Is $f(x)=sqrt1-x^2$ Lipschitz?

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I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$




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Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.



This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.



I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.







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    $leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
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  • Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
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I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$




My attempt:



Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.



This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.



I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.







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    $leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 29 at 10:13











  • Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
    – Bell
    Aug 29 at 10:18













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I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$




My attempt:



Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.



This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.



I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.







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I am trying to determine if the following function is Lipschitz or not $$f(x)=sqrt1-x^2 textfor -1leq xleq 1$$




My attempt:



Suppose $f$ is Lipschitz on $[-1,1]$. This implies $exists LinmathbbR$ such that $forall x,yin [-1,1]$
beginalign
|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|&leq L|x-y| \
L&geqfracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac \
endalign
If we set $y=0$ and take $xrightarrow 0$, then $Lrightarrowinfty$.



This is a contradiction, as $L$ is finite. Hence $f$ is not Lipschitz.



I'm wondering if the my logic is correct, particularly my second line of working. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.









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    $leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 29 at 10:13











  • Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
    – Bell
    Aug 29 at 10:18













  • 1




    $leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 29 at 10:13











  • Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
    – Bell
    Aug 29 at 10:18








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1




$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
– Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13





$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$ is unwarranted (and false in a considerable number of cases).
– Saucy O'Path
Aug 29 at 10:13













Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
– Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18





Damn. I thought that removing something positive from the numerator would make the inequality hold. Could we employ the reverse triangle inequality instead?
– Bell
Aug 29 at 10:18











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Are you sure about$$
fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$



Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$



Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.



I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.






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    as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded






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      As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).



      On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
      $$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
      implies that
      $$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
      that is
      $$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
      which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.






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        You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$



        Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.






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          Are you sure about$$
          fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$



          Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
          For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$



          Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.



          I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.






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            Are you sure about$$
            fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$



            Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
            For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$



            Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.



            I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.






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              Are you sure about$$
              fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$



              Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
              For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$



              Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.



              I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.






              share|cite|improve this answer












              Are you sure about$$
              fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2geqfrac$$



              Note that for two positive numbers, $a$ and $b$ we do not necessarily have $$|a-b|ge |b|$$
              For example $|5-3|=2 < 3$



              Note that the absolute value of the derivative near boundary points gets very large.



              I suggest that you focus at the endpoints of the domain and apply mean value theorem.







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              Mohammad Riazi-Kermani

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                  as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded






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                    as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded






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                      as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded






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                      as Robert mentioned taking $x=1-1/n$, n is natural and $y=1$..but i want to add this thing that if f is lipschitz then $sqrt2n-1leq$L must hold for all n in natural because $x=1-1/n$ lies in [-1,1] for all n in natural but that cant be possible because $sqrt2n-1$ is unbounded







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                          As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).



                          On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
                          $$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
                          implies that
                          $$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
                          that is
                          $$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
                          which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.






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                            As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).



                            On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
                            $$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
                            implies that
                            $$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
                            that is
                            $$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
                            which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.






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                              up vote
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                              As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).



                              On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
                              $$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
                              implies that
                              $$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
                              that is
                              $$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
                              which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.






                              share|cite|improve this answer














                              As already pointed out by Saucy O'Path, the inequality $$leftlvert sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2rightrvertgeleftlvert -sqrt1-y^2rightrvert$$ does not hold in $[-1,1]$ (take for example $-1<x<1$ and $y=0$).



                              On the other hand, you may modify your approch by taking $x=1-frac1n$ and $y=1$ with $ninmathbbN^+$. Then $x,yin[-1,1]$ and
                              $$|sqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2|leq L|x-y|$$
                              implies that
                              $$|sqrt1-1+frac2n-frac1n^2-sqrt1-1|leq Lleft|1-frac1n-1right|$$
                              that is
                              $$sqrt2n-1leq L$$
                              which is a contradiction because the sequence $sqrt2n-1_ninmathbbN^+$ is unbounded.







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                                  You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$



                                  Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.






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                                    You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$



                                    Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.






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                                      You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$



                                      Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.






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                                      You could observe that for all $xne y$ in $[-1,1]$ such that either $x^2ne 1$ or $y^2ne 1$ $$fracsqrt1-x^2-sqrt1-y^2x-y=frac1-x^2-1+y^2(x-y)left(sqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2right)=-fracx+ysqrt1-x^2+sqrt1-y^2$$



                                      Which diverges to $-infty$ when $(x,y)to (1,1)$ and to $infty$ when $(x,y)to(-1,-1)$.







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