About the definition that a subset $A$ of $mathbbR^n$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ in Munkres “Analysis on Manifolds”(p.91)

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I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.




Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$




Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.



$v(Q) = 0$



Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?



If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial




p.97 Exercise 3.

Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.




By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:




For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.




This is his definition of rectangle in his book.







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  • What is your question?
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  • For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 4:49











  • Yes, it is a rectangle.
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:52










  • Thank you very much, Mr. T.
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 5:59






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    Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
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    Aug 30 at 13:02














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I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.




Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$




Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.



$v(Q) = 0$



Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?



If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial




p.97 Exercise 3.

Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.




By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:




For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.




This is his definition of rectangle in his book.







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  • What is your question?
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:39










  • For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 4:49











  • Yes, it is a rectangle.
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:52










  • Thank you very much, Mr. T.
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 5:59






  • 3




    Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
    – Andrés E. Caicedo
    Aug 30 at 13:02












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down vote

favorite









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I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.




Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$




Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.



$v(Q) = 0$



Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?



If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial




p.97 Exercise 3.

Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.




By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:




For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.




This is his definition of rectangle in his book.







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I am reading James R. Munkres "Analysis on Manifolds" now.




Definition.
Let $A$ be a subset of $mathbbR^n$.
We say $A$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ if for very $epsilon > 0$, there is a covering $Q_1, Q_2, dotsc$ of $A$ by countably many reactangles such that
$$
sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon,.
$$




Let $Q := [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [c_i, c_i] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$.



$v(Q) = 0$



Is $Q$ a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$?



If $Q$ is a rectangle, then the following exercise is trivial




p.97 Exercise 3.

Show that the set $mathbbR^n-1 times 0$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$.




By the way, Munkres wrote as follows in p.29:




For example, suppose $Q$ is the rectangle
$$
Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n],
$$
consisting of all points $mathbfx$ of $mathbbR^n$ such that $a_i leq x_i leq b_i$ for all $i$.




This is his definition of rectangle in his book.









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  • What is your question?
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:39










  • For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 4:49











  • Yes, it is a rectangle.
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:52










  • Thank you very much, Mr. T.
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 5:59






  • 3




    Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
    – Andrés E. Caicedo
    Aug 30 at 13:02
















  • What is your question?
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:39










  • For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 4:49











  • Yes, it is a rectangle.
    – Mr. T
    Aug 29 at 4:52










  • Thank you very much, Mr. T.
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 29 at 5:59






  • 3




    Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
    – Andrés E. Caicedo
    Aug 30 at 13:02















What is your question?
– Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39




What is your question?
– Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:39












For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
– tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49





For example, is $Q := [0, 1] times [0, 0]$ a rectangle or not?
– tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 4:49













Yes, it is a rectangle.
– Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52




Yes, it is a rectangle.
– Mr. T
Aug 29 at 4:52












Thank you very much, Mr. T.
– tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59




Thank you very much, Mr. T.
– tchappy ha
Aug 29 at 5:59




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3




Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
Aug 30 at 13:02




Munkres is not trying to trick anybody here. In general, if there are two ways of interpreting a statement, one of which makes it utterly trivial, while the other has content, it may be a good idea to get used to considering the interesting version as the one that was meant.
– Andrés E. Caicedo
Aug 30 at 13:02










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It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.



It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
$$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$






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I found the following statement:




p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.




For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.




Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.







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    It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.



    It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
    and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$






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    It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.



    It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
    and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$






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    • Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
      – tchappy ha
      Aug 30 at 20:19












    up vote
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    accepted







    up vote
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    down vote



    accepted






    It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.



    It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
    and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$






    share|cite|improve this answer












    It's a bit of a corner case that doesn't matter much in the big picture because allowing volume-zero rectangles or not does not change the outcome of the definitions that depend on it.



    It's a good exercise to show this explicitly -- for example: If you have
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q_i) < epsilon $$
    and some of the $Q_i$s have volume $0$, then there is another sequence $Q'_i$ of rectangles with all positive volumes such that
    $$ sum_i=0^infty v(Q'_i) < epsilon qquadtextandqquad bigcup_i=0^infty Q_i subseteq bigcup_i=0^infty Q'_i $$







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    Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
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    Thank you very much for your nice answer., Henning Makholm
    – tchappy ha
    Aug 30 at 20:19










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    I found the following statement:




    p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.




    For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.




    Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.







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      I found the following statement:




      p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.




      For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.




      Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.







      share|cite|improve this answer






















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        I found the following statement:




        p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.




        For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.




        Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.







        share|cite|improve this answer












        I found the following statement:




        p.91 Theorem 11.1 (d) if $Q$ is a rectangle in $mathbbR^n$, then Bd $Q$ has measure zero in $mathbbR^n$ but $Q$ does not.




        For example, consider $Q = [0, 1] times [0, 0]$. Obviously $Q$ has measure zero, so $Q$ is not a rectangle by Munkres' definition in this book.




        Munkres' Definition: $Q = [a_1, b_1] times cdots times [a_n, b_n]$ is a rectangle if and only if $a_i < b_i$ for all $i in 1, cdots, n$.








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