Derivative of inverse trigonometric functions: $f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrt1-x^2right)$

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While trying to find the derivative of
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrt1-x^2right)$$
we arrive at two different answers by substituting $x=sin t$ or $x=cos t$. The aim is to simplify it as $arcsin(sin2t)$ and further simplify it as $2t$ and take its derivative. Proceeding in that manner, I arrived at two different answers for the derivative. I could understand that it was because the function $f$ is defined differently in different intervals, and as I have solved the problem without considering the intervals, I hit this answer. Also, I thought that since $sin t$ and $cos t$ will coincide only when $t=dfracpi4$, $x=pmdfrac1sqrt2$ will be the points where the definition changes. I got some more clarity when I looked at the graph of $f(x)$ but I could not figure out a way to systematically figure out what answer suits what interval.



MAJOR EDIT: I made a mistake in the function itself that I had given. My question earlier read:
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrtx^2-1right)$$
But I wanted only for what I've now altered it as. My sincere apologies...



EDIT: My question is how to figure out the interval in which the substitution applies for such problems in general. I don't need the expression for the derivative of $f(x)$.



Note: I am new to this community, so please point out any deviation from the policy, if I have deviated.
Also, I couldn't post my working as I do not have $10$ reputation.







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  • Thank you for the link... I've made the changes.
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  • your substitution with $sin$ or $cos$ doesn't work. $sqrtsin^2x-1=sqrt-cos^2x$ is undefined . . .
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    $x^2-1geq0$ shows $|x|geq1$ while $|sin|leq1$
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While trying to find the derivative of
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrt1-x^2right)$$
we arrive at two different answers by substituting $x=sin t$ or $x=cos t$. The aim is to simplify it as $arcsin(sin2t)$ and further simplify it as $2t$ and take its derivative. Proceeding in that manner, I arrived at two different answers for the derivative. I could understand that it was because the function $f$ is defined differently in different intervals, and as I have solved the problem without considering the intervals, I hit this answer. Also, I thought that since $sin t$ and $cos t$ will coincide only when $t=dfracpi4$, $x=pmdfrac1sqrt2$ will be the points where the definition changes. I got some more clarity when I looked at the graph of $f(x)$ but I could not figure out a way to systematically figure out what answer suits what interval.



MAJOR EDIT: I made a mistake in the function itself that I had given. My question earlier read:
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrtx^2-1right)$$
But I wanted only for what I've now altered it as. My sincere apologies...



EDIT: My question is how to figure out the interval in which the substitution applies for such problems in general. I don't need the expression for the derivative of $f(x)$.



Note: I am new to this community, so please point out any deviation from the policy, if I have deviated.
Also, I couldn't post my working as I do not have $10$ reputation.







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  • At least put each formula between dollars.
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:01










  • The MathJax tutorial may help.
    – Xander Henderson
    Aug 11 at 4:02










  • Thank you for the link... I've made the changes.
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:10










  • your substitution with $sin$ or $cos$ doesn't work. $sqrtsin^2x-1=sqrt-cos^2x$ is undefined . . .
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:21







  • 1




    $x^2-1geq0$ shows $|x|geq1$ while $|sin|leq1$
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:34












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While trying to find the derivative of
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrt1-x^2right)$$
we arrive at two different answers by substituting $x=sin t$ or $x=cos t$. The aim is to simplify it as $arcsin(sin2t)$ and further simplify it as $2t$ and take its derivative. Proceeding in that manner, I arrived at two different answers for the derivative. I could understand that it was because the function $f$ is defined differently in different intervals, and as I have solved the problem without considering the intervals, I hit this answer. Also, I thought that since $sin t$ and $cos t$ will coincide only when $t=dfracpi4$, $x=pmdfrac1sqrt2$ will be the points where the definition changes. I got some more clarity when I looked at the graph of $f(x)$ but I could not figure out a way to systematically figure out what answer suits what interval.



MAJOR EDIT: I made a mistake in the function itself that I had given. My question earlier read:
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrtx^2-1right)$$
But I wanted only for what I've now altered it as. My sincere apologies...



EDIT: My question is how to figure out the interval in which the substitution applies for such problems in general. I don't need the expression for the derivative of $f(x)$.



Note: I am new to this community, so please point out any deviation from the policy, if I have deviated.
Also, I couldn't post my working as I do not have $10$ reputation.







