Homeomorphism of two sets in $BbbR^2$

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Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$
$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)
But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant
Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic
Am I right?
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Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$
$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)
But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant
Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic
Am I right?
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Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37
Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
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Aug 29 at 4:42
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Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$
$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)
But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant
Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic
Am I right?
real-analysis
Prove or disprove: $$A=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=0 $$ is homeomorphic to $$B=(x,y) in BbbR^2: x+y geq 0, xy=1 $$
$x+y geq 0$ represents the region above by the line $y=-x$ and together $xy=0$(the axes)
But $B$ represents the same region above by $y=-x$ together with the curve $xy=1$ .But $xy=1$ where $x>0,y>0$ is already covered in $x+y geq 0$ so the remaining portion(the other asymptote) is in the third quadrant
Therefore $B$ is not connected whereas $A$ is connected, so they are not homeomorphic
Am I right?
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Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37
Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:42
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Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37
Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:42
Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37
Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37
Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:42
Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
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$A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.
$B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.
Guide:
To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,
$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$
Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.
Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,
Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$
We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.
Your proposed solution is more elegant.
1
$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49
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Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15
Thank you sir!.
â LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31
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$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).
Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.
you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28
No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31
So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33
No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35
sorry sorry ! I understand
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36
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2 Answers
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$A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.
$B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.
Guide:
To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,
$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$
Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.
Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,
Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$
We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.
Your proposed solution is more elegant.
1
$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49
1
Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15
Thank you sir!.
â LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31
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up vote
2
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$A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.
$B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.
Guide:
To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,
$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$
Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.
Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,
Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$
We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.
Your proposed solution is more elegant.
1
$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49
1
Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15
Thank you sir!.
â LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
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up vote
2
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$A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.
$B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.
Guide:
To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,
$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$
Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.
Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,
Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$
We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.
Your proposed solution is more elegant.
$A$ consists of the positive $x$-axis, positive $y$-axis, and the origin.
$B$ consists of points on the first quadrant that falls on the line $y= frac1x$.
Guide:
To construct a bijection continuous map from $B$ to $A$,
$$g(x,y) = begincases (0, y-x)&, y ge x \ (x-y,0)& x > yendcases$$
Try to construct the corresponding inverse function.
Edit: To find the inverse function for $g$,
Consider the point $(0,y')$, we want to find $(x,y)$ such that $g(x,y)=(0,y')$ where $xy=1$. Hence we have $y-x=y'$ and $xy=1$ which implies $$1-x^2=xy'.$$
We can then solve $x$ using the quadratic formula to obtain the inverse and then find the corresponding $y$.
Your proposed solution is more elegant.
edited Aug 29 at 17:21
answered Aug 29 at 4:33
Siong Thye Goh
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$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49
1
Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15
Thank you sir!.
â LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31
add a comment |Â
1
$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49
1
Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15
Thank you sir!.
â LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31
1
1
$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49
$f^-1(x,0)=Big(x+1,frac1x+1 Big)$ and $f^-1(0,y)=Big(frac1y+1,y+1 Big)$. Is this right sir?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 16:49
1
1
Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15
Not quite, but you constructed the inverse function to another function $$f(x,y) = begincases (0, y-1) &, y ge x \ (x-1, 0) &, y<xendcases$$ which works and in fact more elegant.
â Siong Thye Goh
Aug 29 at 17:15
Thank you sir!.
â LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31
Thank you sir!.
â LDM
Aug 29 at 17:31
add a comment |Â
up vote
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$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).
Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.
you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28
No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31
So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33
No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35
sorry sorry ! I understand
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).
Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.
you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28
No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31
So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33
No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35
sorry sorry ! I understand
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36
add a comment |Â
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up vote
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$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).
Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.
$x+y ge 0, xy = 0$ doesn't mean $x + y ge 0$ or $xy = 0$ it means $x + y ge 0$ and $xy = 0$. The set $A$ is the two positive parts of the $x$ and $y$ axes (an 'L' shape).
Similarly, the set $B$ is the portion of the hyperbola $xy = 1$ contained in the set $x + y ge 0$. Namely, the portion in the first quadrant.
answered Aug 29 at 4:26
Trevor Gunn
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you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28
No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31
So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33
No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35
sorry sorry ! I understand
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36
add a comment |Â
you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28
No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31
So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33
No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35
sorry sorry ! I understand
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36
you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28
you mean the negative axes does't include $A$?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:28
No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31
No, because the negative axes don't satisfy $x + y ge 0$. Both conditions must be satisfied at the same time.
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:31
So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33
So,the sets $A$ and $B$ are the same . Am I right?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:33
No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35
No, because $xy = 0$ and $xy = 1$ are different graphs. These are the two sets. (I use min(x,y) rather than xy because Desmos doesn't plot one of the axes otherwise).
â Trevor Gunn
Aug 29 at 4:35
sorry sorry ! I understand
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36
sorry sorry ! I understand
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:36
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Have you tried to proof that both $A$ and $B$ are homeomorphic to $mathbb R$?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:37
Since $A$ is an $L$ shape figure, map all points on the $x$ axis of $A$ to the corresponding points on $BbbR$ and maps the vertical line of $A$ to the negative axes of $BbbR$ like projection. Is is right for $A$ and $BbbR$ ?
â LDM
Aug 29 at 4:42