A nicer form for $sum_r=1^msum_d(-1)^r+d d^3$?
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Let $R$ be a whole number. Is it possible for any whole number $c>0$ that there is a nicer form for $sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$? I can hope that we can just evaluate this sum but in lieu of that maybe something cheaper computationally. Taking $c=1$ we can examine:
$$f(x)=sum_r=1^xsum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Here is a table of the first 100 values of this function $f$. This function must grow $O(x^4)$ for reasons which should be clear after reading the exposition. TLDR: $f(x)/x^4$ limits to $fracpi^4384$ as $x$ gets large.
Exposition.
Let $phi_n(r)$ denote the number of integer solutions to the $n$-dimensional hypersphere $r=sum_i=1^n x_i^2$.
Then discovering $phi_2(r)=4 sum_r sin(fracpi2d)$ allows us to find a formula for $pi$. Namely, Leibniz's formula for $pi$. Considering that the sum of number of integer solutions for each $r$ from $1$ to $R^2$ should approximate the volume of a sphere (which for this special case $n=2$ goes by the special name 'circle') with radius $R$ we arrive at:
$$pi R^2 approxsum_r=1^R^2phi_2(r)$$ and after dividing both sides by $4R^2$ and unpacking our definitions we arrive $$fracpi4=lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^2sum_r=1^R^2sum_rsin Big(fracpi2d Big)$$
$$=sum_n=1^inftyfrac1nsinBig(fracpi2d Big)$$
So now that we've seen the development for a $2$-dimensional sphere what's the development for 8-dimensional sphere? Note that the $phi_8(r)= 16sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$ which gives a way of approximate the volume of an $8$-dimensional hypersphere:
$$frac124pi^4 R^8 approx sum_r=1^R^2phi_8(r)$$
We divide both sides by $16R^8$ to arrive at
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^8sum_r=1^R^2 sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
In fact! It looks to me like for any whole number $c$,
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^4csum_r=1^R^c sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
This does provide a nice sequence which converges to $pi^4/384$. Letting $c=1$ this sequence's rate of convergence is pretty atrocious.
$$1,frac816,frac3681,frac107256,frac233625,dots $$
The printed numbers are all accurate to ... zero decimal places... it should converge nonetheless.
but taking $c$ larger we arrive at this number much faster. For $c=2$,
$$1,frac107256,frac21136561,frac1912865536, dots $$
Only the last number printed is accurate to the first decimal of $pi^4/384$.
Can I see anything else here? Is there a closed form for this
$$sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Sequences of interest include A008457, A138503. I think this link may be a good resource but (I am pretty sure) the "formula" therein should be labelled as a generating function A055414.
I suppose it's unlikely that the problem is easier $c>1$ but I figured I would include this thought just in case the problem is somehow solvable for some specific $c$.
A more general food for thought question
Does this development get me similar looking things for other dimensions $n$?
sequences-and-series diophantine-equations analytic-number-theory elliptic-curves sums-of-squares
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Let $R$ be a whole number. Is it possible for any whole number $c>0$ that there is a nicer form for $sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$? I can hope that we can just evaluate this sum but in lieu of that maybe something cheaper computationally. Taking $c=1$ we can examine:
$$f(x)=sum_r=1^xsum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Here is a table of the first 100 values of this function $f$. This function must grow $O(x^4)$ for reasons which should be clear after reading the exposition. TLDR: $f(x)/x^4$ limits to $fracpi^4384$ as $x$ gets large.
Exposition.
Let $phi_n(r)$ denote the number of integer solutions to the $n$-dimensional hypersphere $r=sum_i=1^n x_i^2$.
Then discovering $phi_2(r)=4 sum_r sin(fracpi2d)$ allows us to find a formula for $pi$. Namely, Leibniz's formula for $pi$. Considering that the sum of number of integer solutions for each $r$ from $1$ to $R^2$ should approximate the volume of a sphere (which for this special case $n=2$ goes by the special name 'circle') with radius $R$ we arrive at:
$$pi R^2 approxsum_r=1^R^2phi_2(r)$$ and after dividing both sides by $4R^2$ and unpacking our definitions we arrive $$fracpi4=lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^2sum_r=1^R^2sum_rsin Big(fracpi2d Big)$$
$$=sum_n=1^inftyfrac1nsinBig(fracpi2d Big)$$
So now that we've seen the development for a $2$-dimensional sphere what's the development for 8-dimensional sphere? Note that the $phi_8(r)= 16sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$ which gives a way of approximate the volume of an $8$-dimensional hypersphere:
$$frac124pi^4 R^8 approx sum_r=1^R^2phi_8(r)$$
We divide both sides by $16R^8$ to arrive at
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^8sum_r=1^R^2 sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
In fact! It looks to me like for any whole number $c$,
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^4csum_r=1^R^c sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
This does provide a nice sequence which converges to $pi^4/384$. Letting $c=1$ this sequence's rate of convergence is pretty atrocious.
