Stability of ODE involving trig functions and nonhyperbolic fixed points
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Consider the following autonomous vector field:
$$dot x = âÂÂx$$
$$dot y = sin y$$
where $x in mathbbR^2, -pi ⤠y ⤠pi$
$bullet$ Find all fixed points.
$bullet$ Determine the linearized stability properties of each fixed point.
$bullet$ Determine the global stable and unstable manifolds of the origin.
$bullet$ Determine whether any nonhyperbolic fixed points are stable or unstable? (You must justify your answer.)
ATTEMPT:
$bullet$ Fixed points: $(0, -pi), (0,0), (0,pi)$
$bullet$ Linearisation by the Jacobian:
$J = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & cos y endpmatrix$
So we have:
$J(0,-pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$,
$J(0,0) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & 1 endpmatrix$,
$J(0,pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$
Which represent a sink (stable), a saddle (unstable), and a sink (stable) respectively,
$bullet$ For the global stable manifold we can see by simply solving for $x$:
$dot x = -x Rightarrow int fracdot xx dt = int fracdxx = -int dt$
$Rightarrow x = e^-t+c$
Using $x(0) = x_0$ an arbitrary initial condition $Rightarrow x_0 = e^c$
$x = x_0 e^-t$ is the global stable manifold as $x rightarrow 0$ as $t rightarrow infty$ for all initial conditions
My problem here is with the unstable manifold due to the $sin$ function and that there doesn't seem to be any nonhyperbolic fixed points, as I have two sinks and a saddle? I feel like that the unstable manifold should simply be the region $-pi le y le pi$ but I just wanted clarification.
As far as I am taught, the saddle points is hyperbolic so I'm not sure where the nonhyperbolic fixed points come from, unless I am missing something obvious or have done something wrong.
differential-equations dynamical-systems stability-in-odes stability-theory
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Consider the following autonomous vector field:
$$dot x = âÂÂx$$
$$dot y = sin y$$
where $x in mathbbR^2, -pi ⤠y ⤠pi$
$bullet$ Find all fixed points.
$bullet$ Determine the linearized stability properties of each fixed point.
$bullet$ Determine the global stable and unstable manifolds of the origin.
$bullet$ Determine whether any nonhyperbolic fixed points are stable or unstable? (You must justify your answer.)
ATTEMPT:
$bullet$ Fixed points: $(0, -pi), (0,0), (0,pi)$
$bullet$ Linearisation by the Jacobian:
$J = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & cos y endpmatrix$
So we have:
$J(0,-pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$,
$J(0,0) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & 1 endpmatrix$,
$J(0,pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$
Which represent a sink (stable), a saddle (unstable), and a sink (stable) respectively,
$bullet$ For the global stable manifold we can see by simply solving for $x$:
$dot x = -x Rightarrow int fracdot xx dt = int fracdxx = -int dt$
$Rightarrow x = e^-t+c$
Using $x(0) = x_0$ an arbitrary initial condition $Rightarrow x_0 = e^c$
$x = x_0 e^-t$ is the global stable manifold as $x rightarrow 0$ as $t rightarrow infty$ for all initial conditions
My problem here is with the unstable manifold due to the $sin$ function and that there doesn't seem to be any nonhyperbolic fixed points, as I have two sinks and a saddle? I feel like that the unstable manifold should simply be the region $-pi le y le pi$ but I just wanted clarification.
As far as I am taught, the saddle points is hyperbolic so I'm not sure where the nonhyperbolic fixed points come from, unless I am missing something obvious or have done something wrong.
differential-equations dynamical-systems stability-in-odes stability-theory
You're right, all fixed points are hyperbolic.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 12:21
@HansLundmark Thank you, I'm not really sure why this question is asked other than to say that there are no hyperbolic fixed points. Are you able to shed any light on my thoughts for the unstable manifold?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 12:56
The origin is a saddle, so the unstable manifold is just a curve, not a whole two-dimensional region like $|y| le pi$. But if you change to strict inequalities and add the condition $x=0$, it should be OK.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 13:12
@HansLundmark I can see why the inequalities should be strict and thus $-pi lt y lt pi$ but why must $x = 0$ for the unstable manifold when $dot y$ oscillates?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 18:54
The unstable manifold consists of the points from which you approach the origin if you run time backwards. But in backwards time, you move away (exponentially!) from the $x$-axis unless you are exactly on the $x$-axis to begin with.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 18:59
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Consider the following autonomous vector field:
$$dot x = âÂÂx$$
$$dot y = sin y$$
where $x in mathbbR^2, -pi ⤠y ⤠pi$
$bullet$ Find all fixed points.
