Adjunction Spaces: Why does $A$ need to be a closed subset of $X$?

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Let $X$ and $Y$ be topological spaces, and $f:Arightarrow Y$ a continuous map from a subset $A$ of $X$ to $Y$.
We can form the adjunction space $X cup_f Y$ by appropriately quotienting the disjoint union $X sqcup Y:= (X times 1) cup (Y times 2)$, where we define an equivalence relation on $X sqcup Y$ by identifying every element $(y,2) in f(Y) times 2$, with the elements $(a,1) in A times 1$ such that $f(a) = y$ (and then taking the reflexive closure of this relation). The elements of $X cup_f Y$ are then the equivalence classes of $(z,i) in X sqcup Y$ under this relation. These can be described explicitly as:
- $ [(x,1)] = (x,1) $ for all $x in Xbackslash A$,
- $[(a,1)] = (f(a),2) cup a' in f^-1(f(a)) $ for all $a in A$,
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) $ for all $y in Ybackslash f(A)$, and
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) cup (a,1) $ for all $yin f(A)$
Question: Almost everybody defines the adjunction space assuming that $A$ is a closed subset of $X$. Why is this necessary? It seems as though everything that I have described above is well-defined without using this assumption.
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Let $X$ and $Y$ be topological spaces, and $f:Arightarrow Y$ a continuous map from a subset $A$ of $X$ to $Y$.
We can form the adjunction space $X cup_f Y$ by appropriately quotienting the disjoint union $X sqcup Y:= (X times 1) cup (Y times 2)$, where we define an equivalence relation on $X sqcup Y$ by identifying every element $(y,2) in f(Y) times 2$, with the elements $(a,1) in A times 1$ such that $f(a) = y$ (and then taking the reflexive closure of this relation). The elements of $X cup_f Y$ are then the equivalence classes of $(z,i) in X sqcup Y$ under this relation. These can be described explicitly as:
- $ [(x,1)] = (x,1) $ for all $x in Xbackslash A$,
- $[(a,1)] = (f(a),2) cup a' in f^-1(f(a)) $ for all $a in A$,
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) $ for all $y in Ybackslash f(A)$, and
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) cup (a,1) $ for all $yin f(A)$
Question: Almost everybody defines the adjunction space assuming that $A$ is a closed subset of $X$. Why is this necessary? It seems as though everything that I have described above is well-defined without using this assumption.
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When $A$ is closed, it's a bit better behaved.
â Lord Shark the Unknown
Aug 10 at 17:40
Such assumptions are not necessary for the construction, but rather for the resulting space to stay in a subcategory we like (like Hausdorff spaces, compactly generated spaces, CW complexes).
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Aug 10 at 17:52
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Let $X$ and $Y$ be topological spaces, and $f:Arightarrow Y$ a continuous map from a subset $A$ of $X$ to $Y$.
We can form the adjunction space $X cup_f Y$ by appropriately quotienting the disjoint union $X sqcup Y:= (X times 1) cup (Y times 2)$, where we define an equivalence relation on $X sqcup Y$ by identifying every element $(y,2) in f(Y) times 2$, with the elements $(a,1) in A times 1$ such that $f(a) = y$ (and then taking the reflexive closure of this relation). The elements of $X cup_f Y$ are then the equivalence classes of $(z,i) in X sqcup Y$ under this relation. These can be described explicitly as:
- $ [(x,1)] = (x,1) $ for all $x in Xbackslash A$,
- $[(a,1)] = (f(a),2) cup a' in f^-1(f(a)) $ for all $a in A$,
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) $ for all $y in Ybackslash f(A)$, and
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) cup (a,1) $ for all $yin f(A)$
Question: Almost everybody defines the adjunction space assuming that $A$ is a closed subset of $X$. Why is this necessary? It seems as though everything that I have described above is well-defined without using this assumption.
general-topology quotient-spaces
Let $X$ and $Y$ be topological spaces, and $f:Arightarrow Y$ a continuous map from a subset $A$ of $X$ to $Y$.
We can form the adjunction space $X cup_f Y$ by appropriately quotienting the disjoint union $X sqcup Y:= (X times 1) cup (Y times 2)$, where we define an equivalence relation on $X sqcup Y$ by identifying every element $(y,2) in f(Y) times 2$, with the elements $(a,1) in A times 1$ such that $f(a) = y$ (and then taking the reflexive closure of this relation). The elements of $X cup_f Y$ are then the equivalence classes of $(z,i) in X sqcup Y$ under this relation. These can be described explicitly as:
- $ [(x,1)] = (x,1) $ for all $x in Xbackslash A$,
- $[(a,1)] = (f(a),2) cup a' in f^-1(f(a)) $ for all $a in A$,
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) $ for all $y in Ybackslash f(A)$, and
- $[(y,2)] = (y,2) cup (a,1) $ for all $yin f(A)$
Question: Almost everybody defines the adjunction space assuming that $A$ is a closed subset of $X$. Why is this necessary? It seems as though everything that I have described above is well-defined without using this assumption.
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edited Aug 10 at 17:49
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When $A$ is closed, it's a bit better behaved.
â Lord Shark the Unknown
Aug 10 at 17:40
Such assumptions are not necessary for the construction, but rather for the resulting space to stay in a subcategory we like (like Hausdorff spaces, compactly generated spaces, CW complexes).
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Aug 10 at 17:52
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When $A$ is closed, it's a bit better behaved.
â Lord Shark the Unknown
Aug 10 at 17:40
Such assumptions are not necessary for the construction, but rather for the resulting space to stay in a subcategory we like (like Hausdorff spaces, compactly generated spaces, CW complexes).
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Aug 10 at 17:52
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When $A$ is closed, it's a bit better behaved.
