Where did I go wrong with my odd proof that $frac3dx3x = frac5dx5x iff 3=5$?
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I don't know where I went wrong, but it's interesting for me. Please check where my fault is!
It is obvious that the below equation is correct:
$$frac3dx3x=frac5dx5x$$
$$u=3x$$and$$v=5x$$
$$fracduu=fracdvv$$
integrate both sides:
$$ln(u)=ln(v)$$
$$u=v$$
$$3x=5x$$
so,
$$3=5$$
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I don't know where I went wrong, but it's interesting for me. Please check where my fault is!
It is obvious that the below equation is correct:
$$frac3dx3x=frac5dx5x$$
$$u=3x$$and$$v=5x$$
$$fracduu=fracdvv$$
integrate both sides:
$$ln(u)=ln(v)$$
$$u=v$$
$$3x=5x$$
so,
$$3=5$$
calculus fake-proofs
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When you integrate both sides you need your constant of integration. "+C"
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 20:25
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Forgot the constant of integration
â 274072
Aug 10 at 20:25
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An excellent example of the importance of remembering the constant of integration. I will certainly use this as an example when I teach integration ....
â Bruce
Aug 10 at 20:27
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3 does equal 5. ... plus a constant.
â fleablood
Aug 10 at 20:28
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@fleablood In this case multiplied by a constant.
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up vote
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I don't know where I went wrong, but it's interesting for me. Please check where my fault is!
It is obvious that the below equation is correct:
$$frac3dx3x=frac5dx5x$$
$$u=3x$$and$$v=5x$$
$$fracduu=fracdvv$$
integrate both sides:
$$ln(u)=ln(v)$$
$$u=v$$
$$3x=5x$$
so,
$$3=5$$
calculus fake-proofs
I don't know where I went wrong, but it's interesting for me. Please check where my fault is!
It is obvious that the below equation is correct:
$$frac3dx3x=frac5dx5x$$
$$u=3x$$and$$v=5x$$
$$fracduu=fracdvv$$
integrate both sides:
$$ln(u)=ln(v)$$
$$u=v$$
$$3x=5x$$
so,
$$3=5$$
calculus fake-proofs
edited Aug 12 at 20:40
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When you integrate both sides you need your constant of integration. "+C"
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 20:25
2
Forgot the constant of integration
â 274072
Aug 10 at 20:25
24
An excellent example of the importance of remembering the constant of integration. I will certainly use this as an example when I teach integration ....
â Bruce
Aug 10 at 20:27
10
3 does equal 5. ... plus a constant.
â fleablood
Aug 10 at 20:28
14
@fleablood In this case multiplied by a constant.
â Serge Seredenko
Aug 10 at 21:32
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show 2 more comments
9
When you integrate both sides you need your constant of integration. "+C"
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 20:25
2
Forgot the constant of integration
â 274072
Aug 10 at 20:25
24
An excellent example of the importance of remembering the constant of integration. I will certainly use this as an example when I teach integration ....
â Bruce
Aug 10 at 20:27
10
3 does equal 5. ... plus a constant.
â fleablood
Aug 10 at 20:28
14
@fleablood In this case multiplied by a constant.
â Serge Seredenko
Aug 10 at 21:32
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9
When you integrate both sides you need your constant of integration. "+C"
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 20:25
When you integrate both sides you need your constant of integration. "+C"
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 20:25
2
2
Forgot the constant of integration
â 274072
Aug 10 at 20:25
Forgot the constant of integration
â 274072
Aug 10 at 20:25
24
24
An excellent example of the importance of remembering the constant of integration. I will certainly use this as an example when I teach integration ....
â Bruce
Aug 10 at 20:27
An excellent example of the importance of remembering the constant of integration. I will certainly use this as an example when I teach integration ....
â Bruce
Aug 10 at 20:27
10
10
3 does equal 5. ... plus a constant.
â fleablood
Aug 10 at 20:28
3 does equal 5. ... plus a constant.
â fleablood
Aug 10 at 20:28
14
14
@fleablood In this case multiplied by a constant.
â Serge Seredenko
Aug 10 at 21:32
@fleablood In this case multiplied by a constant.
