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A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
$x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$
Calculate the period of the motion of P.
So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$
That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.
Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?
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A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
$x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$
Calculate the period of the motion of P.
So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$
That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.
Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?
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A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
$x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$
Calculate the period of the motion of P.
So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$
That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.
Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?
algebra-precalculus trigonometry parametric harmonic-functions periodic-functions
A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
$x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$
Calculate the period of the motion of P.
So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$
That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.
Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?
algebra-precalculus trigonometry parametric harmonic-functions periodic-functions
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As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.
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at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
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If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.
If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
$x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
$P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.
But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
So you have completed one full period.
You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.
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We need that
- $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
T_1=frac23 hpi$ - $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$
then
$$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$
that is
$$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
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active
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active
oldest
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active
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2
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As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.
1
at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 22:07
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2
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As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.
1
at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 22:07
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up vote
2
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up vote
2
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As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.
As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.
answered Aug 10 at 21:39
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at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 22:07
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1
at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 22:07
1
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at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 22:07
at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
â Doug M
Aug 10 at 22:07
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If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.
If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
$x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
$P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.
But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
So you have completed one full period.
You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.
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up vote
1
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If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.
If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
$x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
$P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.
But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
So you have completed one full period.
You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.
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1
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up vote
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If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.
If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
$x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
$P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.
But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
So you have completed one full period.
You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.
If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.
If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
$x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
$P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.
But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
So you have completed one full period.
You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.
answered Aug 10 at 21:42
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We need that
- $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
T_1=frac23 hpi$ - $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$
then
$$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$
that is
$$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$
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up vote
-1
down vote
We need that
- $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
T_1=frac23 hpi$ - $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$
then
$$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$
that is
$$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$
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up vote
-1
down vote
up vote
-1
down vote
We need that
- $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
T_1=frac23 hpi$ - $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$
then
$$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$
that is
$$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$
We need that
- $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
T_1=frac23 hpi$ - $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$
then
$$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$
that is
$$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$
answered Aug 10 at 21:52
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