Find Friction Coefficient given initial and final velocity?

The name of the pictureThe name of the pictureThe name of the pictureClash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP











up vote
1
down vote

favorite












I am not sure how to approach a problem involving the friction coefficient when only given initial velocity, final velocity, and distance traveled. I could combine the friction and kinematic equations, but I am only familiar with doing that for one velocity...



Here is the specific problem I had trouble with:



A cardboard box of unknown mass is sliding upon a mythical frictionless surface.



The box has a velocity of 4.56 m/s when it encounters a bit of friction. After sliding 0.700m, the box has a velocity of 3.33 m/s.



What is the coefficient of friction of the surface?



How do I solve this problem in particular, and what is the general procedure to solve problems like this?







share|cite|improve this question
























    up vote
    1
    down vote

    favorite












    I am not sure how to approach a problem involving the friction coefficient when only given initial velocity, final velocity, and distance traveled. I could combine the friction and kinematic equations, but I am only familiar with doing that for one velocity...



    Here is the specific problem I had trouble with:



    A cardboard box of unknown mass is sliding upon a mythical frictionless surface.



    The box has a velocity of 4.56 m/s when it encounters a bit of friction. After sliding 0.700m, the box has a velocity of 3.33 m/s.



    What is the coefficient of friction of the surface?



    How do I solve this problem in particular, and what is the general procedure to solve problems like this?







    share|cite|improve this question






















      up vote
      1
      down vote

      favorite









      up vote
      1
      down vote

      favorite











      I am not sure how to approach a problem involving the friction coefficient when only given initial velocity, final velocity, and distance traveled. I could combine the friction and kinematic equations, but I am only familiar with doing that for one velocity...



      Here is the specific problem I had trouble with:



      A cardboard box of unknown mass is sliding upon a mythical frictionless surface.



      The box has a velocity of 4.56 m/s when it encounters a bit of friction. After sliding 0.700m, the box has a velocity of 3.33 m/s.



      What is the coefficient of friction of the surface?



      How do I solve this problem in particular, and what is the general procedure to solve problems like this?







      share|cite|improve this question












      I am not sure how to approach a problem involving the friction coefficient when only given initial velocity, final velocity, and distance traveled. I could combine the friction and kinematic equations, but I am only familiar with doing that for one velocity...



      Here is the specific problem I had trouble with:



      A cardboard box of unknown mass is sliding upon a mythical frictionless surface.



      The box has a velocity of 4.56 m/s when it encounters a bit of friction. After sliding 0.700m, the box has a velocity of 3.33 m/s.



      What is the coefficient of friction of the surface?



      How do I solve this problem in particular, and what is the general procedure to solve problems like this?









      share|cite|improve this question











      share|cite|improve this question




      share|cite|improve this question










      asked Aug 23 '17 at 22:01









      tyger2020

      327




      327




















          3 Answers
          3






          active

          oldest

          votes

















          up vote
          0
          down vote













          You write an equation that incorporates the information in the problem. Here you are supposed to assume the friction is a constant negative acceleration. If you let $x=0, t=0$ be where it encounters the friction, it is $x=v_0t-frac 12 at^2, v=v_0-at$



          The friction coefficient is the friction force divided by the weight. We are not given the weight here. How do you overcome that?






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • Frictional force: F = ma = mg $mu$. $mu$ = a/g.Makes sense?
            – Peter Szilas
            Aug 23 '17 at 22:49










          • @PeterSzilas : yes, that is right
            – Ross Millikan
            Aug 23 '17 at 22:50










          • @RossMillikan if friction force = a/g, how might I find acceleration if I do not have change in time? With one equation, I got -6.93 for acceleration. Is this correct? Because I did -6.93 / 9.8, got -0.707, and was marked incorrect...
            – tyger2020
            Aug 23 '17 at 23:59










          • I gave you two equations in two unknowns, $a$ and $t$. You should solve them simultaneously with the two velocities you are given. You have $v_0=4.56, v(t)=3.33$ when $x=0.7$
            – Ross Millikan
            Aug 24 '17 at 2:51











          • @RossMillikan Ok, so now I got acceleration = 6.932 and time = 0.19, but how do I use that information to find the friction coefficient? I want to know normal force to use in my equation, but I don't have mass...
            – tyger2020
            Aug 24 '17 at 20:02

















          up vote
          0
          down vote













          Friction is (at a first approximation) a pressure tangential to the surface of contact between two bodies, directed against the movement, and proportional to the contact pressure, by the coefficient of friction $mu$.

          Thus totally it is equal to $mu mg$, and will exert a deceleration equal to $mu g$.
          The law of accelerated motion gives $v_1=v_0-mu g Delta t$, i.e. $Delta t=(v_0-v_1)/(mu g)$.