â Serge Seredenko
Aug 10 at 21:32
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Integrating we obtain
$$ln(u)=ln(v)+ C$$
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Where $C = ln u - ln v = ln fracuv$ So, $ln u = ln left(v cdot fracuvright)$, giving us $3 = 5 cdot frac35$..Spelling out what you were implying.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 1:16
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@Davislor I'm not implying nothing! I just gave the answer to the OP that is "I don't know where I went wrong". You are free to add your own answer here below with all the details you like. Morover try to be polite when you formulate any kind of request.
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 6:38
Sorry to have sounded impolite! I just wanted to acknowledge that you were aware of the steps you left out.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 7:22
@Davislor Thanks for the clarification. I would like to proceed as in the answer here below exponentiating both sides to obtain $u=kv$ wiith $k=e^C=3/5$. Let add your own answer if you like to suggest another way. Bye
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 7:33
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If you're taking an indefinite integral, then you need to include constants. Integrating, we get $ln(u)+C_1 = ln(v)+C_2$. We can collect $C_1$ and $C_2$ into one constant by setting $C_3 = C_2-C_1$, getting $ln(u) = ln(v)+C_3$. We can then exponentiate both sides, getting $u=ve^C_3$. Setting $C_4=e^C_3$, this becomes $u=C_4v$. In this case, $C_4$ is $frac35$.
If you're taking definite integrals, you need to include the limits. Suppose we integrate starting from $x = 1$. Then $u$ starts at $3$. So when we integrate $fracduu$, we have $ln(u)$ at the upper limit, but we have to subtract $ln$ of the lower limit, and the lower limit is $3$. So we have that the definite integral is $ln(u)-ln(3)=ln(frac u3)$. Similarly, for $v$, we get that the definite integral is $ln(frac v 5)$. Plugging in $u=3x$ and $v=5x$, we get $ln(frac 3x3)=ln(frac 5x 5)$, which simplifies to $ln(x)=ln(x)$.
After setting $C_3$, the LHS is just $ln(u)$
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Aug 10 at 21:33
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To turn my comment into an answer, your proof is correct up to the step
$$ fracmathrmd uu = fracmathrmd vv $$
At that point, as others have said, you forget to add the constants of integration when you integrate:
$$ ln u + mathrmC_1 = ln v + mathrmC_2 $$
Substituting $mathrmC = mathrmC_2 - mathrmC_1$ gives us:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + mathrmC \
ln u - ln v &= mathrmC \
endalign$$
Substituting for $mathrmC$ in the first equation just gets us $ln u = ln u$, which is clearly no contradiction. A little more interesting, perhaps, is to turn our identity for $mathrmC$, $ln u - ln v$, into $ln fracuv$ and then substitute that into the other equation above to get:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + ln fracuv \
&= ln left( v cdot fracuv right)
endalign$$
Now take the exponential of both sides.
$$beginalign
u &= v cdot fracuv \
3x &= 5x cdot frac3x5x \
3 &= 5 cdot frac35
endalign$$
This is presumably what Serge Seredenko meant when he said in his comment that 3 is equal to 5, âÂÂ[i]n this case multiplied by a constant.âÂÂ
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Integrating we obtain
$$ln(u)=ln(v)+ C$$
1
Where $C = ln u - ln v = ln fracuv$ So, $ln u = ln left(v cdot fracuvright)$, giving us $3 = 5 cdot frac35$..Spelling out what you were implying.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 1:16
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@Davislor I'm not implying nothing! I just gave the answer to the OP that is "I don't know where I went wrong". You are free to add your own answer here below with all the details you like. Morover try to be polite when you formulate any kind of request.
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 6:38
Sorry to have sounded impolite! I just wanted to acknowledge that you were aware of the steps you left out.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 7:22
@Davislor Thanks for the clarification. I would like to proceed as in the answer here below exponentiating both sides to obtain $u=kv$ wiith $k=e^C=3/5$. Let add your own answer if you like to suggest another way. Bye
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 7:33
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Integrating we obtain
$$ln(u)=ln(v)+ C$$
1
Where $C = ln u - ln v = ln fracuv$ So, $ln u = ln left(v cdot fracuvright)$, giving us $3 = 5 cdot frac35$..Spelling out what you were implying.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 1:16
2
@Davislor I'm not implying nothing! I just gave the answer to the OP that is "I don't know where I went wrong". You are free to add your own answer here below with all the details you like. Morover try to be polite when you formulate any kind of request.