$bullet$ Determine the linearized stability properties of each fixed point.
$bullet$ Determine the global stable and unstable manifolds of the origin.
$bullet$ Determine whether any nonhyperbolic fixed points are stable or unstable? (You must justify your answer.)
ATTEMPT:
$bullet$ Fixed points: $(0, -pi), (0,0), (0,pi)$
$bullet$ Linearisation by the Jacobian:
$J = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & cos y endpmatrix$
So we have:
$J(0,-pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$,
$J(0,0) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & 1 endpmatrix$,
$J(0,pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$
Which represent a sink (stable), a saddle (unstable), and a sink (stable) respectively,
$bullet$ For the global stable manifold we can see by simply solving for $x$:
$dot x = -x Rightarrow int fracdot xx dt = int fracdxx = -int dt$
$Rightarrow x = e^-t+c$
Using $x(0) = x_0$ an arbitrary initial condition $Rightarrow x_0 = e^c$
$x = x_0 e^-t$ is the global stable manifold as $x rightarrow 0$ as $t rightarrow infty$ for all initial conditions
My problem here is with the unstable manifold due to the $sin$ function and that there doesn't seem to be any nonhyperbolic fixed points, as I have two sinks and a saddle? I feel like that the unstable manifold should simply be the region $-pi le y le pi$ but I just wanted clarification.
As far as I am taught, the saddle points is hyperbolic so I'm not sure where the nonhyperbolic fixed points come from, unless I am missing something obvious or have done something wrong.
differential-equations dynamical-systems stability-in-odes stability-theory
Consider the following autonomous vector field:
$$dot x = âÂÂx$$
$$dot y = sin y$$
where $x in mathbbR^2, -pi ⤠y ⤠pi$
$bullet$ Find all fixed points.
$bullet$ Determine the linearized stability properties of each fixed point.
$bullet$ Determine the global stable and unstable manifolds of the origin.
$bullet$ Determine whether any nonhyperbolic fixed points are stable or unstable? (You must justify your answer.)
ATTEMPT:
$bullet$ Fixed points: $(0, -pi), (0,0), (0,pi)$
$bullet$ Linearisation by the Jacobian:
$J = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & cos y endpmatrix$
So we have:
$J(0,-pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$,
$J(0,0) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & 1 endpmatrix$,
$J(0,pi) = beginpmatrix-1 & 0 \ 0 & -1endpmatrix$
Which represent a sink (stable), a saddle (unstable), and a sink (stable) respectively,
$bullet$ For the global stable manifold we can see by simply solving for $x$:
$dot x = -x Rightarrow int fracdot xx dt = int fracdxx = -int dt$
$Rightarrow x = e^-t+c$
Using $x(0) = x_0$ an arbitrary initial condition $Rightarrow x_0 = e^c$
$x = x_0 e^-t$ is the global stable manifold as $x rightarrow 0$ as $t rightarrow infty$ for all initial conditions
My problem here is with the unstable manifold due to the $sin$ function and that there doesn't seem to be any nonhyperbolic fixed points, as I have two sinks and a saddle? I feel like that the unstable manifold should simply be the region $-pi le y le pi$ but I just wanted clarification.
