Limit as $x to infty$ of $fraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$

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I want to compute $limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$



By graphing it, clearly $x$ grows larger than $log(x)^log(log(x))$, so the limit will go to $0$.



I tried iterating L'Hopital's rule, but after three derivations, the sequence of limits gets successively more complicated.



How can you prove that the limit is indeed $0$?







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  • Maybe a change of variable like $t = log(x)$ would make it a bit easier?
    – xbh
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  • $$log(f(e^z))=log^2 z-zto-infty$$
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 29 at 7:28










  • I think a parentheses should be placed outside the "base" $log$, otherwise to find the limit is relatively easy.
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I want to compute $limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$



By graphing it, clearly $x$ grows larger than $log(x)^log(log(x))$, so the limit will go to $0$.



I tried iterating L'Hopital's rule, but after three derivations, the sequence of limits gets successively more complicated.



How can you prove that the limit is indeed $0$?







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  • Maybe a change of variable like $t = log(x)$ would make it a bit easier?
    – xbh
    Aug 29 at 6:39











  • $$log(f(e^z))=log^2 z-zto-infty$$
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 29 at 7:28










  • I think a parentheses should be placed outside the "base" $log$, otherwise to find the limit is relatively easy.
    – dmtri
    Aug 30 at 5:54












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I want to compute $limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$



By graphing it, clearly $x$ grows larger than $log(x)^log(log(x))$, so the limit will go to $0$.



I tried iterating L'Hopital's rule, but after three derivations, the sequence of limits gets successively more complicated.



How can you prove that the limit is indeed $0$?







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I want to compute $limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$



By graphing it, clearly $x$ grows larger than $log(x)^log(log(x))$, so the limit will go to $0$.



I tried iterating L'Hopital's rule, but after three derivations, the sequence of limits gets successively more complicated.



How can you prove that the limit is indeed $0$?









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  • Maybe a change of variable like $t = log(x)$ would make it a bit easier?
    – xbh
    Aug 29 at 6:39











  • $$log(f(e^z))=log^2 z-zto-infty$$
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 29 at 7:28










  • I think a parentheses should be placed outside the "base" $log$, otherwise to find the limit is relatively easy.
    – dmtri
    Aug 30 at 5:54
















  • Maybe a change of variable like $t = log(x)$ would make it a bit easier?
    – xbh
    Aug 29 at 6:39











  • $$log(f(e^z))=log^2 z-zto-infty$$
    – Yves Daoust
    Aug 29 at 7:28










  • I think a parentheses should be placed outside the "base" $log$, otherwise to find the limit is relatively easy.
    – dmtri
    Aug 30 at 5:54















Maybe a change of variable like $t = log(x)$ would make it a bit easier?
– xbh
Aug 29 at 6:39





Maybe a change of variable like $t = log(x)$ would make it a bit easier?
– xbh
Aug 29 at 6:39













$$log(f(e^z))=log^2 z-zto-infty$$
– Yves Daoust
Aug 29 at 7:28




$$log(f(e^z))=log^2 z-zto-infty$$
– Yves Daoust
Aug 29 at 7:28












I think a parentheses should be placed outside the "base" $log$, otherwise to find the limit is relatively easy.
– dmtri
Aug 30 at 5:54




I think a parentheses should be placed outside the "base" $log$, otherwise to find the limit is relatively easy.
– dmtri
Aug 30 at 5:54










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Let $x=exp(e^u)$. Then your limit is equal to $$lim_utoinftyfrac(e^u)^log(e^u)exp(e^u)=lim_utoinftyfrace^u^2e^e^u=lim_utoinftye^u^2-e^u=cdots$$






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    HINT



    Assume $x=e^y$ with $y to infty$ then



    $$fraclog(x)^log(log(x))x=fraclog(e^y)^log(log(e^y))e^y=fracy^log ye^y=frace^log^2 ye^y=e^log^2y -y$$






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      Take logarithm!



      Then you are interested in the limit $(log log x)^2-log x$, which is clearly $-infty$.
      So the answer equals to the limit $limlimits_yrightarrow -infty e^y = 0$.






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        We can implement L'Hopital's rule:



        $A= limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$, according to $log$ rule: $log A ^ B=BlogA$ we have:



        $A = limlimits_x to infty frac log(log(x))log(x)x$ which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule



        $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1xlog(x)+log(log(x))frac1x1$, then,



        $A=limlimits_x to infty(frac1x+fraclog(log(x))x)$, and, by $limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x=0$, we have:



        $A=limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(log(x))x$, which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule again:



        $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1x1=limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x log(x)$, which is limit rule $frac1infty=0$, so, finaly we have:



        $A=0$



        Thanks, Vladica.