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 6:38
Sorry to have sounded impolite! I just wanted to acknowledge that you were aware of the steps you left out.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 7:22
@Davislor Thanks for the clarification. I would like to proceed as in the answer here below exponentiating both sides to obtain $u=kv$ wiith $k=e^C=3/5$. Let add your own answer if you like to suggest another way. Bye
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 7:33
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Integrating we obtain
$$ln(u)=ln(v)+ C$$
Integrating we obtain
$$ln(u)=ln(v)+ C$$
answered Aug 10 at 20:24
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Where $C = ln u - ln v = ln fracuv$ So, $ln u = ln left(v cdot fracuvright)$, giving us $3 = 5 cdot frac35$..Spelling out what you were implying.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 1:16
2
@Davislor I'm not implying nothing! I just gave the answer to the OP that is "I don't know where I went wrong". You are free to add your own answer here below with all the details you like. Morover try to be polite when you formulate any kind of request.
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 6:38
Sorry to have sounded impolite! I just wanted to acknowledge that you were aware of the steps you left out.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 7:22
@Davislor Thanks for the clarification. I would like to proceed as in the answer here below exponentiating both sides to obtain $u=kv$ wiith $k=e^C=3/5$. Let add your own answer if you like to suggest another way. Bye
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 7:33
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Where $C = ln u - ln v = ln fracuv$ So, $ln u = ln left(v cdot fracuvright)$, giving us $3 = 5 cdot frac35$..Spelling out what you were implying.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 1:16
2
@Davislor I'm not implying nothing! I just gave the answer to the OP that is "I don't know where I went wrong". You are free to add your own answer here below with all the details you like. Morover try to be polite when you formulate any kind of request.
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 6:38
Sorry to have sounded impolite! I just wanted to acknowledge that you were aware of the steps you left out.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 7:22
@Davislor Thanks for the clarification. I would like to proceed as in the answer here below exponentiating both sides to obtain $u=kv$ wiith $k=e^C=3/5$. Let add your own answer if you like to suggest another way. Bye
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 7:33
1
1
Where $C = ln u - ln v = ln fracuv$ So, $ln u = ln left(v cdot fracuvright)$, giving us $3 = 5 cdot frac35$..Spelling out what you were implying.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 1:16
Where $C = ln u - ln v = ln fracuv$ So, $ln u = ln left(v cdot fracuvright)$, giving us $3 = 5 cdot frac35$..Spelling out what you were implying.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 1:16
2
2
@Davislor I'm not implying nothing! I just gave the answer to the OP that is "I don't know where I went wrong". You are free to add your own answer here below with all the details you like. Morover try to be polite when you formulate any kind of request.
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 6:38
@Davislor I'm not implying nothing! I just gave the answer to the OP that is "I don't know where I went wrong". You are free to add your own answer here below with all the details you like. Morover try to be polite when you formulate any kind of request.
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 6:38
Sorry to have sounded impolite! I just wanted to acknowledge that you were aware of the steps you left out.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 7:22
Sorry to have sounded impolite! I just wanted to acknowledge that you were aware of the steps you left out.
â Davislor
Aug 11 at 7:22
@Davislor Thanks for the clarification. I would like to proceed as in the answer here below exponentiating both sides to obtain $u=kv$ wiith $k=e^C=3/5$. Let add your own answer if you like to suggest another way. Bye
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 7:33
@Davislor Thanks for the clarification. I would like to proceed as in the answer here below exponentiating both sides to obtain $u=kv$ wiith $k=e^C=3/5$. Let add your own answer if you like to suggest another way. Bye
â gimusi
Aug 11 at 7:33
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If you're taking an indefinite integral, then you need to include constants. Integrating, we get $ln(u)+C_1 = ln(v)+C_2$. We can collect $C_1$ and $C_2$ into one constant by setting $C_3 = C_2-C_1$, getting $ln(u) = ln(v)+C_3$. We can then exponentiate both sides, getting $u=ve^C_3$. Setting $C_4=e^C_3$, this becomes $u=C_4v$. In this case, $C_4$ is $frac35$.
If you're taking definite integrals, you need to include the limits. Suppose we integrate starting from $x = 1$. Then $u$ starts at $3$. So when we integrate $fracduu$, we have $ln(u)$ at the upper limit, but we have to subtract $ln$ of the lower limit, and the lower limit is $3$. So we have that the definite integral is $ln(u)-ln(3)=ln(frac u3)$. Similarly, for $v$, we get that the definite integral is $ln(frac v 5)$. Plugging in $u=3x$ and $v=5x$, we get $ln(frac 3x3)=ln(frac 5x 5)$, which simplifies to $ln(x)=ln(x)$.