          Then $s=(v_0-1/2mu g Delta t)Delta t$.

          Can you combine the two and get $mu g$ and thus $mu$ ?






          share|cite|improve this answer



























            up vote
            0
            down vote













            There are a couple of different ways to approach this. One way is to consider the rate of change of the box's speed caused by friction. But given the setup of this problem, I prefer a "work = change in energy" approach instead.



            For the "work" approach, compute the work done by the box against the force of friction over the given distance. That amount of work is an amount of energy expended by the box, which comes out of the box's kinetic energy. That is,
            $$
            textkinetic energy of box before =
            textwork performed + textkinetic energy of box afterwards.
            $$



            Now you just have to figure out formulas for all three of those things.
            The formulas involve some known quantities (distance, speed before, speed after, gravity) and some unknown quantities (mass, coefficient of friction),
            but I usually like to set up the equations using variables for everything (as if all these things were unknown) and then write the equations again with the known things filled in.



            Now you have to hope that after setting up the equation, you can find some kind of cancellation that lets you eliminate the mass. Hint: you can.






            share|cite|improve this answer




















              Your Answer




              StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function ()
              return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function ()
              StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix)
              StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
              );
              );
              , "mathjax-editing");

              StackExchange.ready(function()
              var channelOptions =
              tags: "".split(" "),
              id: "69"
              ;
              initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

              StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
              // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
              if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
              StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
              createEditor();
              );

              else
              createEditor();

              );

              function createEditor()
              StackExchange.prepareEditor(
              heartbeatType: 'answer',
              convertImagesToLinks: true,
              noModals: false,
              showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
              reputationToPostImages: 10,
              bindNavPrevention: true,
              postfix: "",
              noCode: true, onDemand: true,
              discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
              ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
              );



              );













               

              draft saved


              draft discarded


















              StackExchange.ready(
              function ()
              StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f2404018%2ffind-friction-coefficient-given-initial-and-final-velocity%23new-answer', 'question_page');

              );

              Post as a guest






























              3 Answers
              3






              active

              oldest

              votes








              3 Answers
              3






              active

              oldest

              votes









              active

              oldest

              votes






              active

              oldest

              votes








              up vote
              0
              down vote













              You write an equation that incorporates the information in the problem. Here you are supposed to assume the friction is a constant negative acceleration. If you let $x=0, t=0$ be where it encounters the friction, it is $x=v_0t-frac 12 at^2, v=v_0-at$



              The friction coefficient is the friction force divided by the weight. We are not given the weight here. How do you overcome that?






              share|cite|improve this answer




















              • Frictional force: F = ma = mg $mu$. $mu$ = a/g.Makes sense?
                – Peter Szilas
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:49










              • @PeterSzilas : yes, that is right
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:50










              • @RossMillikan if friction force = a/g, how might I find acceleration if I do not have change in time? With one equation, I got -6.93 for acceleration. Is this correct? Because I did -6.93 / 9.8, got -0.707, and was marked incorrect...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 23 '17 at 23:59










              • I gave you two equations in two unknowns, $a$ and $t$. You should solve them simultaneously with the two velocities you are given. You have $v_0=4.56, v(t)=3.33$ when $x=0.7$
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 24 '17 at 2:51











              • @RossMillikan Ok, so now I got acceleration = 6.932 and time = 0.19, but how do I use that information to find the friction coefficient? I want to know normal force to use in my equation, but I don't have mass...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 24 '17 at 20:02














              up vote
              0
              down vote













              You write an equation that incorporates the information in the problem. Here you are supposed to assume the friction is a constant negative acceleration. If you let $x=0, t=0$ be where it encounters the friction, it is $x=v_0t-frac 12 at^2, v=v_0-at$



              The friction coefficient is the friction force divided by the weight. We are not given the weight here. How do you overcome that?






              share|cite|improve this answer




















              • Frictional force: F = ma = mg $mu$. $mu$ = a/g.Makes sense?
                – Peter Szilas
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:49










              • @PeterSzilas : yes, that is right
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:50










              • @RossMillikan if friction force = a/g, how might I find acceleration if I do not have change in time? With one equation, I got -6.93 for acceleration. Is this correct? Because I did -6.93 / 9.8, got -0.707, and was marked incorrect...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 23 '17 at 23:59










              • I gave you two equations in two unknowns, $a$ and $t$. You should solve them simultaneously with the two velocities you are given. You have $v_0=4.56, v(t)=3.33$ when $x=0.7$
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 24 '17 at 2:51