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        • I think a different limit is needed....you may see answers above
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          Aug 29 at 15:47






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          I don't think this solution is valid, the numerator is in the form $log(a)^b$, but the log rule only applies for equations of the form $log(a^b)$
          – user477805
          Aug 30 at 1:57










        • in that case, should be $(log(a))^b$ or $log^b(a)$
          – vladadj31
          Aug 30 at 7:07











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        HINT:



        Let $x=exp(e^u)$. Then your limit is equal to $$lim_utoinftyfrac(e^u)^log(e^u)exp(e^u)=lim_utoinftyfrace^u^2e^e^u=lim_utoinftye^u^2-e^u=cdots$$






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          HINT:



          Let $x=exp(e^u)$. Then your limit is equal to $$lim_utoinftyfrac(e^u)^log(e^u)exp(e^u)=lim_utoinftyfrace^u^2e^e^u=lim_utoinftye^u^2-e^u=cdots$$






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            HINT:



            Let $x=exp(e^u)$. Then your limit is equal to $$lim_utoinftyfrac(e^u)^log(e^u)exp(e^u)=lim_utoinftyfrace^u^2e^e^u=lim_utoinftye^u^2-e^u=cdots$$






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            HINT:



            Let $x=exp(e^u)$. Then your limit is equal to $$lim_utoinftyfrac(e^u)^log(e^u)exp(e^u)=lim_utoinftyfrace^u^2e^e^u=lim_utoinftye^u^2-e^u=cdots$$







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                HINT



                Assume $x=e^y$ with $y to infty$ then



                $$fraclog(x)^log(log(x))x=fraclog(e^y)^log(log(e^y))e^y=fracy^log ye^y=frace^log^2 ye^y=e^log^2y -y$$






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                  HINT



                  Assume $x=e^y$ with $y to infty$ then



                  $$fraclog(x)^log(log(x))x=fraclog(e^y)^log(log(e^y))e^y=fracy^log ye^y=frace^log^2 ye^y=e^log^2y -y$$






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                    HINT



                    Assume $x=e^y$ with $y to infty$ then



                    $$fraclog(x)^log(log(x))x=fraclog(e^y)^log(log(e^y))e^y=fracy^log ye^y=frace^log^2 ye^y=e^log^2y -y$$






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                    HINT



                    Assume $x=e^y$ with $y to infty$ then



                    $$fraclog(x)^log(log(x))x=fraclog(e^y)^log(log(e^y))e^y=fracy^log ye^y=frace^log^2 ye^y=e^log^2y -y$$







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                        Take logarithm!



                        Then you are interested in the limit $(log log x)^2-log x$, which is clearly $-infty$.
                        So the answer equals to the limit $limlimits_yrightarrow -infty e^y = 0$.






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                          Take logarithm!



                          Then you are interested in the limit $(log log x)^2-log x$, which is clearly $-infty$.
                          So the answer equals to the limit $limlimits_yrightarrow -infty e^y = 0$.






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                            up vote
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                            Take logarithm!



                            Then you are interested in the limit $(log log x)^2-log x$, which is clearly $-infty$.
                            So the answer equals to the limit $limlimits_yrightarrow -infty e^y = 0$.






                            share|cite|improve this answer












                            Take logarithm!



                            Then you are interested in the limit $(log log x)^2-log x$, which is clearly $-infty$.
                            So the answer equals to the limit $limlimits_yrightarrow -infty e^y = 0$.







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                                We can implement L'Hopital's rule:



                                $A= limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$, according to $log$ rule: $log A ^ B=BlogA$ we have:



                                $A = limlimits_x to infty frac log(log(x))log(x)x$ which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1xlog(x)+log(log(x))frac1x1$, then,



                                $A=limlimits_x to infty(frac1x+fraclog(log(x))x)$, and, by $limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x=0$, we have:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(log(x))x$, which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule again:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1x1=limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x log(x)$, which is limit rule $frac1infty=0$, so, finaly we have:



                                $A=0$



                                Thanks, Vladica.






