Is it possible to use non square matrices to solve systems of simultaneous linear equations?

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Today I learnt non square matrices generally cannot have determinants because the matrix cannot fulfill all properties of determinants as seen in square matrices. So I want to know if given a system of linear equations whose matrix is non square can be solved if it can't have determinants.







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    Today I learnt non square matrices generally cannot have determinants because the matrix cannot fulfill all properties of determinants as seen in square matrices. So I want to know if given a system of linear equations whose matrix is non square can be solved if it can't have determinants.







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      Today I learnt non square matrices generally cannot have determinants because the matrix cannot fulfill all properties of determinants as seen in square matrices. So I want to know if given a system of linear equations whose matrix is non square can be solved if it can't have determinants.







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      Today I learnt non square matrices generally cannot have determinants because the matrix cannot fulfill all properties of determinants as seen in square matrices. So I want to know if given a system of linear equations whose matrix is non square can be solved if it can't have determinants.









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          Totally. Search Gauss elimination, and you would find something related. Also for overdetermined systems, we can find the best approximation in some sense. Check Linear Algebra textbooks of you like.






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            They don't use Gaussian elimination for non-square matrices. This is a series of charts from the matlab site for the backslash operator which is used to solve systems of equations i.e. $ Ax= b$



            ml-divide full, for non-sparse matrices



            enter image description here



            ml-divide for sparse matrices



            enter image description here



            as you can see it when it isn't square it uses the $QR$ decomposition. That is



            $$ Ax =b \ QRx = b \ Rx = Q^-1b $$
            then it uses back substitution to solve this



            It is also possible to use the SVD decomp



            $$ Ax=b \ U Sigma V^T x = b \ x = V Sigma^-1U^Tb $$






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              A fruitful way of thinking about an $n times m$ matrix $A$ is as a function $A:mathbbR^m rightarrow mathbbR^n$. So $A$ acts on every vector $v in mathbbR^m$ by left multiplication, giving a new vector $Avin mathbbR^n$. If $n=m=2$ you can think of $A$ as a way of moving around the plane, keeping straight lines straight, and keeping the origin fixed. Because of this, $A$ sends every $1 times 1$ square in the plane to a parallelogram, and all of those parallelograms have the same area. The (absolute value of the) determinant of $A$ tells you that area.



              If general for $m=n$, the matrix (though of as a function) $A:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ sends any $underbrace1 times dots times 1_n textrm times$ hypercube to a parallelotope and all such parallelotopes have the same volume. $det(A)$ tells you the signed $n$ -dimensional volume of such a parallelotope.






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                Totally. Search Gauss elimination, and you would find something related. Also for overdetermined systems, we can find the best approximation in some sense. Check Linear Algebra textbooks of you like.






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                  Totally. Search Gauss elimination, and you would find something related. Also for overdetermined systems, we can find the best approximation in some sense. Check Linear Algebra textbooks of you like.






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                    Totally. Search Gauss elimination, and you would find something related. Also for overdetermined systems, we can find the best approximation in some sense. Check Linear Algebra textbooks of you like.






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                    Totally. Search Gauss elimination, and you would find something related. Also for overdetermined systems, we can find the best approximation in some sense. Check Linear Algebra textbooks of you like.







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                        They don't use Gaussian elimination for non-square matrices. This is a series of charts from the matlab site for the backslash operator which is used to solve systems of equations i.e. $ Ax= b$



                        ml-divide full, for non-sparse matrices



                        enter image description here



                        ml-divide for sparse matrices



                        enter image description here



                        as you can see it when it isn't square it uses the $QR$ decomposition. That is



                        $$ Ax =b \ QRx = b \ Rx = Q^-1b $$
                        then it uses back substitution to solve this



                        It is also possible to use the SVD decomp



                        $$ Ax=b \ U Sigma V^T x = b \ x = V Sigma^-1U^Tb $$






                        share|cite|improve this answer


























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                          They don't use Gaussian elimination for non-square matrices. This is a series of charts from the matlab site for the backslash operator which is used to solve systems of equations i.e. $ Ax= b$



                          ml-divide full, for non-sparse matrices



                          enter image description here



                          ml-divide for sparse matrices



                          enter image description here



                          as you can see it when it isn't square it uses the $QR$ decomposition. That is



                          $$ Ax =b \ QRx = b \ Rx = Q^-1b $$
                          then it uses back substitution to solve this



                          It is also possible to use the SVD decomp



                          $$ Ax=b \ U Sigma V^T x = b \ x = V Sigma^-1U^Tb $$






                          share|cite|improve this answer
























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                            They don't use Gaussian elimination for non-square matrices. This is a series of charts from the matlab site for the backslash operator which is used to solve systems of equations i.e. $ Ax= b$



