Integral $intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$.
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$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$
This is the original formula.
I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $
So assuming I'm right then...
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have
$$-frac14frac36+C$$
However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?
calculus integration indefinite-integrals trigonometric-integrals
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$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$
This is the original formula.
I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $
So assuming I'm right then...
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have
$$-frac14frac36+C$$
However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?
calculus integration indefinite-integrals trigonometric-integrals
Could you show your work about getting your result?
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01
I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05
Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08
I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
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Aug 11 at 5:22
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$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$
This is the original formula.
I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $
So assuming I'm right then...
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have
$$-frac14frac36+C$$
However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?
calculus integration indefinite-integrals trigonometric-integrals
$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$
This is the original formula.
I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $
So assuming I'm right then...
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have
$$-frac14frac36+C$$
However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?
calculus integration indefinite-integrals trigonometric-integrals
edited Aug 14 at 8:10
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Could you show your work about getting your result?
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01
I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05
Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08
I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:22
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Could you show your work about getting your result?
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01
I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05
Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08
I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:22
Could you show your work about getting your result?
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01
Could you show your work about getting your result?
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01
I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05
I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05
Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08
Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08
I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:22
I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:22
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$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
put $$tan(u)=t$$
thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
$$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
$$fract^312+C$$
$$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
$$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$
All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:09
@DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
â Toby Mak
Aug 11 at 7:43
how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 12 at 4:38
@DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
â Toby Mak
Aug 14 at 8:16
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Quick method:
$$
int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
$$
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Hint:
$$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
Now let $tan u=w$.
Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:06
It's the simplest!
â Nosrati
Aug 11 at 5:07
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
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up vote
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accepted
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
put $$tan(u)=t$$
thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
$$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
$$fract^312+C$$
$$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
$$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$
All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:09
@DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
â Toby Mak
Aug 11 at 7:43
how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 12 at 4:38
@DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
â Toby Mak
Aug 14 at 8:16
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
put $$tan(u)=t$$
thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
$$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
$$fract^312+C$$
$$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
$$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$
All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:09
@DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
â Toby Mak
Aug 11 at 7:43
how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 12 at 4:38
@DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
â Toby Mak
Aug 14 at 8:16
add a comment |Â
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
up vote
4
down vote
accepted
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
put $$tan(u)=t$$
thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
$$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
$$fract^312+C$$
$$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
$$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$
$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
put $$tan(u)=t$$
thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
$$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
$$fract^312+C$$
$$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
$$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$
edited Aug 13 at 20:51
Robert Howard
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answered Aug 11 at 5:04
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All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:09
@DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
â Toby Mak
Aug 11 at 7:43
how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 12 at 4:38
@DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
â Toby Mak
Aug 14 at 8:16
add a comment |Â
All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:09
@DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
â Toby Mak
Aug 11 at 7:43
how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 12 at 4:38
@DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
â Toby Mak
Aug 14 at 8:16
All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:09
All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:09
@DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
â Toby Mak
Aug 11 at 7:43
@DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
â Toby Mak
Aug 11 at 7:43
how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 12 at 4:38
how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 12 at 4:38
@DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
â Toby Mak
Aug 14 at 8:16
@DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
â Toby Mak
Aug 14 at 8:16
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
Quick method:
$$
int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
$$
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up vote
2
down vote
Quick method:
$$
int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
$$
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up vote
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Quick method:
$$
int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
$$
Quick method:
$$
int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
$$
answered Aug 11 at 5:05
xbh
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Hint:
$$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
Now let $tan u=w$.
Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:06
It's the simplest!
â Nosrati
Aug 11 at 5:07
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
Hint:
$$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
Now let $tan u=w$.
Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:06
It's the simplest!
â Nosrati
Aug 11 at 5:07
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
Hint:
$$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
Now let $tan u=w$.
Hint:
$$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
Now let $tan u=w$.
answered Aug 11 at 5:02
Nosrati
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Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:06
It's the simplest!
â Nosrati
Aug 11 at 5:07
add a comment |Â
Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:06
It's the simplest!
â Nosrati
Aug 11 at 5:07
Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:06
Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:06
It's the simplest!
â Nosrati
Aug 11 at 5:07
It's the simplest!
â Nosrati
Aug 11 at 5:07
add a comment |Â
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Could you show your work about getting your result?
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01
I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05
Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
â xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08
I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
â Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:22