Instantaneous rate of change of the volume of a cone with respect to the radius, if the height is fixed

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My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.



The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."



I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac2pi a H3$.



Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.







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    My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.



    The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."



    I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac2pi a H3$.



    Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.







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      My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.



      The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."



      I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac2pi a H3$.



      Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.







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      My teacher has not taught us derivatives yet, so I need to solve this without their use.



      The problem states: "Find the instantaneous rate of change of the volume $V=frac 13pi r^2 H$ of a cone with respect to the radius $r$ at $r=a$ if the height $H$ does not change."



      I've already rearranged the problem into difference quotient form. According to the book and a calculator I found online the answer is $dfrac2pi a H3$.



      Help would be very much appreciated as my test is coming up soon.









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          The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
          beginalign
          lim_h to 0 fracfrac13pi (r+h)^2H-frac13pi r^2Hh&=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac(r+h)^2-r^2hright]\
          &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0fracr^2+2rh+h^2-r^2hright]\
          &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac2rh+h^2hright]\
          &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto02r+hright]\
          &=frac2pi r H3\
          endalign
          So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
          $$frac2pi a H3$$






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            The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $fracfrac13r_1^2H- frac13r^2Hr_1- r_2= frac13Hfracr_1^2- r_2^2r_1- r^2$.



            Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac13Hfrac-h(1+ h)-h$.



            The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.






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            • Shouldn't it be $$frac13Hfracr_1^2-r_2^2r_1-r_2$$?
              – Hrhm
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            • Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
              – user247327
              Sep 17 '16 at 23:57

















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            $$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$



            when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.



            $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi r H$$



            At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to



            $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi a H $$






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              The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
              beginalign
              lim_h to 0 fracfrac13pi (r+h)^2H-frac13pi r^2Hh&=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac(r+h)^2-r^2hright]\
              &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0fracr^2+2rh+h^2-r^2hright]\
              &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac2rh+h^2hright]\
              &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto02r+hright]\
              &=frac2pi r H3\
              endalign
              So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
              $$frac2pi a H3$$






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                The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
                beginalign
                lim_h to 0 fracfrac13pi (r+h)^2H-frac13pi r^2Hh&=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac(r+h)^2-r^2hright]\
                &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0fracr^2+2rh+h^2-r^2hright]\
                &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac2rh+h^2hright]\
                &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto02r+hright]\
                &=frac2pi r H3\
                endalign
                So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
                $$frac2pi a H3$$






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                  The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
                  beginalign
                  lim_h to 0 fracfrac13pi (r+h)^2H-frac13pi r^2Hh&=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac(r+h)^2-r^2hright]\
                  &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0fracr^2+2rh+h^2-r^2hright]\
                  &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac2rh+h^2hright]\
                  &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto02r+hright]\
                  &=frac2pi r H3\
                  endalign
                  So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
                  $$frac2pi a H3$$






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                  The instantaneous rate of change with respect to $r$ is equal to the following:
                  beginalign
                  lim_h to 0 fracfrac13pi (r+h)^2H-frac13pi r^2Hh&=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac(r+h)^2-r^2hright]\
                  &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0fracr^2+2rh+h^2-r^2hright]\
                  &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto0frac2rh+h^2hright]\
                  &=fracpi H3left[lim_hto02r+hright]\
                  &=frac2pi r H3\
                  endalign
                  So, when $r=a$, the instantaneous rate of change is
                  $$frac2pi a H3$$







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                      The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $fracfrac13r_1^2H- frac13r^2Hr_1- r_2= frac13Hfracr_1^2- r_2^2r_1- r^2$.



                      Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac13Hfrac-h(1+ h)-h$.



                      The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.






                      share|cite|improve this answer




















                      • Shouldn't it be $$frac13Hfracr_1^2-r_2^2r_1-r_2$$?
                        – Hrhm
                        Sep 17 '16 at 22:14










                      • Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
                        – user247327
                        Sep 17 '16 at 23:57














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                      The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $fracfrac13r_1^2H- frac13r^2Hr_1- r_2= frac13Hfracr_1^2- r_2^2r_1- r^2$.



                      Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac13Hfrac-h(1+ h)-h$.



                      The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.






                      share|cite|improve this answer




















                      • Shouldn't it be $$frac13Hfracr_1^2-r_2^2r_1-r_2$$?
                        – Hrhm
                        Sep 17 '16 at 22:14










                      • Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
                        – user247327
                        Sep 17 '16 at 23:57












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                      The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $fracfrac13r_1^2H- frac13r^2Hr_1- r_2= frac13Hfracr_1^2- r_2^2r_1- r^2$.



                      Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac13Hfrac-h(1+ h)-h$.



                      The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.






                      share|cite|improve this answer












                      The difference quotient, between, say, $r= r_1$ and $r= r_2$ is $fracfrac13r_1^2H- frac13r^2Hr_1- r_2= frac13Hfracr_1^2- r_2^2r_1- r^2$.



                      Some people prefer to use $r_1= 1$ and $r_2= r+ h$. In that case, $r_1^2- r_2^2= r_1^2- r_1^2- 2r_1h- h^2= -h(r_1+ h)$ and $r_1- r_2= r_1- r_1- h$= -h so the difference quotient is $frac13Hfrac-h(1+ h)-h$.



                      The "instantaneous rate of change" is the imit of those as $r_2$ goes to $r_1$ or as h goes to 0.







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                      answered Sep 17 '16 at 22:07









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                      • Shouldn't it be $$frac13Hfracr_1^2-r_2^2r_1-r_2$$?
                        – Hrhm
                        Sep 17 '16 at 22:14










                      • Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
                        – user247327
                        Sep 17 '16 at 23:57
















                      • Shouldn't it be $$frac13Hfracr_1^2-r_2^2r_1-r_2$$?
                        – Hrhm
                        Sep 17 '16 at 22:14










                      • Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
                        – user247327
                        Sep 17 '16 at 23:57















                      Shouldn't it be $$frac13Hfracr_1^2-r_2^2r_1-r_2$$?
                      – Hrhm
                      Sep 17 '16 at 22:14




                      Shouldn't it be $$frac13Hfracr_1^2-r_2^2r_1-r_2$$?
                      – Hrhm
                      Sep 17 '16 at 22:14












                      Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
                      – user247327
                      Sep 17 '16 at 23:57




                      Yes, I accidently had the subscript, $r_2$, as a superscript, $r^2$.
                      – user247327
                      Sep 17 '16 at 23:57










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                      $$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$



                      when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.



                      $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi r H$$



                      At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to



                      $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi a H $$






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                        $$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$



                        when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.



                        $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi r H$$



                        At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to



                        $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi a H $$






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                          $$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$



                          when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.



                          $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi r H$$



                          At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to



                          $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi a H $$






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                          $$V=frac 13pi r^2 H$$



                          when $H$ is constant it means you are partially differentiating w.r.t. $r,$ leaving $H$ alone, i.e., as a constant.



                          $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi r H$$



                          At $r=a$ the d.c. evaluates to



                          $$fracdVdr=frac 23pi a H $$







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