Trigonometrical Problem

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I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:



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In the end I want to reach the form:



$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$



starting with the formula for similar triangles:



$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$



When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that



$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$



Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$



Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks!







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    The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
    – uniquesolution
    Aug 10 at 21:11






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    Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
    – Bernard
    Aug 10 at 21:30










  • Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
    – Karido
    Aug 10 at 22:51















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I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:



enter image description here



In the end I want to reach the form:



$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$



starting with the formula for similar triangles:



$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$



When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that



$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$



Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$



Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks!







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  • 1




    The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
    – uniquesolution
    Aug 10 at 21:11






  • 2




    Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
    – Bernard
    Aug 10 at 21:30










  • Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
    – Karido
    Aug 10 at 22:51













up vote
4
down vote

favorite









up vote
4
down vote

favorite











I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:



enter image description here



In the end I want to reach the form:



$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$



starting with the formula for similar triangles:



$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$



When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that



$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$



Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$



Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks!







share|cite|improve this question














I think this is a bit odd but I am juggling since hours with $sin$, $cos$, $tan$ and other stuff to proof a formula, but I can't do it. Slowly I am thinking that this formula is wrong. Maybe there is some expert who could tell me if I am right. I have the following problem:



enter image description here



In the end I want to reach the form:



$$
L_BC = fracL_ACcosalpha - L_AC'sinalpha
$$



starting with the formula for similar triangles:



$$
fracL_ACsintheta = fracL_AC'sin( theta - alpha )
$$



When I combine these two formulas I come to the point that



$$
L_BC = L_AC' fraccosthetasin(theta - alpha)
$$



Now I don't see any way to replace $ theta $ so that I am only dependent on the known variables:
$$
L_AC hspace1cm L_AC' hspace1cm alpha
$$



Also expanding the fractions with sin / cos brings me to an deadend. Am I not seeing an obvious connection in these triangles or is there really something wrong about the formula?
To make the actual question more clear: I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$! And yes, we have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks!









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  • 1




    The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
    – uniquesolution
    Aug 10 at 21:11






  • 2




    Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
    – Bernard
    Aug 10 at 21:30










  • Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
    – Karido
    Aug 10 at 22:51













  • 1




    The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
    – uniquesolution
    Aug 10 at 21:11






  • 2




    Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
    – Bernard
    Aug 10 at 21:30










  • Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
    – Karido
    Aug 10 at 22:51








1




1




The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
– uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11




The link shows a picture of triangle. Nice. What is the problem?
– uniquesolution
Aug 10 at 21:11




2




2




Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
– Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30




Welcome to Maths SX! Do we have $;L_AB=L_AB'$?
– Bernard
Aug 10 at 21:30












Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
– Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51





Yes. I didn't mention that clearly. We have $L_AB=L_AB′$! Thanks! I want to calculate $L_BC$ using only $alpha$ , $L_AC'$ and $L_AC$!
– Karido
Aug 10 at 22:51











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Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
then
$$ BC = xcostheta
\AC = xsintheta $$



And
$$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
\ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
\AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
$$






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  • Elegant and concise! (+1)
    – Robert Howard
    Aug 10 at 21:55










  • Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
    – Karido
    Aug 10 at 23:25

















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I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$



In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$



And, you are trying to show.



$sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$



Which simplifies to
$cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$



Which is one of your basic trig identities.



and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.






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    Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
    then
    $$ BC = xcostheta
    \AC = xsintheta $$



    And
    $$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
    \ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
    \AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
    $$






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    • Elegant and concise! (+1)
      – Robert Howard
      Aug 10 at 21:55










    • Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
      – Karido
      Aug 10 at 23:25














    up vote
    4
    down vote



    accepted










    Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
    then
    $$ BC = xcostheta
    \AC = xsintheta $$



    And
    $$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
    \ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
    \AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
    $$






    share|cite|improve this answer




















    • Elegant and concise! (+1)
      – Robert Howard
      Aug 10 at 21:55










    • Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
      – Karido
      Aug 10 at 23:25












    up vote
    4
    down vote



    accepted







    up vote
    4
    down vote



    accepted






    Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
    then
    $$ BC = xcostheta
    \AC = xsintheta $$



    And
    $$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
    \ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
    \AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
    $$






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    Let $AB = AB'equiv x$
    then
    $$ BC = xcostheta
    \AC = xsintheta $$



    And
    $$ AC'=x sin(theta-alpha)
    \ implies AC'=xsintheta cosalpha -xcostheta sin alpha
    \AC'= AC cosalpha - BCsinalpha
    $$







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    • Elegant and concise! (+1)
      – Robert Howard
      Aug 10 at 21:55










    • Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
      – Karido
      Aug 10 at 23:25
















    • Elegant and concise! (+1)
      – Robert Howard
      Aug 10 at 21:55










    • Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
      – Karido
      Aug 10 at 23:25















    Elegant and concise! (+1)
    – Robert Howard
    Aug 10 at 21:55




    Elegant and concise! (+1)
    – Robert Howard
    Aug 10 at 21:55












    Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
    – Karido
    Aug 10 at 23:25




    Yep, that's the combination! :) I already used this transformation but didn't find the connection to the begginning ones somehow! ;) Thanks!
    – Karido
    Aug 10 at 23:25










    up vote
    3
    down vote













    I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$



    In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$



    And, you are trying to show.



    $sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$



    Which simplifies to
    $cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$



    Which is one of your basic trig identities.



    and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.






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      up vote
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      I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$



      In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$



      And, you are trying to show.



      $sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$



      Which simplifies to
      $cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$



      Which is one of your basic trig identities.



      and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.






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        I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$



        In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$



        And, you are trying to show.



        $sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$



        Which simplifies to
        $cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$



        Which is one of your basic trig identities.



        and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.






        share|cite|improve this answer












        I am going to guess that $AB = AB'$



        In which case $AC,AC', BC, BC'$ are proportional to $costheta, cos (theta + alpha),sintheta, sin(theta + alpha)$



        And, you are trying to show.



        $sin theta = frac costhetacosalpha - cos (theta+alpha)sinalpha$



        Which simplifies to
        $cos (theta+alpha) = costhetacosalpha - sinthetasinalpha$



        Which is one of your basic trig identities.



        and $ABC$ and $AB'C'$ are not similar triangles and $frac cos thetasin theta = fraccos (theta + alpha)sin (theta - alpha)$ is incorrect.







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