â Lord Shark the Unknown
Aug 10 at 17:40
When $A$ is closed, it's a bit better behaved.
â Lord Shark the Unknown
Aug 10 at 17:40
Such assumptions are not necessary for the construction, but rather for the resulting space to stay in a subcategory we like (like Hausdorff spaces, compactly generated spaces, CW complexes).
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Aug 10 at 17:52
Such assumptions are not necessary for the construction, but rather for the resulting space to stay in a subcategory we like (like Hausdorff spaces, compactly generated spaces, CW complexes).
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Aug 10 at 17:52
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Imagine that you glue together two copies of $[0,1]$ using $A=(0,1]$ and the identity map.
Then each positive number corresponds to one point in the quotient ($(x,1)equiv (x,2)$ for all $x>0$), but there are two zeroes ($(0,1)not equiv (0,2)$).
Therefore any sequence which would normally tend to $0$ now has two different limits! Of course this last statement depends on the topology or whatever means you use to define limits in the quotient space, but there are no natural ways to avoid weirdness here.
I think I understand - these Hausdorff-violating points in $X cup_f Y$ occur precisely at the boundary of $A$ and $f(A)$. Allowing $A$ to be closed amounts to identifying all these limit points, so that limits become unique again in $X cup_f Y$.
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@Doc That's right.
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Imagine that you glue together two copies of $[0,1]$ using $A=(0,1]$ and the identity map.
Then each positive number corresponds to one point in the quotient ($(x,1)equiv (x,2)$ for all $x>0$), but there are two zeroes ($(0,1)not equiv (0,2)$).
Therefore any sequence which would normally tend to $0$ now has two different limits! Of course this last statement depends on the topology or whatever means you use to define limits in the quotient space, but there are no natural ways to avoid weirdness here.
I think I understand - these Hausdorff-violating points in $X cup_f Y$ occur precisely at the boundary of $A$ and $f(A)$. Allowing $A$ to be closed amounts to identifying all these limit points, so that limits become unique again in $X cup_f Y$.
â Doc
Aug 10 at 17:58
@Doc That's right.
â Arnaud Mortier
Aug 10 at 17:59
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2
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Imagine that you glue together two copies of $[0,1]$ using $A=(0,1]$ and the identity map.
Then each positive number corresponds to one point in the quotient ($(x,1)equiv (x,2)$ for all $x>0$), but there are two zeroes ($(0,1)not equiv (0,2)$).
Therefore any sequence which would normally tend to $0$ now has two different limits! Of course this last statement depends on the topology or whatever means you use to define limits in the quotient space, but there are no natural ways to avoid weirdness here.
I think I understand - these Hausdorff-violating points in $X cup_f Y$ occur precisely at the boundary of $A$ and $f(A)$. Allowing $A$ to be closed amounts to identifying all these limit points, so that limits become unique again in $X cup_f Y$.
â Doc
Aug 10 at 17:58
@Doc That's right.
â Arnaud Mortier
Aug 10 at 17:59
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Imagine that you glue together two copies of $[0,1]$ using $A=(0,1]$ and the identity map.
Then each positive number corresponds to one point in the quotient ($(x,1)equiv (x,2)$ for all $x>0$), but there are two zeroes ($(0,1)not equiv (0,2)$).
Therefore any sequence which would normally tend to $0$ now has two different limits! Of course this last statement depends on the topology or whatever means you use to define limits in the quotient space, but there are no natural ways to avoid weirdness here.
Imagine that you glue together two copies of $[0,1]$ using $A=(0,1]$ and the identity map.
Then each positive number corresponds to one point in the quotient ($(x,1)equiv (x,2)$ for all $x>0$), but there are two zeroes ($(0,1)not equiv (0,2)$).
Therefore any sequence which would normally tend to $0$ now has two different limits! Of course this last statement depends on the topology or whatever means you use to define limits in the quotient space, but there are no natural ways to avoid weirdness here.
answered Aug 10 at 17:48
Arnaud Mortier
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19.3k22159
I think I understand - these Hausdorff-violating points in $X cup_f Y$ occur precisely at the boundary of $A$ and $f(A)$. Allowing $A$ to be closed amounts to identifying all these limit points, so that limits become unique again in $X cup_f Y$.
â Doc
Aug 10 at 17:58
@Doc That's right.
â Arnaud Mortier
Aug 10 at 17:59
add a comment |Â
I think I understand - these Hausdorff-violating points in $X cup_f Y$ occur precisely at the boundary of $A$ and $f(A)$. Allowing $A$ to be closed amounts to identifying all these limit points, so that limits become unique again in $X cup_f Y$.
â Doc
Aug 10 at 17:58
@Doc That's right.
â Arnaud Mortier
Aug 10 at 17:59
I think I understand - these Hausdorff-violating points in $X cup_f Y$ occur precisely at the boundary of $A$ and $f(A)$. Allowing $A$ to be closed amounts to identifying all these limit points, so that limits become unique again in $X cup_f Y$.
â Doc
Aug 10 at 17:58
I think I understand - these Hausdorff-violating points in $X cup_f Y$ occur precisely at the boundary of $A$ and $f(A)$. Allowing $A$ to be closed amounts to identifying all these limit points, so that limits become unique again in $X cup_f Y$.
â Doc
Aug 10 at 17:58
@Doc That's right.
â Arnaud Mortier
Aug 10 at 17:59
@Doc That's right.
â Arnaud Mortier
Aug 10 at 17:59
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When $A$ is closed, it's a bit better behaved.
â Lord Shark the Unknown
Aug 10 at 17:40
Such assumptions are not necessary for the construction, but rather for the resulting space to stay in a subcategory we like (like Hausdorff spaces, compactly generated spaces, CW complexes).
â Pedro Tamaroffâ¦
Aug 10 at 17:52