$$1,frac816,frac3681,frac107256,frac233625,dots $$
The printed numbers are all accurate to ... zero decimal places... it should converge nonetheless.
but taking $c$ larger we arrive at this number much faster. For $c=2$,
$$1,frac107256,frac21136561,frac1912865536, dots $$
Only the last number printed is accurate to the first decimal of $pi^4/384$.
Can I see anything else here? Is there a closed form for this
$$sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Sequences of interest include A008457, A138503. I think this link may be a good resource but (I am pretty sure) the "formula" therein should be labelled as a generating function A055414.
I suppose it's unlikely that the problem is easier $c>1$ but I figured I would include this thought just in case the problem is somehow solvable for some specific $c$.
A more general food for thought question
Does this development get me similar looking things for other dimensions $n$?
sequences-and-series diophantine-equations analytic-number-theory elliptic-curves sums-of-squares
You have a sum over r, but r does not appear in the summand?
â herb steinberg
Aug 11 at 0:34
Sorry about that 'circle' joke too. Unclear if you can hear my tongue and cheek humor over the internet.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:40
@herbsteinberg. I think I got them all.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:48
If anyone wanted to chime in about appropriate tags that would help too.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:55
Wouldn't plugging $sqrt[2]R^c$ into your formula proves your assertion? In fact it seems like the sum converges to $fracpi^4384$ for all real $cge 1$
â cortek
Aug 11 at 4:13
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Let $R$ be a whole number. Is it possible for any whole number $c>0$ that there is a nicer form for $sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$? I can hope that we can just evaluate this sum but in lieu of that maybe something cheaper computationally. Taking $c=1$ we can examine:
$$f(x)=sum_r=1^xsum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Here is a table of the first 100 values of this function $f$. This function must grow $O(x^4)$ for reasons which should be clear after reading the exposition. TLDR: $f(x)/x^4$ limits to $fracpi^4384$ as $x$ gets large.
Exposition.
Let $phi_n(r)$ denote the number of integer solutions to the $n$-dimensional hypersphere $r=sum_i=1^n x_i^2$.
Then discovering $phi_2(r)=4 sum_r sin(fracpi2d)$ allows us to find a formula for $pi$. Namely, Leibniz's formula for $pi$. Considering that the sum of number of integer solutions for each $r$ from $1$ to $R^2$ should approximate the volume of a sphere (which for this special case $n=2$ goes by the special name 'circle') with radius $R$ we arrive at:
$$pi R^2 approxsum_r=1^R^2phi_2(r)$$ and after dividing both sides by $4R^2$ and unpacking our definitions we arrive $$fracpi4=lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^2sum_r=1^R^2sum_rsin Big(fracpi2d Big)$$
$$=sum_n=1^inftyfrac1nsinBig(fracpi2d Big)$$
So now that we've seen the development for a $2$-dimensional sphere what's the development for 8-dimensional sphere? Note that the $phi_8(r)= 16sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$ which gives a way of approximate the volume of an $8$-dimensional hypersphere:
$$frac124pi^4 R^8 approx sum_r=1^R^2phi_8(r)$$
We divide both sides by $16R^8$ to arrive at
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^8sum_r=1^R^2 sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
In fact! It looks to me like for any whole number $c$,
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^4csum_r=1^R^c sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
This does provide a nice sequence which converges to $pi^4/384$. Letting $c=1$ this sequence's rate of convergence is pretty atrocious.
$$1,frac816,frac3681,frac107256,frac233625,dots $$
The printed numbers are all accurate to ... zero decimal places... it should converge nonetheless.
but taking $c$ larger we arrive at this number much faster. For $c=2$,
$$1,frac107256,frac21136561,frac1912865536, dots $$
Only the last number printed is accurate to the first decimal of $pi^4/384$.