              • @RossMillikan Ok, so now I got acceleration = 6.932 and time = 0.19, but how do I use that information to find the friction coefficient? I want to know normal force to use in my equation, but I don't have mass...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 24 '17 at 20:02












              up vote
              0
              down vote










              up vote
              0
              down vote









              You write an equation that incorporates the information in the problem. Here you are supposed to assume the friction is a constant negative acceleration. If you let $x=0, t=0$ be where it encounters the friction, it is $x=v_0t-frac 12 at^2, v=v_0-at$



              The friction coefficient is the friction force divided by the weight. We are not given the weight here. How do you overcome that?






              share|cite|improve this answer












              You write an equation that incorporates the information in the problem. Here you are supposed to assume the friction is a constant negative acceleration. If you let $x=0, t=0$ be where it encounters the friction, it is $x=v_0t-frac 12 at^2, v=v_0-at$



              The friction coefficient is the friction force divided by the weight. We are not given the weight here. How do you overcome that?







              share|cite|improve this answer












              share|cite|improve this answer



              share|cite|improve this answer










              answered Aug 23 '17 at 22:16









              Ross Millikan

              279k22188355




              279k22188355











              • Frictional force: F = ma = mg $mu$. $mu$ = a/g.Makes sense?
                – Peter Szilas
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:49










              • @PeterSzilas : yes, that is right
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:50










              • @RossMillikan if friction force = a/g, how might I find acceleration if I do not have change in time? With one equation, I got -6.93 for acceleration. Is this correct? Because I did -6.93 / 9.8, got -0.707, and was marked incorrect...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 23 '17 at 23:59










              • I gave you two equations in two unknowns, $a$ and $t$. You should solve them simultaneously with the two velocities you are given. You have $v_0=4.56, v(t)=3.33$ when $x=0.7$
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 24 '17 at 2:51











              • @RossMillikan Ok, so now I got acceleration = 6.932 and time = 0.19, but how do I use that information to find the friction coefficient? I want to know normal force to use in my equation, but I don't have mass...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 24 '17 at 20:02
















              • Frictional force: F = ma = mg $mu$. $mu$ = a/g.Makes sense?
                – Peter Szilas
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:49










              • @PeterSzilas : yes, that is right
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 23 '17 at 22:50










              • @RossMillikan if friction force = a/g, how might I find acceleration if I do not have change in time? With one equation, I got -6.93 for acceleration. Is this correct? Because I did -6.93 / 9.8, got -0.707, and was marked incorrect...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 23 '17 at 23:59










              • I gave you two equations in two unknowns, $a$ and $t$. You should solve them simultaneously with the two velocities you are given. You have $v_0=4.56, v(t)=3.33$ when $x=0.7$
                – Ross Millikan
                Aug 24 '17 at 2:51











              • @RossMillikan Ok, so now I got acceleration = 6.932 and time = 0.19, but how do I use that information to find the friction coefficient? I want to know normal force to use in my equation, but I don't have mass...
                – tyger2020
                Aug 24 '17 at 20:02















              Frictional force: F = ma = mg $mu$. $mu$ = a/g.Makes sense?
              – Peter Szilas
              Aug 23 '17 at 22:49




              Frictional force: F = ma = mg $mu$. $mu$ = a/g.Makes sense?
              – Peter Szilas
              Aug 23 '17 at 22:49












              @PeterSzilas : yes, that is right
              – Ross Millikan
              Aug 23 '17 at 22:50




              @PeterSzilas : yes, that is right
              – Ross Millikan
              Aug 23 '17 at 22:50












              @RossMillikan if friction force = a/g, how might I find acceleration if I do not have change in time? With one equation, I got -6.93 for acceleration. Is this correct? Because I did -6.93 / 9.8, got -0.707, and was marked incorrect...
              – tyger2020
              Aug 23 '17 at 23:59




              @RossMillikan if friction force = a/g, how might I find acceleration if I do not have change in time? With one equation, I got -6.93 for acceleration. Is this correct? Because I did -6.93 / 9.8, got -0.707, and was marked incorrect...
              – tyger2020
              Aug 23 '17 at 23:59












              I gave you two equations in two unknowns, $a$ and $t$. You should solve them simultaneously with the two velocities you are given. You have $v_0=4.56, v(t)=3.33$ when $x=0.7$
              – Ross Millikan
              Aug 24 '17 at 2:51





              I gave you two equations in two unknowns, $a$ and $t$. You should solve them simultaneously with the two velocities you are given. You have $v_0=4.56, v(t)=3.33$ when $x=0.7$
              – Ross Millikan
              Aug 24 '17 at 2:51













              @RossMillikan Ok, so now I got acceleration = 6.932 and time = 0.19, but how do I use that information to find the friction coefficient? I want to know normal force to use in my equation, but I don't have mass...
              – tyger2020
              Aug 24 '17 at 20:02




              @RossMillikan Ok, so now I got acceleration = 6.932 and time = 0.19, but how do I use that information to find the friction coefficient? I want to know normal force to use in my equation, but I don't have mass...
              – tyger2020
              Aug 24 '17 at 20:02










              up vote
              0
              down vote













              Friction is (at a first approximation) a pressure tangential to the surface of contact between two bodies, directed against the movement, and proportional to the contact pressure, by the coefficient of friction $mu$.

