$fracab+fracba>2$, same answer but different solutions?
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I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign
What is the difference between the solutions?
algebra-precalculus inequality
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I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign
What is the difference between the solutions?
algebra-precalculus inequality
in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35
Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40
Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
â rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42
The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
â xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42
@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48
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I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign
What is the difference between the solutions?
algebra-precalculus inequality
I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign
What is the difference between the solutions?
algebra-precalculus inequality
asked Aug 29 at 9:26
Donsert
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in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35
Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40
Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
â rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42
The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
â xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42
@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48
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in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35
Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40
Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
â rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42
The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
â xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42
@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48
in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35
in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35
Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40
Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40
Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
â rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42
Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
â rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42
The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
â xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42
The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
â xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42
@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48
@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48
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First solution is wrong here
beginalign
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).
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For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.
Note that from line $(4)$
$$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$
dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain
$a>b$ when $a-b>0$
$a<b$ when $a-b<0$
that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed
$$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$
wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,
Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.
As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that
$$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$
and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.
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Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?
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First solution is wrong here
beginalign
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).
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up vote
1
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First solution is wrong here
beginalign
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
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First solution is wrong here
beginalign
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).
First solution is wrong here
beginalign
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).
answered Aug 29 at 9:28
greedoid
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For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.
Note that from line $(4)$
$$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$
dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain
$a>b$ when $a-b>0$
$a<b$ when $a-b<0$
that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed
$$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$
wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,
Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.
As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that
$$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$
and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.
Note that from line $(4)$
$$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$
dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain
$a>b$ when $a-b>0$
$a<b$ when $a-b<0$
that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed
$$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$
wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,
Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.
As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that
$$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$
and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.
Note that from line $(4)$
$$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$
dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain
$a>b$ when $a-b>0$
$a<b$ when $a-b<0$
that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed
$$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$
wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,
Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.
As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that
$$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$
and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.
For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.
Note that from line $(4)$
$$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$
dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain
$a>b$ when $a-b>0$
$a<b$ when $a-b<0$
that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed
$$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$
wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,
Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.
As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that
$$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$
and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.
edited Aug 29 at 9:47
answered Aug 29 at 9:29
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Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?
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Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?
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Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?
Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?
answered Aug 29 at 9:30
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in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35
Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40
Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
â rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42
The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
â xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42
@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
â gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48