep 9 at 16:22












sorry I never wrote it on paper as I was in the car but I have solved the question thank you.
– John Miller
Sep 9 at 18:08




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Sep 9 at 18:08

















 

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