As far as I am taught, the saddle points is hyperbolic so I'm not sure where the nonhyperbolic fixed points come from, unless I am missing something obvious or have done something wrong.
differential-equations dynamical-systems stability-in-odes stability-theory
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You're right, all fixed points are hyperbolic.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 12:21
@HansLundmark Thank you, I'm not really sure why this question is asked other than to say that there are no hyperbolic fixed points. Are you able to shed any light on my thoughts for the unstable manifold?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 12:56
The origin is a saddle, so the unstable manifold is just a curve, not a whole two-dimensional region like $|y| le pi$. But if you change to strict inequalities and add the condition $x=0$, it should be OK.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 13:12
@HansLundmark I can see why the inequalities should be strict and thus $-pi lt y lt pi$ but why must $x = 0$ for the unstable manifold when $dot y$ oscillates?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 18:54
The unstable manifold consists of the points from which you approach the origin if you run time backwards. But in backwards time, you move away (exponentially!) from the $x$-axis unless you are exactly on the $x$-axis to begin with.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 18:59
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You're right, all fixed points are hyperbolic.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 12:21
@HansLundmark Thank you, I'm not really sure why this question is asked other than to say that there are no hyperbolic fixed points. Are you able to shed any light on my thoughts for the unstable manifold?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 12:56
The origin is a saddle, so the unstable manifold is just a curve, not a whole two-dimensional region like $|y| le pi$. But if you change to strict inequalities and add the condition $x=0$, it should be OK.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 13:12
@HansLundmark I can see why the inequalities should be strict and thus $-pi lt y lt pi$ but why must $x = 0$ for the unstable manifold when $dot y$ oscillates?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 18:54
The unstable manifold consists of the points from which you approach the origin if you run time backwards. But in backwards time, you move away (exponentially!) from the $x$-axis unless you are exactly on the $x$-axis to begin with.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 18:59
You're right, all fixed points are hyperbolic.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 12:21
You're right, all fixed points are hyperbolic.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 12:21
@HansLundmark Thank you, I'm not really sure why this question is asked other than to say that there are no hyperbolic fixed points. Are you able to shed any light on my thoughts for the unstable manifold?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 12:56
@HansLundmark Thank you, I'm not really sure why this question is asked other than to say that there are no hyperbolic fixed points. Are you able to shed any light on my thoughts for the unstable manifold?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 12:56
The origin is a saddle, so the unstable manifold is just a curve, not a whole two-dimensional region like $|y| le pi$. But if you change to strict inequalities and add the condition $x=0$, it should be OK.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 13:12
The origin is a saddle, so the unstable manifold is just a curve, not a whole two-dimensional region like $|y| le pi$. But if you change to strict inequalities and add the condition $x=0$, it should be OK.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 13:12
@HansLundmark I can see why the inequalities should be strict and thus $-pi lt y lt pi$ but why must $x = 0$ for the unstable manifold when $dot y$ oscillates?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 18:54
@HansLundmark I can see why the inequalities should be strict and thus $-pi lt y lt pi$ but why must $x = 0$ for the unstable manifold when $dot y$ oscillates?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 18:54
The unstable manifold consists of the points from which you approach the origin if you run time backwards. But in backwards time, you move away (exponentially!) from the $x$-axis unless you are exactly on the $x$-axis to begin with.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 18:59
The unstable manifold consists of the points from which you approach the origin if you run time backwards. But in backwards time, you move away (exponentially!) from the $x$-axis unless you are exactly on the $x$-axis to begin with.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 18:59
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You're right, all fixed points are hyperbolic.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 12:21
@HansLundmark Thank you, I'm not really sure why this question is asked other than to say that there are no hyperbolic fixed points. Are you able to shed any light on my thoughts for the unstable manifold?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 12:56
The origin is a saddle, so the unstable manifold is just a curve, not a whole two-dimensional region like $|y| le pi$. But if you change to strict inequalities and add the condition $x=0$, it should be OK.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 13:12
@HansLundmark I can see why the inequalities should be strict and thus $-pi lt y lt pi$ but why must $x = 0$ for the unstable manifold when $dot y$ oscillates?
â A. Bharj
Aug 29 at 18:54
The unstable manifold consists of the points from which you approach the origin if you run time backwards. But in backwards time, you move away (exponentially!) from the $x$-axis unless you are exactly on the $x$-axis to begin with.
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 29 at 18:59