Trigonometrical Problem
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I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:
In the end I want to reach the form:
$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$
starting with the formula for similar triangles:
$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$
When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that
$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$
Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$
Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks!
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I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:
In the end I want to reach the form:
$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$
starting with the formula for similar triangles:
$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$
When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that
$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$
Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$
Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks!
trigonometry
1
The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
â uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11
2
Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
â Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30
Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51
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I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:
In the end I want to reach the form:
$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$
starting with the formula for similar triangles:
$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$
When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that
$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$
Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$
Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks!
trigonometry
I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:
In the end I want to reach the form:
$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$
starting with the formula for similar triangles:
$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$
When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that
$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$
Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$
Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks!
trigonometry
edited Aug 10 at 22:54
asked Aug 10 at 21:07
Karido
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The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
â uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11
2
Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
â Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30
Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51
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1
The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
â uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11
2
Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
â Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30
Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51
1
1
The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
â uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11
The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
â uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11
2
2
Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
â Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30
Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
â Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30
Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51
Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51
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Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
then
$$ BC = xcostheta
\AC = xsintheta $$
And
$$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
\ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
\AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
$$
Elegant and concise! (+1)
â Robert Howard
Aug 10 at 21:55
Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 23:25
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I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$
In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$
And, you are trying to show.
$sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$
Which simplifies to
$cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$
Which is one of your basic trig identities.
and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.
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2 Answers
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
then
$$ BC = xcostheta
\AC = xsintheta $$
And
$$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
\ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
\AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
$$
Elegant and concise! (+1)
â Robert Howard
Aug 10 at 21:55
Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 23:25
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up vote
4
down vote
accepted
Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
then
$$ BC = xcostheta
\AC = xsintheta $$
And
$$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
\ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
\AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
$$
Elegant and concise! (+1)
â Robert Howard
Aug 10 at 21:55
Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 23:25
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
then
$$ BC = xcostheta
\AC = xsintheta $$
And
$$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
\ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
\AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
$$
Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
then
$$ BC = xcostheta
\AC = xsintheta $$
And
$$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
\ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
\AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
$$
answered Aug 10 at 21:46
WW1
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Elegant and concise! (+1)
â Robert Howard
Aug 10 at 21:55
Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 23:25
add a comment |Â
Elegant and concise! (+1)
â Robert Howard
Aug 10 at 21:55
Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 23:25
Elegant and concise! (+1)
â Robert Howard
Aug 10 at 21:55
Elegant and concise! (+1)
â Robert Howard
Aug 10 at 21:55
Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 23:25
Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 23:25
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I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$
In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$
And, you are trying to show.
$sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$
Which simplifies to
$cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$
Which is one of your basic trig identities.
and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.
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up vote
3
down vote
I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$
In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$
And, you are trying to show.
$sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$
Which simplifies to
$cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$
Which is one of your basic trig identities.
and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.
add a comment |Â
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
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I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$
In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$
And, you are trying to show.
$sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$
Which simplifies to
$cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$
Which is one of your basic trig identities.
and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.
I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$
In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$
And, you are trying to show.
$sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$
Which simplifies to
$cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$
Which is one of your basic trig identities.
and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.
answered Aug 10 at 21:45
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1
The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
â uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11
2
Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
â Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30
Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_ABâ²$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
â Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51