Can I see anything else here? Is there a closed form for this
$$sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Sequences of interest include A008457, A138503. I think this link may be a good resource but (I am pretty sure) the "formula" therein should be labelled as a generating function A055414.
I suppose it's unlikely that the problem is easier $c>1$ but I figured I would include this thought just in case the problem is somehow solvable for some specific $c$.
A more general food for thought question
Does this development get me similar looking things for other dimensions $n$?
sequences-and-series diophantine-equations analytic-number-theory elliptic-curves sums-of-squares
Specific Question
Let $R$ be a whole number. Is it possible for any whole number $c>0$ that there is a nicer form for $sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$? I can hope that we can just evaluate this sum but in lieu of that maybe something cheaper computationally. Taking $c=1$ we can examine:
$$f(x)=sum_r=1^xsum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Here is a table of the first 100 values of this function $f$. This function must grow $O(x^4)$ for reasons which should be clear after reading the exposition. TLDR: $f(x)/x^4$ limits to $fracpi^4384$ as $x$ gets large.
Exposition.
Let $phi_n(r)$ denote the number of integer solutions to the $n$-dimensional hypersphere $r=sum_i=1^n x_i^2$.
Then discovering $phi_2(r)=4 sum_r sin(fracpi2d)$ allows us to find a formula for $pi$. Namely, Leibniz's formula for $pi$. Considering that the sum of number of integer solutions for each $r$ from $1$ to $R^2$ should approximate the volume of a sphere (which for this special case $n=2$ goes by the special name 'circle') with radius $R$ we arrive at:
$$pi R^2 approxsum_r=1^R^2phi_2(r)$$ and after dividing both sides by $4R^2$ and unpacking our definitions we arrive $$fracpi4=lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^2sum_r=1^R^2sum_rsin Big(fracpi2d Big)$$
$$=sum_n=1^inftyfrac1nsinBig(fracpi2d Big)$$
So now that we've seen the development for a $2$-dimensional sphere what's the development for 8-dimensional sphere? Note that the $phi_8(r)= 16sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$ which gives a way of approximate the volume of an $8$-dimensional hypersphere:
$$frac124pi^4 R^8 approx sum_r=1^R^2phi_8(r)$$
We divide both sides by $16R^8$ to arrive at
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^8sum_r=1^R^2 sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
In fact! It looks to me like for any whole number $c$,
$$fracpi^4384= lim_Rtoinfty frac1R^4csum_r=1^R^c sum_r (-1)^r+dd^3$$
This does provide a nice sequence which converges to $pi^4/384$. Letting $c=1$ this sequence's rate of convergence is pretty atrocious.
$$1,frac816,frac3681,frac107256,frac233625,dots $$
The printed numbers are all accurate to ... zero decimal places... it should converge nonetheless.
but taking $c$ larger we arrive at this number much faster. For $c=2$,
$$1,frac107256,frac21136561,frac1912865536, dots $$
Only the last number printed is accurate to the first decimal of $pi^4/384$.
Can I see anything else here? Is there a closed form for this
$$sum_r=1^R^csum_r(-1)^r+d d^3$$
Sequences of interest include A008457, A138503. I think this link may be a good resource but (I am pretty sure) the "formula" therein should be labelled as a generating function A055414.
I suppose it's unlikely that the problem is easier $c>1$ but I figured I would include this thought just in case the problem is somehow solvable for some specific $c$.
A more general food for thought question
Does this development get me similar looking things for other dimensions $n$?
sequences-and-series diophantine-equations analytic-number-theory elliptic-curves sums-of-squares
edited Aug 12 at 2:08
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Mason
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You have a sum over r, but r does not appear in the summand?
â herb steinberg
Aug 11 at 0:34
Sorry about that 'circle' joke too. Unclear if you can hear my tongue and cheek humor over the internet.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:40
@herbsteinberg. I think I got them all.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:48
If anyone wanted to chime in about appropriate tags that would help too.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:55
Wouldn't plugging $sqrt[2]R^c$ into your formula proves your assertion? In fact it seems like the sum converges to $fracpi^4384$ for all real $cge 1$
â cortek
Aug 11 at 4:13
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You have a sum over r, but r does not appear in the summand?