                            ml-divide full, for non-sparse matrices



                            enter image description here



                            ml-divide for sparse matrices



                            enter image description here



                            as you can see it when it isn't square it uses the $QR$ decomposition. That is



                            $$ Ax =b \ QRx = b \ Rx = Q^-1b $$
                            then it uses back substitution to solve this



                            It is also possible to use the SVD decomp



                            $$ Ax=b \ U Sigma V^T x = b \ x = V Sigma^-1U^Tb $$






                            share|cite|improve this answer














                            They don't use Gaussian elimination for non-square matrices. This is a series of charts from the matlab site for the backslash operator which is used to solve systems of equations i.e. $ Ax= b$



                            ml-divide full, for non-sparse matrices



                            enter image description here



                            ml-divide for sparse matrices



                            enter image description here



                            as you can see it when it isn't square it uses the $QR$ decomposition. That is



                            $$ Ax =b \ QRx = b \ Rx = Q^-1b $$
                            then it uses back substitution to solve this



                            It is also possible to use the SVD decomp



                            $$ Ax=b \ U Sigma V^T x = b \ x = V Sigma^-1U^Tb $$







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                                A fruitful way of thinking about an $n times m$ matrix $A$ is as a function $A:mathbbR^m rightarrow mathbbR^n$. So $A$ acts on every vector $v in mathbbR^m$ by left multiplication, giving a new vector $Avin mathbbR^n$. If $n=m=2$ you can think of $A$ as a way of moving around the plane, keeping straight lines straight, and keeping the origin fixed. Because of this, $A$ sends every $1 times 1$ square in the plane to a parallelogram, and all of those parallelograms have the same area. The (absolute value of the) determinant of $A$ tells you that area.



                                If general for $m=n$, the matrix (though of as a function) $A:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ sends any $underbrace1 times dots times 1_n textrm times$ hypercube to a parallelotope and all such parallelotopes have the same volume. $det(A)$ tells you the signed $n$ -dimensional volume of such a parallelotope.






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                                  A fruitful way of thinking about an $n times m$ matrix $A$ is as a function $A:mathbbR^m rightarrow mathbbR^n$. So $A$ acts on every vector $v in mathbbR^m$ by left multiplication, giving a new vector $Avin mathbbR^n$. If $n=m=2$ you can think of $A$ as a way of moving around the plane, keeping straight lines straight, and keeping the origin fixed. Because of this, $A$ sends every $1 times 1$ square in the plane to a parallelogram, and all of those parallelograms have the same area. The (absolute value of the) determinant of $A$ tells you that area.



                                  If general for $m=n$, the matrix (though of as a function) $A:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ sends any $underbrace1 times dots times 1_n textrm times$ hypercube to a parallelotope and all such parallelotopes have the same volume. $det(A)$ tells you the signed $n$ -dimensional volume of such a parallelotope.






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                                    A fruitful way of thinking about an $n times m$ matrix $A$ is as a function $A:mathbbR^m rightarrow mathbbR^n$. So $A$ acts on every vector $v in mathbbR^m$ by left multiplication, giving a new vector $Avin mathbbR^n$. If $n=m=2$ you can think of $A$ as a way of moving around the plane, keeping straight lines straight, and keeping the origin fixed. Because of this, $A$ sends every $1 times 1$ square in the plane to a parallelogram, and all of those parallelograms have the same area. The (absolute value of the) determinant of $A$ tells you that area.



                                    If general for $m=n$, the matrix (though of as a function) $A:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ sends any $underbrace1 times dots times 1_n textrm times$ hypercube to a parallelotope and all such parallelotopes have the same volume. $det(A)$ tells you the signed $n$ -dimensional volume of such a parallelotope.






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                                    A fruitful way of thinking about an $n times m$ matrix $A$ is as a function $A:mathbbR^m rightarrow mathbbR^n$. So $A$ acts on every vector $v in mathbbR^m$ by left multiplication, giving a new vector $Avin mathbbR^n$. If $n=m=2$ you can think of $A$ as a way of moving around the plane, keeping straight lines straight, and keeping the origin fixed. Because of this, $A$ sends every $1 times 1$ square in the plane to a parallelogram, and all of those parallelograms have the same area. The (absolute value of the) determinant of $A$ tells you that area.



                                    If general for $m=n$, the matrix (though of as a function) $A:mathbbR^n rightarrow mathbbR^n$ sends any $underbrace1 times dots times 1_n textrm times$ hypercube to a parallelotope and all such parallelotopes have the same volume. $det(A)$ tells you the signed $n$ -dimensional volume of such a parallelotope.







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