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A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
$x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$



Calculate the period of the motion of P.




So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$



That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.



Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?







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    A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
    $x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$



    Calculate the period of the motion of P.




    So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$



    That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.



    Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?







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      A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
      $x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$



      Calculate the period of the motion of P.




      So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$



      That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.



      Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?







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      A point P runs through a curve K given by the parametric representation:
      $x(t)=sin(3x)$ and $y(t)=cos(2x)$



      Calculate the period of the motion of P.




      So I can't really figure out how to solve this. I know that calculating the period of a trigonometric function would go by: $frac2pic$



      That means we get the period $frac2pi3$ for $x(t)$ and $frac2pi2$ for $y(t)$.



      Somehow the answer is $2pi$ and I don't get how. Any idea guys?









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          As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.






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            at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
            – Doug M
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          If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
          then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
          But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.



          If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
          then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
          $x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
          $P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.



          But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
          and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
          So you have completed one full period.
          You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
          so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.






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            We need that



            • $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
              T_1=frac23 hpi$

            • $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$

            then



            $$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$



            that is



            $$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$






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              As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.






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                at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
                – Doug M
                Aug 10 at 22:07















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              accepted










              As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.






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              • 1




                at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
                – Doug M
                Aug 10 at 22:07













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              up vote
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              As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.






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              As you stated, the periods of motion in the $x$ and $y$ direction are different. So after $frac2pi3$, while the $x$ co-ordinate is back to the same value, the $y$ co-ordinate is not. What they are asking you for is the period of the total motion around the curve, which is when the $x$ and $y$ co-ordinates have rotated back to the same co-ordinate from which they started. This is found by finding the lowest common multiple of the two periods you have computed. This gives $2pi$.







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                at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
                – Doug M
                Aug 10 at 22:07













              • 1




                at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
                – Doug M
                Aug 10 at 22:07








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              at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
              – Doug M
              Aug 10 at 22:07





              at $t = pi$ the curve returns to the same coordinate (0,1) at they stared, however the direction of $x,$ is reversed, so $x(0.1) ne x(pi + 0.1)$ and the solution is not periodic with period $pi$
              – Doug M
              Aug 10 at 22:07











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              If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
              then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
              But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.



              If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
              then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
              $x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
              $P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.



              But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
              and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
              So you have completed one full period.
              You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
              so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.






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                If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
                then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
                But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.



                If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
                then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
                $x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
                $P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.



                But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
                and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
                So you have completed one full period.
                You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
                so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.






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                  If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
                  then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
                  But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.



                  If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
                  then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
                  $x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
                  $P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.



                  But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
                  and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
                  So you have completed one full period.
                  You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
                  so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  If $t$ goes from $0$ to $frac2pi3,$
                  then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ goes through one full cycle and is ready to repeat.
                  But at $t = frac2pi3,$ $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is only partway through a cycle, so $P$ has not returned to its starting point and it cannot have completed its full period.



                  If you instead go to $t = frac2pi2$,
                  then $y(t) = cos(2t)$ is at the start of a new cycle but
                  $x(t) = sin(3t)$ is just halfway through a cycle.
                  $P$ is at its starting point (coincidentally) but going in a different direction than at the start, so it is not at the end of a period.



                  But if you go to $t = 2pi,$ then $x(t) = sin(3t)$ will have completed $3$ periods exactly and $y(t) = cos(2t)$ will have completed $2$ periods exactly,
                  and everything is ready to repeat exactly as before.
                  So you have completed one full period.
                  You don't get to this condition anytime between $t= 0$ and $t = 2pi,$
                  so $2pi$ is the smallest possible period.







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                      We need that



                      • $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
                        T_1=frac23 hpi$

                      • $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$

                      then



                      $$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$



                      that is



                      $$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$






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                        up vote
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                        down vote













                        We need that



                        • $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
                          T_1=frac23 hpi$

                        • $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$

                        then



                        $$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$



                        that is



                        $$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$






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                          up vote
                          -1
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                          up vote
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                          down vote









                          We need that



                          • $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
                            T_1=frac23 hpi$

                          • $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$

                          then



                          $$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$



                          that is



                          $$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$






                          share|cite|improve this answer












                          We need that



                          • $x(t+T_1)=sin(3t+3T_1)=sin (3t)implies 3T_1=2hpi implies
                            T_1=frac23 hpi$

                          • $y(t+T_2)=cos(2t+2T_2)=cos(2t)implies 2T_2=2jpiimplies T_2=jpi$

                          then



                          $$T_1=T_2implies frac23 h=j implies h=3k quadland quad h=2k $$



                          that is



                          $$T_1=T_2=2pi cdot k implies T=2pi$$







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