$fracab+fracba>2$, same answer but different solutions?

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I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign



I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign



What is the difference between the solutions?







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  • in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:35











  • Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:40










  • Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
    – rtybase
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
    – xbh
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • @xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:48














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I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign



I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign



What is the difference between the solutions?







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  • in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:35











  • Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:40










  • Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
    – rtybase
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
    – xbh
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • @xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:48












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I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign



I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign



What is the difference between the solutions?







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I can find the answer (correct?) to the following
$$
fracab+fracba>2 tag 1
$$
However according to the book my solution is "wrong". Why is that? Which lines are wrong?
beginalign
a^2+b^2&>2abtag 2\
a^2-ab&>ab-b^2tag 3\
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign



I also tried the following and found the same answer:
beginalign
a^2+b^2-2ab&>0tag 6\
(a-b)^2&>0tag 7\
a>b tag 8
endalign



What is the difference between the solutions?









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  • in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:35











  • Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:40










  • Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
    – rtybase
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
    – xbh
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • @xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:48
















  • in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:35











  • Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:40










  • Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
    – rtybase
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
    – xbh
    Aug 29 at 9:42










  • @xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
    – gimusi
    Aug 29 at 9:48















in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
– gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35





in line (4) when you divide by (a-b) you are assuming a-b>0 to obtain line (5) but assuming a-b<0 we obtain a<b that is $aneq b$
– gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:35













Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
– gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40




Therefore from line (4) we can conclude that $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line (7) since $$(a-b)^2>0 iff a-bneq 0 iff a neq b$$
– gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:40












Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
– rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42




Do you assume both $a,b$ being positive?
– rtybase
Aug 29 at 9:42












The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
– xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42




The inequality fails when $a = b$. Also if $ab < 0$, none of the reasoning is right, cause the inequality sign is reversed.
– xbh
Aug 29 at 9:42












@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
– gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48




@xbh Yes of course we need a,b>0, I didn't noticed that it wasn't explicitely stated in the OP.
– gimusi
Aug 29 at 9:48










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First solution is wrong here



beginalign
a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
a&>b tag 5
endalign
You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).






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    For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.



    Note that from line $(4)$



    $$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$



    dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain



    • $a>b$ when $a-b>0$


    • $a<b$ when $a-b<0$


    that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed



    $$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$



    wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,



    Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.



    As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that



    $$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$



    and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.






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      Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?






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        First solution is wrong here



        beginalign
        a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
        a&>b tag 5
        endalign
        You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).






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          First solution is wrong here



          beginalign
          a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
          a&>b tag 5
          endalign
          You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).






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            First solution is wrong here



            beginalign
            a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
            a&>b tag 5
            endalign
            You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).






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            First solution is wrong here



            beginalign
            a(a-b)&>b(a-b)tag 4\
            a&>b tag 5
            endalign
            You can divide with $a-b$ if you know it is $>0$. If you want to divide with $a-b$ you should assume that $a>b$ (which you may because of simmetry).







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                For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.



                Note that from line $(4)$



                $$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$



                dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain



                • $a>b$ when $a-b>0$


                • $a<b$ when $a-b<0$


                that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed



                $$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$



                wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,



                Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.



                As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that



                $$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$



                and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.






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                  For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.



                  Note that from line $(4)$



                  $$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$



                  dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain



                  • $a>b$ when $a-b>0$


                  • $a<b$ when $a-b<0$


                  that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed



                  $$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$



                  wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,



                  Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.



                  As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that



                  $$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$



                  and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.






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                    up vote
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                    up vote
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                    For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.



                    Note that from line $(4)$



                    $$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$



                    dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain



                    • $a>b$ when $a-b>0$


                    • $a<b$ when $a-b<0$


                    that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed



                    $$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$



                    wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,



                    Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.



                    As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that



                    $$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$



                    and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.






                    share|cite|improve this answer














                    For ab<0 the given inequality is not true then assume $a,b>0$.



                    Note that from line $(4)$



                    $$a(a-b)>b(a-b)$$



                    dividing both sides by $a-bneq 0$ we obtain



                    • $a>b$ when $a-b>0$


                    • $a<b$ when $a-b<0$


                    that is $aneq b$ which is the same result we obtain from line $(6)$, indeed



                    $$a^2+b^2>2ab iff a^2+b^2-2ab>0iff(a-b)^2>0$$



                    wich is true for $a-bneq 0 iff aneq b$,



                    Therefore your derivations are wrong in line $(5)$ and line $(8)$ which should be $aneq b$.



                    As an alternative by Rearrangement inequality for $(a,b)$ and $(1/a,1/b)$ we have that



                    $$fracab+fracbage fracaa+fracbb=2$$



                    and equality holds if and only if $a=b$ therefore the given inequality holds for $aneq b$.







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                        Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?






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                          Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?






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                            Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?






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                            Im step 5 you use that $a-b$ is positive. So, also consider the negative variant here. I don't see why your Equation 8 is a logical consequence. Why don't you also include $a<b$ here?







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