â herb steinberg
Aug 11 at 0:34
Sorry about that 'circle' joke too. Unclear if you can hear my tongue and cheek humor over the internet.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:40
@herbsteinberg. I think I got them all.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:48
If anyone wanted to chime in about appropriate tags that would help too.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:55
Wouldn't plugging $sqrt[2]R^c$ into your formula proves your assertion? In fact it seems like the sum converges to $fracpi^4384$ for all real $cge 1$
â cortek
Aug 11 at 4:13
You have a sum over r, but r does not appear in the summand?
â herb steinberg
Aug 11 at 0:34
You have a sum over r, but r does not appear in the summand?
â herb steinberg
Aug 11 at 0:34
Sorry about that 'circle' joke too. Unclear if you can hear my tongue and cheek humor over the internet.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:40
Sorry about that 'circle' joke too. Unclear if you can hear my tongue and cheek humor over the internet.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:40
@herbsteinberg. I think I got them all.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:48
@herbsteinberg. I think I got them all.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:48
If anyone wanted to chime in about appropriate tags that would help too.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:55
If anyone wanted to chime in about appropriate tags that would help too.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:55
Wouldn't plugging $sqrt[2]R^c$ into your formula proves your assertion? In fact it seems like the sum converges to $fracpi^4384$ for all real $cge 1$
â cortek
Aug 11 at 4:13
Wouldn't plugging $sqrt[2]R^c$ into your formula proves your assertion? In fact it seems like the sum converges to $fracpi^4384$ for all real $cge 1$
â cortek
Aug 11 at 4:13
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Neat Question! What follows is mostly a long comment.
Define $tildesigma_s(n):=sum_d(-1)^d-1d^s$, an "alternating sum of divisors function." Your sum becomes $sum_r=1^x(-1)^r+1tildesigma_3(r)$.
If you now take the classical sum-of-divisors $sigma_s(n)$, then it's easy to see that $tildesigma_s(2k+1)=sigma_s(2k+1)$ and $tildesigma_s(2k)=sigma_s(2k)-2^s+1sigma_s(k)$.
Your sum is almost the famous Ramanujan Eisenstein sum $Q(q):=1+240sum_r=1^inftysigma_3(r)q^r=1+240sum_r=1^infty fracr^3q^r1-q^r$, the difference being your sum is finite and with the caveat that this sum blows up for $|q|=1$. That's unfortunate because for $|q|<1$, there are a slew of identites that $Q$ satisfies, and I'm not sure they will carry over easily in the finite case. It looks like this might be relevant paper, where you'll find a compendium of identities for $tildesigma_3(n)$, along with analogous infinite Ramanujan Eisenstein sums:
Convolution Sums of some functions on divisors -- Hahn
Thanks! Just a note: $E_4$ in the notation of this wiki
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Neat Question! What follows is mostly a long comment.
Define $tildesigma_s(n):=sum_d(-1)^d-1d^s$, an "alternating sum of divisors function." Your sum becomes $sum_r=1^x(-1)^r+1tildesigma_3(r)$.
If you now take the classical sum-of-divisors $sigma_s(n)$, then it's easy to see that $tildesigma_s(2k+1)=sigma_s(2k+1)$ and $tildesigma_s(2k)=sigma_s(2k)-2^s+1sigma_s(k)$.
Your sum is almost the famous Ramanujan Eisenstein sum $Q(q):=1+240sum_r=1^inftysigma_3(r)q^r=1+240sum_r=1^infty fracr^3q^r1-q^r$, the difference being your sum is finite and with the caveat that this sum blows up for $|q|=1$. That's unfortunate because for $|q|<1$, there are a slew of identites that $Q$ satisfies, and I'm not sure they will carry over easily in the finite case. It looks like this might be relevant paper, where you'll find a compendium of identities for $tildesigma_3(n)$, along with analogous infinite Ramanujan Eisenstein sums:
Convolution Sums of some functions on divisors -- Hahn
Thanks! Just a note: $E_4$ in the notation of this wiki
â Mason
Aug 11 at 6:42
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Neat Question! What follows is mostly a long comment.
Define $tildesigma_s(n):=sum_d(-1)^d-1d^s$, an "alternating sum of divisors function." Your sum becomes $sum_r=1^x(-1)^r+1tildesigma_3(r)$.