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While trying to find the derivative of
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrt1-x^2right)$$
we arrive at two different answers by substituting $x=sin t$ or $x=cos t$. The aim is to simplify it as $arcsin(sin2t)$ and further simplify it as $2t$ and take its derivative. Proceeding in that manner, I arrived at two different answers for the derivative. I could understand that it was because the function $f$ is defined differently in different intervals, and as I have solved the problem without considering the intervals, I hit this answer. Also, I thought that since $sin t$ and $cos t$ will coincide only when $t=dfracpi4$, $x=pmdfrac1sqrt2$ will be the points where the definition changes. I got some more clarity when I looked at the graph of $f(x)$ but I could not figure out a way to systematically figure out what answer suits what interval.



MAJOR EDIT: I made a mistake in the function itself that I had given. My question earlier read:
$$f(x)=arcsinleft(2xsqrtx^2-1right)$$
But I wanted only for what I've now altered it as. My sincere apologies...



EDIT: My question is how to figure out the interval in which the substitution applies for such problems in general. I don't need the expression for the derivative of $f(x)$.



Note: I am new to this community, so please point out any deviation from the policy, if I have deviated.
Also, I couldn't post my working as I do not have $10$ reputation.









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  • At least put each formula between dollars.
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:01










  • The MathJax tutorial may help.
    – Xander Henderson
    Aug 11 at 4:02










  • Thank you for the link... I've made the changes.
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:10










  • your substitution with $sin$ or $cos$ doesn't work. $sqrtsin^2x-1=sqrt-cos^2x$ is undefined . . .
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:21







  • 1




    $x^2-1geq0$ shows $|x|geq1$ while $|sin|leq1$
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:34
















  • At least put each formula between dollars.
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:01










  • The MathJax tutorial may help.
    – Xander Henderson
    Aug 11 at 4:02










  • Thank you for the link... I've made the changes.
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:10










  • your substitution with $sin$ or $cos$ doesn't work. $sqrtsin^2x-1=sqrt-cos^2x$ is undefined . . .
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:21







  • 1




    $x^2-1geq0$ shows $|x|geq1$ while $|sin|leq1$
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:34















At least put each formula between dollars.
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:01




At least put each formula between dollars.
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:01












The MathJax tutorial may help.
– Xander Henderson
Aug 11 at 4:02




The MathJax tutorial may help.
– Xander Henderson
Aug 11 at 4:02












Thank you for the link... I've made the changes.
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:10




Thank you for the link... I've made the changes.
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:10












your substitution with $sin$ or $cos$ doesn't work. $sqrtsin^2x-1=sqrt-cos^2x$ is undefined . . .
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:21





your substitution with $sin$ or $cos$ doesn't work. $sqrtsin^2x-1=sqrt-cos^2x$ is undefined . . .
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:21





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$x^2-1geq0$ shows $|x|geq1$ while $|sin|leq1$
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:34




$x^2-1geq0$ shows $|x|geq1$ while $|sin|leq1$
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:34










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$$f(x)=arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1)$$
$$sin(f(x))=2xsqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x) cos(f(x))=2sqrtx^2-1+2xdfrac2x2sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)sqrt1-sin^2f(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2$$






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  • Thank you for the answer! But my question was about the answer I got in a certain method. It would be of great help if you could clarify that question
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
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  • Really I couldn't read your post. Now you've edited so I read it!
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  • oh yes. And thanks for your suggestion in the comments.
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$$ f(x) = arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1) $$



Replace x=cosh$theta$



then f(x) = arcsin(sinh$2theta$)



by differentiating f(x),



f '(x) = $frac2cosh(2theta)sqrt1-sinh^2(2theta)sqrtx^2-1$



Replacing $ cosh(2theta) = 2x^2-1 $



f '(x) = $frac4x^2-2sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2sqrtx^2-1$






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  • Is x=sinhθ a valid substitution?
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    Aug 11 at 4:24










  • @RaghavasimhanVaradharajan, x = $ cosh(theta) $ is a valid substitution
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$$f(x)=arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1)$$
$$sin(f(x))=2xsqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x) cos(f(x))=2sqrtx^2-1+2xdfrac2x2sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)sqrt1-sin^2f(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2$$






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  • Thank you for the answer! But my question was about the answer I got in a certain method. It would be of great help if you could clarify that question
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:16










  • Really I couldn't read your post. Now you've edited so I read it!
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:18










  • oh yes. And thanks for your suggestion in the comments.
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:19














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$$f(x)=arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1)$$
$$sin(f(x))=2xsqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x) cos(f(x))=2sqrtx^2-1+2xdfrac2x2sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)sqrt1-sin^2f(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2$$






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  • Thank you for the answer! But my question was about the answer I got in a certain method. It would be of great help if you could clarify that question
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:16










  • Really I couldn't read your post. Now you've edited so I read it!
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:18










  • oh yes. And thanks for your suggestion in the comments.
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:19












