About the definition that a subset $A$ of $mathbbR^n$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ in Munkres âAnalysis on Manifoldsâ(p.91)

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I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.
Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$
Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.
$v(Q) = 0$
Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?
If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial
p.97 Exercise 3.
Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.
By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:
For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.
This is his definition of rectangle in his book.
measure-theory definition rectangles
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I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.
Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$
Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.
$v(Q) = 0$
Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?
If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial
p.97 Exercise 3.
Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.
By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:
For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.
This is his definition of rectangle in his book.
measure-theory definition rectangles
What is your question?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39
For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49
Yes, it is a rectangle.
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52
Thank you very much, Mr. T.
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59
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Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
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Aug 30 at 13:02
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I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.
Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$
Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.
$v(Q) = 0$
Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?
If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial
p.97 Exercise 3.
Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.
By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:
For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.
This is his definition of rectangle in his book.
measure-theory definition rectangles
I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.
Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$
Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.
$v(Q) = 0$
Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?
If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial
p.97 Exercise 3.
Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.
By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:
For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.
This is his definition of rectangle in his book.
measure-theory definition rectangles
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tchappy ha
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What is your question?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39
For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49
Yes, it is a rectangle.
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52
Thank you very much, Mr. T.
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59
3
Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
â Andrés E. Caicedo
Aug 30 at 13:02
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show 3 more comments
What is your question?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39
For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49
Yes, it is a rectangle.
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52
Thank you very much, Mr. T.
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59
3
Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
â Andrés E. Caicedo
Aug 30 at 13:02
What is your question?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39
What is your question?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39
For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49
For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49
Yes, it is a rectangle.
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52
Yes, it is a rectangle.
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52
Thank you very much, Mr. T.
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59
Thank you very much, Mr. T.
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59
3
3
Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
â Andrés E. Caicedo
Aug 30 at 13:02
Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
â Andrés E. Caicedo
Aug 30 at 13:02
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It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.
It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$
Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
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Aug 30 at 20:19
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I found the following statement:
p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.
For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.
Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
1
down vote
accepted
It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.
It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$
Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
â tchappy ha
Aug 30 at 20:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.
It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$
Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
â tchappy ha
Aug 30 at 20:19
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.
It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$
It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.
It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$
answered Aug 30 at 13:06
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Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
â tchappy ha
Aug 30 at 20:19
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Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
â tchappy ha
Aug 30 at 20:19
Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
â tchappy ha
Aug 30 at 20:19
Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
â tchappy ha
Aug 30 at 20:19
add a comment |Â
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1
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I found the following statement:
p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.
For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.
Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
I found the following statement:
p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.
For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.
Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
I found the following statement:
p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.
For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.
Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.
I found the following statement:
p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.
For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.
Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.
answered Aug 30 at 12:54
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What is your question?
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39
For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49
Yes, it is a rectangle.
â Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52
Thank you very much, Mr. T.
â tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59
3
Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
â Andrés E. Caicedo
Aug 30 at 13:02