Maclaurin Series with $f^(n)(0)=0$
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I am learning Maclaurin Series for the first time and having trouble understanding it.
The thing is, Maclaurin Series has the basic thinking that infinite number of derivatives have coefficients of $f^(n)(0)$ that equals $n!C_n$. I get that.
But whenever there is a chain rule, does every $f^(n)(0)$ not become 0?
For example, for function $(4+x^2)^frac-12$, proper form of binomial function is
$frac12(1+fracx^24)^frac-12$,
the first derivative becomes $frac-12(1+fracx^24)^frac-32*fracx2$
and every following derivatives have $fracx2$ at the end, which makes $f^(n)(0)=0$ because x being zero makes everything zero.
But the solutions don't seem to mind it and solve problems as if there was not $fracx2$
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I am learning Maclaurin Series for the first time and having trouble understanding it.
The thing is, Maclaurin Series has the basic thinking that infinite number of derivatives have coefficients of $f^(n)(0)$ that equals $n!C_n$. I get that.
But whenever there is a chain rule, does every $f^(n)(0)$ not become 0?
For example, for function $(4+x^2)^frac-12$, proper form of binomial function is
$frac12(1+fracx^24)^frac-12$,
the first derivative becomes $frac-12(1+fracx^24)^frac-32*fracx2$
and every following derivatives have $fracx2$ at the end, which makes $f^(n)(0)=0$ because x being zero makes everything zero.
But the solutions don't seem to mind it and solve problems as if there was not $fracx2$
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I don't get what you are asking...
â induction601
Aug 11 at 0:06
Maclaurine Series is putting x=0 at f', f'',f''',f'''? but f', f'', f''', f'''' has x/2 multipliesd at the end, and when x=0, does not f'(0), f''(0), f'''(0), f''''(0), become 0 too?
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Aug 11 at 0:11
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I am learning Maclaurin Series for the first time and having trouble understanding it.
The thing is, Maclaurin Series has the basic thinking that infinite number of derivatives have coefficients of $f^(n)(0)$ that equals $n!C_n$. I get that.
But whenever there is a chain rule, does every $f^(n)(0)$ not become 0?
For example, for function $(4+x^2)^frac-12$, proper form of binomial function is
$frac12(1+fracx^24)^frac-12$,
the first derivative becomes $frac-12(1+fracx^24)^frac-32*fracx2$
and every following derivatives have $fracx2$ at the end, which makes $f^(n)(0)=0$ because x being zero makes everything zero.
But the solutions don't seem to mind it and solve problems as if there was not $fracx2$
power-series
I am learning Maclaurin Series for the first time and having trouble understanding it.
The thing is, Maclaurin Series has the basic thinking that infinite number of derivatives have coefficients of $f^(n)(0)$ that equals $n!C_n$. I get that.
But whenever there is a chain rule, does every $f^(n)(0)$ not become 0?
For example, for function $(4+x^2)^frac-12$, proper form of binomial function is
$frac12(1+fracx^24)^frac-12$,
the first derivative becomes $frac-12(1+fracx^24)^frac-32*fracx2$
and every following derivatives have $fracx2$ at the end, which makes $f^(n)(0)=0$ because x being zero makes everything zero.
But the solutions don't seem to mind it and solve problems as if there was not $fracx2$
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I don't get what you are asking...
â induction601
Aug 11 at 0:06
Maclaurine Series is putting x=0 at f', f'',f''',f'''? but f', f'', f''', f'''' has x/2 multipliesd at the end, and when x=0, does not f'(0), f''(0), f'''(0), f''''(0), become 0 too?
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I don't get what you are asking...
â induction601
Aug 11 at 0:06
Maclaurine Series is putting x=0 at f', f'',f''',f'''? but f', f'', f''', f'''' has x/2 multipliesd at the end, and when x=0, does not f'(0), f''(0), f'''(0), f''''(0), become 0 too?
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Aug 11 at 0:11
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I don't get what you are asking...
â induction601
Aug 11 at 0:06
I don't get what you are asking...
â induction601
Aug 11 at 0:06
Maclaurine Series is putting x=0 at f', f'',f''',f'''? but f', f'', f''', f'''' has x/2 multipliesd at the end, and when x=0, does not f'(0), f''(0), f'''(0), f''''(0), become 0 too?
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Aug 11 at 0:11
Maclaurine Series is putting x=0 at f', f'',f''',f'''? but f', f'', f''', f'''' has x/2 multipliesd at the end, and when x=0, does not f'(0), f''(0), f'''(0), f''''(0), become 0 too?
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No
$f'(x)=-dfracxleft( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ and so indeed $f'(0)=0$
But $f''(x)=dfrac3 x^2left( x^2+4right) ^5/2-dfrac1left( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ so $f''(0)=0-dfrac18$ and something similar happens with all the even derivatives
In fact $$left( x^2+4right) ^-1/2= frac12-frac116 x^2+frac3256 x^4-frac52048 x^6+frac3565536 x^8-cdots$$
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The question is
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Aug 11 at 0:56
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The answer is $frac12x + Sigma^infinity_n=1(-1)^nfrac(1)(3)(5)....(2n-1)n!2^3n+1x^2n-1$ The original question is $x(x^2+4)^-1/2$ The answer should have $(2n)!$ in the denomenator because odd numbered derivatives$f^(2n-1)(0)$ are 0, but the answer has n!, which suggests all $f^n(0)$ is accounted for.
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No, not every derivative has an $x/2$. In your example,
$$f^(2)(x) = frac 3,x^232, left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^5/2-1/8,
left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^-3/2
$$ so $f^(2)(0) = -1/8$.