After setting $C_3$, the LHS is just $ln(u)$
â CDspace
Aug 10 at 21:33
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If you're taking an indefinite integral, then you need to include constants. Integrating, we get $ln(u)+C_1 = ln(v)+C_2$. We can collect $C_1$ and $C_2$ into one constant by setting $C_3 = C_2-C_1$, getting $ln(u) = ln(v)+C_3$. We can then exponentiate both sides, getting $u=ve^C_3$. Setting $C_4=e^C_3$, this becomes $u=C_4v$. In this case, $C_4$ is $frac35$.
If you're taking definite integrals, you need to include the limits. Suppose we integrate starting from $x = 1$. Then $u$ starts at $3$. So when we integrate $fracduu$, we have $ln(u)$ at the upper limit, but we have to subtract $ln$ of the lower limit, and the lower limit is $3$. So we have that the definite integral is $ln(u)-ln(3)=ln(frac u3)$. Similarly, for $v$, we get that the definite integral is $ln(frac v 5)$. Plugging in $u=3x$ and $v=5x$, we get $ln(frac 3x3)=ln(frac 5x 5)$, which simplifies to $ln(x)=ln(x)$.
After setting $C_3$, the LHS is just $ln(u)$
â CDspace
Aug 10 at 21:33
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If you're taking an indefinite integral, then you need to include constants. Integrating, we get $ln(u)+C_1 = ln(v)+C_2$. We can collect $C_1$ and $C_2$ into one constant by setting $C_3 = C_2-C_1$, getting $ln(u) = ln(v)+C_3$. We can then exponentiate both sides, getting $u=ve^C_3$. Setting $C_4=e^C_3$, this becomes $u=C_4v$. In this case, $C_4$ is $frac35$.
If you're taking definite integrals, you need to include the limits. Suppose we integrate starting from $x = 1$. Then $u$ starts at $3$. So when we integrate $fracduu$, we have $ln(u)$ at the upper limit, but we have to subtract $ln$ of the lower limit, and the lower limit is $3$. So we have that the definite integral is $ln(u)-ln(3)=ln(frac u3)$. Similarly, for $v$, we get that the definite integral is $ln(frac v 5)$. Plugging in $u=3x$ and $v=5x$, we get $ln(frac 3x3)=ln(frac 5x 5)$, which simplifies to $ln(x)=ln(x)$.
If you're taking an indefinite integral, then you need to include constants. Integrating, we get $ln(u)+C_1 = ln(v)+C_2$. We can collect $C_1$ and $C_2$ into one constant by setting $C_3 = C_2-C_1$, getting $ln(u) = ln(v)+C_3$. We can then exponentiate both sides, getting $u=ve^C_3$. Setting $C_4=e^C_3$, this becomes $u=C_4v$. In this case, $C_4$ is $frac35$.
If you're taking definite integrals, you need to include the limits. Suppose we integrate starting from $x = 1$. Then $u$ starts at $3$. So when we integrate $fracduu$, we have $ln(u)$ at the upper limit, but we have to subtract $ln$ of the lower limit, and the lower limit is $3$. So we have that the definite integral is $ln(u)-ln(3)=ln(frac u3)$. Similarly, for $v$, we get that the definite integral is $ln(frac v 5)$. Plugging in $u=3x$ and $v=5x$, we get $ln(frac 3x3)=ln(frac 5x 5)$, which simplifies to $ln(x)=ln(x)$.
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After setting $C_3$, the LHS is just $ln(u)$
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After setting $C_3$, the LHS is just $ln(u)$
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After setting $C_3$, the LHS is just $ln(u)$
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After setting $C_3$, the LHS is just $ln(u)$
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To turn my comment into an answer, your proof is correct up to the step
$$ fracmathrmd uu = fracmathrmd vv $$
At that point, as others have said, you forget to add the constants of integration when you integrate:
$$ ln u + mathrmC_1 = ln v + mathrmC_2 $$
Substituting $mathrmC = mathrmC_2 - mathrmC_1$ gives us:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + mathrmC \
ln u - ln v &= mathrmC \
endalign$$
Substituting for $mathrmC$ in the first equation just gets us $ln u = ln u$, which is clearly no contradiction. A little more interesting, perhaps, is to turn our identity for $mathrmC$, $ln u - ln v$, into $ln fracuv$ and then substitute that into the other equation above to get:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + ln fracuv \
&= ln left( v cdot fracuv right)
endalign$$
Now take the exponential of both sides.
