Homeomorphism of two sets in $BbbR^2$

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Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$




$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)



But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant



Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic



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  • Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:37










  • Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
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Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$




$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)



But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant



Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic



Am I right?







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  • Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:37










  • Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:42












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Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$




$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)



But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant



Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic



Am I right?







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Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$




$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)



But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant



Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic



Am I right?









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  • Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:37










  • Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:42
















  • Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:37










  • Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:42















Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
– Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37




Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
– Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37












Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 4:42




Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 4:42










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  • $A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.


  • $B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.


Guide:



To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,



$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$



Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.



Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,



Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$



We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.



Your proposed solution is more elegant.






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    $f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 16:49






  • 1




    Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 29 at 17:15











  • Thank you sir!.
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 17:31

















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$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).



Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.






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  • you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:28










  • No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:31










  • So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:33










  • No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:35










  • sorry sorry ! I understand
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:36










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  • $A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.


  • $B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.


Guide:



To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,



$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$



Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.



Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,



Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$



We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.



Your proposed solution is more elegant.






share|cite|improve this answer


















  • 1




    $f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 16:49






  • 1




    Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 29 at 17:15











  • Thank you sir!.
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 17:31














up vote
2
down vote



accepted










  • $A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.


  • $B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.


Guide:



To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,



$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$



Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.



Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,



Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$



We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.



Your proposed solution is more elegant.






share|cite|improve this answer


















  • 1




    $f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 16:49






  • 1




    Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 29 at 17:15











  • Thank you sir!.
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 17:31












up vote
2
down vote



accepted







up vote
2
down vote



accepted






  • $A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.


  • $B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.


Guide:



To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,



$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$



Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.



Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,



Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$



We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.



Your proposed solution is more elegant.






share|cite|improve this answer














  • $A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.


  • $B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.


Guide:



To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,



$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$



Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.



Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,



Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$



We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.



Your proposed solution is more elegant.







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answered Aug 29 at 4:33









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  • 1




    $f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 16:49






  • 1




    Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 29 at 17:15











  • Thank you sir!.
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 17:31












  • 1




    $f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 16:49






  • 1




    Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
    – Siong Thye Goh
    Aug 29 at 17:15











  • Thank you sir!.
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 17:31







1




1




$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49




$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49




1




1




Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
– Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15





Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
– Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15













Thank you sir!.
– LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31




Thank you sir!.
– LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31










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$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).



Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.






share|cite|improve this answer




















  • you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:28










  • No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:31










  • So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:33










  • No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:35










  • sorry sorry ! I understand
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:36














up vote
2
down vote













$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).



Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.






share|cite|improve this answer




















  • you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:28










  • No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:31










  • So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:33










  • No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:35










  • sorry sorry ! I understand
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:36












up vote
2
down vote










up vote
2
down vote









$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).



Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.






share|cite|improve this answer












$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).



Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.







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  • you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:28










  • No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:31










  • So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:33










  • No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:35










  • sorry sorry ! I understand
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:36
















  • you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:28










  • No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:31










  • So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:33










  • No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
    – Trevor Gunn
    Aug 29 at 4:35










  • sorry sorry ! I understand
    – LDM
    Aug 29 at 4:36















you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28




you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28












No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
– Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31




No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
– Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31












So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33




So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
– LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33












No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
– Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35




No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
– Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35












sorry sorry ! I understand
– LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36




sorry sorry ! I understand
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