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No
$f'(x)=-dfracxleft( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ and so indeed $f'(0)=0$
But $f''(x)=dfrac3 x^2left( x^2+4right) ^5/2-dfrac1left( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ so $f''(0)=0-dfrac18$ and something similar happens with all the even derivatives
In fact $$left( x^2+4right) ^-1/2= frac12-frac116 x^2+frac3256 x^4-frac52048 x^6+frac3565536 x^8-cdots$$
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The question is
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 0:56
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The answer is $frac12x + Sigma^infinity_n=1(-1)^nfrac(1)(3)(5)....(2n-1)n!2^3n+1x^2n-1$ The original question is $x(x^2+4)^-1/2$ The answer should have $(2n)!$ in the denomenator because odd numbered derivatives$f^(2n-1)(0)$ are 0, but the answer has n!, which suggests all $f^n(0)$ is accounted for.
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No
$f'(x)=-dfracxleft( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ and so indeed $f'(0)=0$
But $f''(x)=dfrac3 x^2left( x^2+4right) ^5/2-dfrac1left( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ so $f''(0)=0-dfrac18$ and something similar happens with all the even derivatives
In fact $$left( x^2+4right) ^-1/2= frac12-frac116 x^2+frac3256 x^4-frac52048 x^6+frac3565536 x^8-cdots$$
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The question is
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 0:56
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The answer is $frac12x + Sigma^infinity_n=1(-1)^nfrac(1)(3)(5)....(2n-1)n!2^3n+1x^2n-1$ The original question is $x(x^2+4)^-1/2$ The answer should have $(2n)!$ in the denomenator because odd numbered derivatives$f^(2n-1)(0)$ are 0, but the answer has n!, which suggests all $f^n(0)$ is accounted for.
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No
$f'(x)=-dfracxleft( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ and so indeed $f'(0)=0$
But $f''(x)=dfrac3 x^2left( x^2+4right) ^5/2-dfrac1left( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ so $f''(0)=0-dfrac18$ and something similar happens with all the even derivatives
In fact $$left( x^2+4right) ^-1/2= frac12-frac116 x^2+frac3256 x^4-frac52048 x^6+frac3565536 x^8-cdots$$
No
$f'(x)=-dfracxleft( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ and so indeed $f'(0)=0$
But $f''(x)=dfrac3 x^2left( x^2+4right) ^5/2-dfrac1left( x^2+4right) ^3/2$ so $f''(0)=0-dfrac18$ and something similar happens with all the even derivatives
In fact $$left( x^2+4right) ^-1/2= frac12-frac116 x^2+frac3256 x^4-frac52048 x^6+frac3565536 x^8-cdots$$
answered Aug 11 at 0:21
Henry
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I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The question is
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 0:56
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The answer is $frac12x + Sigma^infinity_n=1(-1)^nfrac(1)(3)(5)....(2n-1)n!2^3n+1x^2n-1$ The original question is $x(x^2+4)^-1/2$ The answer should have $(2n)!$ in the denomenator because odd numbered derivatives$f^(2n-1)(0)$ are 0, but the answer has n!, which suggests all $f^n(0)$ is accounted for.
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 1:02
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I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The question is
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 0:56
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The answer is $frac12x + Sigma^infinity_n=1(-1)^nfrac(1)(3)(5)....(2n-1)n!2^3n+1x^2n-1$ The original question is $x(x^2+4)^-1/2$ The answer should have $(2n)!$ in the denomenator because odd numbered derivatives$f^(2n-1)(0)$ are 0, but the answer has n!, which suggests all $f^n(0)$ is accounted for.
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 1:02
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The question is
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 0:56
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The question is
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 0:56
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The answer is $frac12x + Sigma^infinity_n=1(-1)^nfrac(1)(3)(5)....(2n-1)n!2^3n+1x^2n-1$ The original question is $x(x^2+4)^-1/2$ The answer should have $(2n)!$ in the denomenator because odd numbered derivatives$f^(2n-1)(0)$ are 0, but the answer has n!, which suggests all $f^n(0)$ is accounted for.
â ê°Âì¹ÃÂÂ
Aug 11 at 1:02
I see what you are saying. The solution did not really mention it. And also the answer does not seem to account for what you are saying, although I agree with you. The answer is $frac12x + Sigma^infinity_n=1(-1)^nfrac(1)(3)(5)....(2n-1)n!2^3n+1x^2n-1$ The original question is $x(x^2+4)^-1/2$ The answer should have $(2n)!$ in the denomenator because odd numbered derivatives$f^(2n-1)(0)$ are 0, but the answer has n!, which suggests all $f^n(0)$ is accounted for.
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Aug 11 at 1:02
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No, not every derivative has an $x/2$. In your example,
$$f^(2)(x) = frac 3,x^232, left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^5/2-1/8,
left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^-3/2
$$ so $f^(2)(0) = -1/8$.
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No, not every derivative has an $x/2$. In your example,
$$f^(2)(x) = frac 3,x^232, left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^5/2-1/8,
left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^-3/2
$$ so $f^(2)(0) = -1/8$.
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No, not every derivative has an $x/2$. In your example,
$$f^(2)(x) = frac 3,x^232, left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^5/2-1/8,
left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^-3/2
$$ so $f^(2)(0) = -1/8$.
No, not every derivative has an $x/2$. In your example,
$$f^(2)(x) = frac 3,x^232, left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^5/2-1/8,
left( 1+x^2/4 right) ^-3/2
$$ so $f^(2)(0) = -1/8$.
answered Aug 11 at 0:21
Robert Israel
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I don't get what you are asking...
â induction601
Aug 11 at 0:06
Maclaurine Series is putting x=0 at f', f'',f''',f'''? but f', f'', f''', f'''' has x/2 multipliesd at the end, and when x=0, does not f'(0), f''(0), f'''(0), f''''(0), become 0 too?
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Aug 11 at 0:11