Integral $intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$.

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$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$



This is the original formula.



I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $



So assuming I'm right then...



$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$



So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have



$$-frac14frac36+C$$



However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?







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  • I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
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  • Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
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  • I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:22














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$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$



This is the original formula.



I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $



So assuming I'm right then...



$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$



So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have



$$-frac14frac36+C$$



However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?







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  • Could you show your work about getting your result?
    – xbh
    Aug 11 at 5:01










  • I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:05










  • Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
    – xbh
    Aug 11 at 5:08










  • I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:22












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$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$



This is the original formula.



I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $



So assuming I'm right then...



$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$



So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have



$$-frac14frac36+C$$



However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?







share|cite|improve this question














$$intsec^2(4x)tan^2(4x),mathrmdx$$



This is the original formula.



I used a U-substitution $u=4x$ so that means $ fracmathrmdu4=mathrmdx $



So assuming I'm right then...



$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$



So I thought this would mean that after you take the integral you would have



$$-frac14frac36+C$$



However my webwork is telling me my answer is dead wrong. I believe it is because I messed up the product rule... but then I checked on a website but it wouldn't explain its answer with out money. So could some one work out the problem so I can see the proper integral? I am having trouble understanding how I could reverse the product rule. Do I have to use another substitution? Could I do this without substituting the trig function?









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  • Could you show your work about getting your result?
    – xbh
    Aug 11 at 5:01










  • I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:05










  • Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
    – xbh
    Aug 11 at 5:08










  • I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:22
















  • Could you show your work about getting your result?
    – xbh
    Aug 11 at 5:01










  • I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:05










  • Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
    – xbh
    Aug 11 at 5:08










  • I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:22















Could you show your work about getting your result?
– xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01




Could you show your work about getting your result?
– xbh
Aug 11 at 5:01












I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
– Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05




I honestly don't know how to show it any further than I put it in the post. I put exactly what I have written on my paper in this post. Even in the same order exactly.
– Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:05












Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
– xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08




Yeah, but we want know that how did you get your last line from $int sec^2(u)tan^2(u)mathrm du$? You post it then we can help you to point out where you were wrong.
– xbh
Aug 11 at 5:08












I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
– Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:22




I see. I did notice I did not do the product rule. I think I might be kinda confused on how to reverse the product rule.
– Disgruntled Student
Aug 11 at 5:22










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$$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
put $$tan(u)=t$$
thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
$$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
$$fract^312+C$$
$$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
$$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$






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  • All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:09










  • @DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
    – Toby Mak
    Aug 11 at 7:43










  • how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 12 at 4:38










  • @DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
    – Toby Mak
    Aug 14 at 8:16

















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Quick method:



$$
int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
$$






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    Hint:
    $$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
    Now let $tan u=w$.






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    • Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 11 at 5:06










    • It's the simplest!
      – Nosrati
      Aug 11 at 5:07










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    $$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
    put $$tan(u)=t$$
    thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
    $$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
    $$fract^312+C$$
    $$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
    $$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$






    share|cite|improve this answer






















    • All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 11 at 5:09










    • @DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 11 at 7:43










    • how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 12 at 4:38










    • @DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 14 at 8:16














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    $$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
    put $$tan(u)=t$$
    thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
    $$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
    $$fract^312+C$$
    $$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
    $$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$






    share|cite|improve this answer






















    • All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 11 at 5:09










    • @DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 11 at 7:43










    • how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 12 at 4:38










    • @DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 14 at 8:16












    up vote
    4
    down vote



    accepted







    up vote
    4
    down vote



    accepted






    $$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
    put $$tan(u)=t$$
    thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
    $$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
    $$fract^312+C$$
    $$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
    $$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$






    share|cite|improve this answer














    $$frac14intsec^2(u)tan^2(u),mathrmdu$$
    put $$tan(u)=t$$
    thus $$sec^2(u),mathrmdu=mathrmdt$$
    $$frac14int t^2,mathrmdt$$
    $$fract^312+C$$
    $$fractan^3(u)12+C$$
    $$fractan^3(4x)12+C$$







    share|cite|improve this answer














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    edited Aug 13 at 20:51









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    • All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 11 at 5:09










    • @DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 11 at 7:43










    • how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 12 at 4:38










    • @DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 14 at 8:16
















    • All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 11 at 5:09










    • @DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 11 at 7:43










    • how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
      – Disgruntled Student
      Aug 12 at 4:38










    • @DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
      – Toby Mak
      Aug 14 at 8:16















    All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:09




    All I do during the second substitution is to try to manipulate the trig function to be the same as the other trig function in the integral?
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 11 at 5:09












    @DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
    – Toby Mak
    Aug 11 at 7:43




    @DisgruntledStudent You have to make sure $du$ matches as well.
    – Toby Mak
    Aug 11 at 7:43












    how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 12 at 4:38




    how do you not end up with a chain-rule effect with u? wouldn't $dt=sec^2(u)(1)du $ so wouldn't that ruin taking the derivative ?
    – Disgruntled Student
    Aug 12 at 4:38












    @DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
    – Toby Mak
    Aug 14 at 8:16




    @DisgruntledStudent After you substitute, you have to make sure it converts to an integral you know. Polynomials, trigonometric functions like $sin u$, $cos u$, $tan u$ or their inverses/reciprocals are all examples.
    – Toby Mak
    Aug 14 at 8:16










    up vote
    2
    down vote













    Quick method:



    $$
    int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
    $$






    share|cite|improve this answer
























      up vote
      2
      down vote













      Quick method:



      $$
      int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
      $$






      share|cite|improve this answer






















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        Quick method:



        $$
        int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
        $$






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        Quick method:



        $$
        int tan^2(x)sec^2(x) mathrm dx = int tan^2(x) mathrm d(tan (x)) = cdots
        $$







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        answered Aug 11 at 5:05









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            Hint:
            $$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
            Now let $tan u=w$.






            share|cite|improve this answer




















            • Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
              – Disgruntled Student
              Aug 11 at 5:06










            • It's the simplest!
              – Nosrati
              Aug 11 at 5:07














            up vote
            0
            down vote













            Hint:
            $$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
            Now let $tan u=w$.






            share|cite|improve this answer




















            • Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
              – Disgruntled Student
              Aug 11 at 5:06










            • It's the simplest!
              – Nosrati
              Aug 11 at 5:07












            up vote
            0
            down vote










            up vote
            0
            down vote









            Hint:
            $$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
            Now let $tan u=w$.






            share|cite|improve this answer












            Hint:
            $$frac14 int sec^2(u)tan^2(u) du=frac14 int (1+tan^2(u))tan^2(u) du$$
            Now let $tan u=w$.







            share|cite|improve this answer












            share|cite|improve this answer



            share|cite|improve this answer










            answered Aug 11 at 5:02









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            • Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
              – Disgruntled Student
              Aug 11 at 5:06










            • It's the simplest!
              – Nosrati
              Aug 11 at 5:07
















            • Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
              – Disgruntled Student
              Aug 11 at 5:06










            • It's the simplest!
              – Nosrati
              Aug 11 at 5:07















            Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
            – Disgruntled Student
            Aug 11 at 5:06




            Is this my only option? Must I substitute the trig value?
            – Disgruntled Student
            Aug 11 at 5:06












            It's the simplest!
            – Nosrati
            Aug 11 at 5:07




            It's the simplest!
            – Nosrati
            Aug 11 at 5:07












             

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