$$beginalign
u &= v cdot fracuv \
3x &= 5x cdot frac3x5x \
3 &= 5 cdot frac35
endalign$$
This is presumably what Serge Seredenko meant when he said in his comment that 3 is equal to 5, âÂÂ[i]n this case multiplied by a constant.âÂÂ
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
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To turn my comment into an answer, your proof is correct up to the step
$$ fracmathrmd uu = fracmathrmd vv $$
At that point, as others have said, you forget to add the constants of integration when you integrate:
$$ ln u + mathrmC_1 = ln v + mathrmC_2 $$
Substituting $mathrmC = mathrmC_2 - mathrmC_1$ gives us:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + mathrmC \
ln u - ln v &= mathrmC \
endalign$$
Substituting for $mathrmC$ in the first equation just gets us $ln u = ln u$, which is clearly no contradiction. A little more interesting, perhaps, is to turn our identity for $mathrmC$, $ln u - ln v$, into $ln fracuv$ and then substitute that into the other equation above to get:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + ln fracuv \
&= ln left( v cdot fracuv right)
endalign$$
Now take the exponential of both sides.
$$beginalign
u &= v cdot fracuv \
3x &= 5x cdot frac3x5x \
3 &= 5 cdot frac35
endalign$$
This is presumably what Serge Seredenko meant when he said in his comment that 3 is equal to 5, âÂÂ[i]n this case multiplied by a constant.âÂÂ
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
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To turn my comment into an answer, your proof is correct up to the step
$$ fracmathrmd uu = fracmathrmd vv $$
At that point, as others have said, you forget to add the constants of integration when you integrate:
$$ ln u + mathrmC_1 = ln v + mathrmC_2 $$
Substituting $mathrmC = mathrmC_2 - mathrmC_1$ gives us:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + mathrmC \
ln u - ln v &= mathrmC \
endalign$$
Substituting for $mathrmC$ in the first equation just gets us $ln u = ln u$, which is clearly no contradiction. A little more interesting, perhaps, is to turn our identity for $mathrmC$, $ln u - ln v$, into $ln fracuv$ and then substitute that into the other equation above to get:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + ln fracuv \
&= ln left( v cdot fracuv right)
endalign$$
Now take the exponential of both sides.
$$beginalign
u &= v cdot fracuv \
3x &= 5x cdot frac3x5x \
3 &= 5 cdot frac35
endalign$$
This is presumably what Serge Seredenko meant when he said in his comment that 3 is equal to 5, âÂÂ[i]n this case multiplied by a constant.âÂÂ
To turn my comment into an answer, your proof is correct up to the step
$$ fracmathrmd uu = fracmathrmd vv $$
At that point, as others have said, you forget to add the constants of integration when you integrate:
$$ ln u + mathrmC_1 = ln v + mathrmC_2 $$
Substituting $mathrmC = mathrmC_2 - mathrmC_1$ gives us:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + mathrmC \
ln u - ln v &= mathrmC \
endalign$$
Substituting for $mathrmC$ in the first equation just gets us $ln u = ln u$, which is clearly no contradiction. A little more interesting, perhaps, is to turn our identity for $mathrmC$, $ln u - ln v$, into $ln fracuv$ and then substitute that into the other equation above to get:
$$beginalign
ln u &= ln v + ln fracuv \
&= ln left( v cdot fracuv right)
endalign$$
Now take the exponential of both sides.
$$beginalign
u &= v cdot fracuv \
3x &= 5x cdot frac3x5x \
3 &= 5 cdot frac35
endalign$$
This is presumably what Serge Seredenko meant when he said in his comment that 3 is equal to 5, âÂÂ[i]n this case multiplied by a constant.âÂÂ
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When you integrate both sides you need your constant of integration. "+C"
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 20:25
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Forgot the constant of integration
â 274072
Aug 10 at 20:25
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An excellent example of the importance of remembering the constant of integration. I will certainly use this as an example when I teach integration ....
â Bruce
Aug 10 at 20:27
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3 does equal 5. ... plus a constant.
â fleablood
Aug 10 at 20:28
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@fleablood In this case multiplied by a constant.
â Serge Seredenko
Aug 10 at 21:32