Is $f(x)=sqrt1-x^2$ Lipschitz?
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I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$
My attempt:
Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.
This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.
I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$
My attempt:
Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.
This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.
I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13
Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
â Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18
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I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$
My attempt:
Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.
This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.
I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
proof-verification inequality lipschitz-functions
I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$
My attempt:
Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.
This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.
I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
proof-verification inequality lipschitz-functions
asked Aug 29 at 10:10
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$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13
Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
â Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18
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1
$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13
Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
â Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18
1
1
$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13
$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13
Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
â Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18
Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
â Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18
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Are you sure about$$
fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$
Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$
Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.
I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.
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as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded
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As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).
On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
$$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
implies that
$$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
that is
$$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.
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You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$
Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.
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Are you sure about$$
fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$
Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$
Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.
I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.
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up vote
1
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Are you sure about$$
fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$
Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$
Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.
I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
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up vote
1
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Are you sure about$$
fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$
Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$
Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.
I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.
Are you sure about$$
fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$
Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$
Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.
I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.
answered Aug 29 at 10:27
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as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded
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as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded
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1
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up vote
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as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded
as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded
answered Aug 29 at 10:36
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As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).
On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
$$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
implies that
$$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
that is
$$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.
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up vote
1
down vote
As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).
On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
$$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
implies that
$$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
that is
$$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.
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As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).
On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
$$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
implies that
$$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
that is
$$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.
As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).
On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
$$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
implies that
$$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
that is
$$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.
edited Aug 29 at 10:57
answered Aug 29 at 10:22
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You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$
Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
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You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$
Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.
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up vote
1
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up vote
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You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$
Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.
You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$
Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.
answered Aug 29 at 12:34
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$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13
Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
â Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18