If you now take the classical sum-of-divisors $sigma_s(n)$, then it's easy to see that $tildesigma_s(2k+1)=sigma_s(2k+1)$ and $tildesigma_s(2k)=sigma_s(2k)-2^s+1sigma_s(k)$.
Your sum is almost the famous Ramanujan Eisenstein sum $Q(q):=1+240sum_r=1^inftysigma_3(r)q^r=1+240sum_r=1^infty fracr^3q^r1-q^r$, the difference being your sum is finite and with the caveat that this sum blows up for $|q|=1$. That's unfortunate because for $|q|<1$, there are a slew of identites that $Q$ satisfies, and I'm not sure they will carry over easily in the finite case. It looks like this might be relevant paper, where you'll find a compendium of identities for $tildesigma_3(n)$, along with analogous infinite Ramanujan Eisenstein sums:
Convolution Sums of some functions on divisors -- Hahn
Thanks! Just a note: $E_4$ in the notation of this wiki
â Mason
Aug 11 at 6:42
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Neat Question! What follows is mostly a long comment.
Define $tildesigma_s(n):=sum_d(-1)^d-1d^s$, an "alternating sum of divisors function." Your sum becomes $sum_r=1^x(-1)^r+1tildesigma_3(r)$.
If you now take the classical sum-of-divisors $sigma_s(n)$, then it's easy to see that $tildesigma_s(2k+1)=sigma_s(2k+1)$ and $tildesigma_s(2k)=sigma_s(2k)-2^s+1sigma_s(k)$.
Your sum is almost the famous Ramanujan Eisenstein sum $Q(q):=1+240sum_r=1^inftysigma_3(r)q^r=1+240sum_r=1^infty fracr^3q^r1-q^r$, the difference being your sum is finite and with the caveat that this sum blows up for $|q|=1$. That's unfortunate because for $|q|<1$, there are a slew of identites that $Q$ satisfies, and I'm not sure they will carry over easily in the finite case. It looks like this might be relevant paper, where you'll find a compendium of identities for $tildesigma_3(n)$, along with analogous infinite Ramanujan Eisenstein sums:
Convolution Sums of some functions on divisors -- Hahn
Neat Question! What follows is mostly a long comment.
Define $tildesigma_s(n):=sum_d(-1)^d-1d^s$, an "alternating sum of divisors function." Your sum becomes $sum_r=1^x(-1)^r+1tildesigma_3(r)$.
If you now take the classical sum-of-divisors $sigma_s(n)$, then it's easy to see that $tildesigma_s(2k+1)=sigma_s(2k+1)$ and $tildesigma_s(2k)=sigma_s(2k)-2^s+1sigma_s(k)$.
Your sum is almost the famous Ramanujan Eisenstein sum $Q(q):=1+240sum_r=1^inftysigma_3(r)q^r=1+240sum_r=1^infty fracr^3q^r1-q^r$, the difference being your sum is finite and with the caveat that this sum blows up for $|q|=1$. That's unfortunate because for $|q|<1$, there are a slew of identites that $Q$ satisfies, and I'm not sure they will carry over easily in the finite case. It looks like this might be relevant paper, where you'll find a compendium of identities for $tildesigma_3(n)$, along with analogous infinite Ramanujan Eisenstein sums:
Convolution Sums of some functions on divisors -- Hahn
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Thanks! Just a note: $E_4$ in the notation of this wiki
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Aug 11 at 6:42
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Thanks! Just a note: $E_4$ in the notation of this wiki
â Mason
Aug 11 at 6:42
Thanks! Just a note: $E_4$ in the notation of this wiki
â Mason
Aug 11 at 6:42
Thanks! Just a note: $E_4$ in the notation of this wiki
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You have a sum over r, but r does not appear in the summand?
â herb steinberg
Aug 11 at 0:34
Sorry about that 'circle' joke too. Unclear if you can hear my tongue and cheek humor over the internet.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:40
@herbsteinberg. I think I got them all.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:48
If anyone wanted to chime in about appropriate tags that would help too.
â Mason
Aug 11 at 0:55
Wouldn't plugging $sqrt[2]R^c$ into your formula proves your assertion? In fact it seems like the sum converges to $fracpi^4384$ for all real $cge 1$
â cortek
Aug 11 at 4:13