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                                • I think a different limit is needed....you may see answers above
                                  – dmtri
                                  Aug 29 at 15:47






                                • 1




                                  I don't think this solution is valid, the numerator is in the form $log(a)^b$, but the log rule only applies for equations of the form $log(a^b)$
                                  – user477805
                                  Aug 30 at 1:57










                                • in that case, should be $(log(a))^b$ or $log^b(a)$
                                  – vladadj31
                                  Aug 30 at 7:07















                                up vote
                                2
                                down vote













                                We can implement L'Hopital's rule:



                                $A= limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$, according to $log$ rule: $log A ^ B=BlogA$ we have:



                                $A = limlimits_x to infty frac log(log(x))log(x)x$ which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1xlog(x)+log(log(x))frac1x1$, then,



                                $A=limlimits_x to infty(frac1x+fraclog(log(x))x)$, and, by $limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x=0$, we have:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(log(x))x$, which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule again:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1x1=limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x log(x)$, which is limit rule $frac1infty=0$, so, finaly we have:



                                $A=0$



                                Thanks, Vladica.






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                                • I think a different limit is needed....you may see answers above
                                  – dmtri
                                  Aug 29 at 15:47






                                • 1




                                  I don't think this solution is valid, the numerator is in the form $log(a)^b$, but the log rule only applies for equations of the form $log(a^b)$
                                  – user477805
                                  Aug 30 at 1:57










                                • in that case, should be $(log(a))^b$ or $log^b(a)$
                                  – vladadj31
                                  Aug 30 at 7:07













                                up vote
                                2
                                down vote










                                up vote
                                2
                                down vote









                                We can implement L'Hopital's rule:



                                $A= limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$, according to $log$ rule: $log A ^ B=BlogA$ we have:



                                $A = limlimits_x to infty frac log(log(x))log(x)x$ which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1xlog(x)+log(log(x))frac1x1$, then,



                                $A=limlimits_x to infty(frac1x+fraclog(log(x))x)$, and, by $limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x=0$, we have:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(log(x))x$, which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule again:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1x1=limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x log(x)$, which is limit rule $frac1infty=0$, so, finaly we have:



                                $A=0$



                                Thanks, Vladica.






                                share|cite|improve this answer












                                We can implement L'Hopital's rule:



                                $A= limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(x)^log(log(x))x$, according to $log$ rule: $log A ^ B=BlogA$ we have:



                                $A = limlimits_x to infty frac log(log(x))log(x)x$ which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1xlog(x)+log(log(x))frac1x1$, then,



                                $A=limlimits_x to infty(frac1x+fraclog(log(x))x)$, and, by $limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x=0$, we have:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfraclog(log(x))x$, which is rule type $fracinftyinfty$ so, we can implement L'Hopital's rule again:



                                $A=limlimits_x to inftyfracfrac1log(x)frac1x1=limlimits_x to inftyfrac1x log(x)$, which is limit rule $frac1infty=0$, so, finaly we have:



                                $A=0$



                                Thanks, Vladica.







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                                • I think a different limit is needed....you may see answers above
                                  – dmtri
                                  Aug 29 at 15:47






                                • 1




                                  I don't think this solution is valid, the numerator is in the form $log(a)^b$, but the log rule only applies for equations of the form $log(a^b)$
                                  – user477805
                                  Aug 30 at 1:57










                                • in that case, should be $(log(a))^b$ or $log^b(a)$
                                  – vladadj31
                                  Aug 30 at 7:07

















                                • I think a different limit is needed....you may see answers above
                                  – dmtri
                                  Aug 29 at 15:47






                                • 1




                                  I don't think this solution is valid, the numerator is in the form $log(a)^b$, but the log rule only applies for equations of the form $log(a^b)$
                                  – user477805
                                  Aug 30 at 1:57










                                • in that case, should be $(log(a))^b$ or $log^b(a)$
                                  – vladadj31
                                  Aug 30 at 7:07
















                                I think a different limit is needed....you may see answers above
                                – dmtri
                                Aug 29 at 15:47




                                I think a different limit is needed....you may see answers above
                                – dmtri
                                Aug 29 at 15:47




                                1




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                                I don't think this solution is valid, the numerator is in the form $log(a)^b$, but the log rule only applies for equations of the form $log(a^b)$
                                – user477805
                                Aug 30 at 1:57




                                I don't think this solution is valid, the numerator is in the form $log(a)^b$, but the log rule only applies for equations of the form $log(a^b)$
                                – user477805
                                Aug 30 at 1:57












                                in that case, should be $(log(a))^b$ or $log^b(a)$
                                – vladadj31
                                Aug 30 at 7:07





                                in that case, should be $(log(a))^b$ or $log^b(a)$
                                – vladadj31
                                Aug 30 at 7:07


















                                 

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