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$$f(x)=arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1)$$
$$sin(f(x))=2xsqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x) cos(f(x))=2sqrtx^2-1+2xdfrac2x2sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)sqrt1-sin^2f(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2$$






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$$f(x)=arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1)$$
$$sin(f(x))=2xsqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x) cos(f(x))=2sqrtx^2-1+2xdfrac2x2sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)sqrt1-sin^2f(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1$$
$$f'(x)=2dfrac2x^2-1sqrtx^2-1sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2$$







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  • Thank you for the answer! But my question was about the answer I got in a certain method. It would be of great help if you could clarify that question
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:16










  • Really I couldn't read your post. Now you've edited so I read it!
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:18










  • oh yes. And thanks for your suggestion in the comments.
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:19
















  • Thank you for the answer! But my question was about the answer I got in a certain method. It would be of great help if you could clarify that question
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:16










  • Really I couldn't read your post. Now you've edited so I read it!
    – Nosrati
    Aug 11 at 4:18










  • oh yes. And thanks for your suggestion in the comments.
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:19















Thank you for the answer! But my question was about the answer I got in a certain method. It would be of great help if you could clarify that question
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:16




Thank you for the answer! But my question was about the answer I got in a certain method. It would be of great help if you could clarify that question
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:16












Really I couldn't read your post. Now you've edited so I read it!
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:18




Really I couldn't read your post. Now you've edited so I read it!
– Nosrati
Aug 11 at 4:18












oh yes. And thanks for your suggestion in the comments.
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:19




oh yes. And thanks for your suggestion in the comments.
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:19










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$$ f(x) = arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1) $$



Replace x=cosh$theta$



then f(x) = arcsin(sinh$2theta$)



by differentiating f(x),



f '(x) = $frac2cosh(2theta)sqrt1-sinh^2(2theta)sqrtx^2-1$



Replacing $ cosh(2theta) = 2x^2-1 $



f '(x) = $frac4x^2-2sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2sqrtx^2-1$






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  • Is x=sinhθ a valid substitution?
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:24










  • @RaghavasimhanVaradharajan, x = $ cosh(theta) $ is a valid substitution
    – Narendra Deconda
    Aug 11 at 5:08















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$$ f(x) = arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1) $$



Replace x=cosh$theta$



then f(x) = arcsin(sinh$2theta$)



by differentiating f(x),



f '(x) = $frac2cosh(2theta)sqrt1-sinh^2(2theta)sqrtx^2-1$



Replacing $ cosh(2theta) = 2x^2-1 $



f '(x) = $frac4x^2-2sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2sqrtx^2-1$






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  • Is x=sinhθ a valid substitution?
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:24










  • @RaghavasimhanVaradharajan, x = $ cosh(theta) $ is a valid substitution
    – Narendra Deconda
    Aug 11 at 5:08













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$$ f(x) = arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1) $$



Replace x=cosh$theta$



then f(x) = arcsin(sinh$2theta$)



by differentiating f(x),



f '(x) = $frac2cosh(2theta)sqrt1-sinh^2(2theta)sqrtx^2-1$



Replacing $ cosh(2theta) = 2x^2-1 $



f '(x) = $frac4x^2-2sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2sqrtx^2-1$






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$$ f(x) = arcsin(2xsqrtx^2-1) $$



Replace x=cosh$theta$



then f(x) = arcsin(sinh$2theta$)



by differentiating f(x),



f '(x) = $frac2cosh(2theta)sqrt1-sinh^2(2theta)sqrtx^2-1$



Replacing $ cosh(2theta) = 2x^2-1 $



f '(x) = $frac4x^2-2sqrt1-4x^4+4x^2sqrtx^2-1$







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  • Is x=sinhθ a valid substitution?
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:24










  • @RaghavasimhanVaradharajan, x = $ cosh(theta) $ is a valid substitution
    – Narendra Deconda
    Aug 11 at 5:08

















  • Is x=sinhθ a valid substitution?
    – Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
    Aug 11 at 4:24










  • @RaghavasimhanVaradharajan, x = $ cosh(theta) $ is a valid substitution
    – Narendra Deconda
    Aug 11 at 5:08
















Is x=sinhθ a valid substitution?
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:24




Is x=sinhθ a valid substitution?
– Raghavasimhan Varadharajan
Aug 11 at 4:24












@RaghavasimhanVaradharajan, x = $ cosh(theta) $ is a valid substitution
– Narendra Deconda
Aug 11 at 5:08





@RaghavasimhanVaradharajan, x = $ cosh(theta) $ is a valid substitution
– Narendra Deconda
Aug 11 at 5:08













 

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