              Thus totally it is equal to $mu mg$, and will exert a deceleration equal to $mu g$.
              The law of accelerated motion gives $v_1=v_0-mu g Delta t$, i.e. $Delta t=(v_0-v_1)/(mu g)$.

              Then $s=(v_0-1/2mu g Delta t)Delta t$.

              Can you combine the two and get $mu g$ and thus $mu$ ?






              share|cite|improve this answer
























                up vote
                0
                down vote













                Friction is (at a first approximation) a pressure tangential to the surface of contact between two bodies, directed against the movement, and proportional to the contact pressure, by the coefficient of friction $mu$.

                Thus totally it is equal to $mu mg$, and will exert a deceleration equal to $mu g$.
                The law of accelerated motion gives $v_1=v_0-mu g Delta t$, i.e. $Delta t=(v_0-v_1)/(mu g)$.

                Then $s=(v_0-1/2mu g Delta t)Delta t$.

                Can you combine the two and get $mu g$ and thus $mu$ ?






                share|cite|improve this answer






















                  up vote
                  0
                  down vote










                  up vote
                  0
                  down vote









                  Friction is (at a first approximation) a pressure tangential to the surface of contact between two bodies, directed against the movement, and proportional to the contact pressure, by the coefficient of friction $mu$.

                  Thus totally it is equal to $mu mg$, and will exert a deceleration equal to $mu g$.
                  The law of accelerated motion gives $v_1=v_0-mu g Delta t$, i.e. $Delta t=(v_0-v_1)/(mu g)$.

                  Then $s=(v_0-1/2mu g Delta t)Delta t$.

                  Can you combine the two and get $mu g$ and thus $mu$ ?






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  Friction is (at a first approximation) a pressure tangential to the surface of contact between two bodies, directed against the movement, and proportional to the contact pressure, by the coefficient of friction $mu$.

                  Thus totally it is equal to $mu mg$, and will exert a deceleration equal to $mu g$.
                  The law of accelerated motion gives $v_1=v_0-mu g Delta t$, i.e. $Delta t=(v_0-v_1)/(mu g)$.

                  Then $s=(v_0-1/2mu g Delta t)Delta t$.

                  Can you combine the two and get $mu g$ and thus $mu$ ?







                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  share|cite|improve this answer



                  share|cite|improve this answer










                  answered Aug 23 '17 at 22:31









                  G Cab

                  15.2k31136




                  15.2k31136




















                      up vote
                      0
                      down vote













                      There are a couple of different ways to approach this. One way is to consider the rate of change of the box's speed caused by friction. But given the setup of this problem, I prefer a "work = change in energy" approach instead.



                      For the "work" approach, compute the work done by the box against the force of friction over the given distance. That amount of work is an amount of energy expended by the box, which comes out of the box's kinetic energy. That is,
                      $$
                      textkinetic energy of box before =
                      textwork performed + textkinetic energy of box afterwards.
                      $$



                      Now you just have to figure out formulas for all three of those things.
                      The formulas involve some known quantities (distance, speed before, speed after, gravity) and some unknown quantities (mass, coefficient of friction),
                      but I usually like to set up the equations using variables for everything (as if all these things were unknown) and then write the equations again with the known things filled in.



                      Now you have to hope that after setting up the equation, you can find some kind of cancellation that lets you eliminate the mass. Hint: you can.






                      share|cite|improve this answer
























                        up vote
                        0
                        down vote













                        There are a couple of different ways to approach this. One way is to consider the rate of change of the box's speed caused by friction. But given the setup of this problem, I prefer a "work = change in energy" approach instead.



                        For the "work" approach, compute the work done by the box against the force of friction over the given distance. That amount of work is an amount of energy expended by the box, which comes out of the box's kinetic energy. That is,
                        $$
                        textkinetic energy of box before =
                        textwork performed + textkinetic energy of box afterwards.
                        $$



                        Now you just have to figure out formulas for all three of those things.
                        The formulas involve some known quantities (distance, speed before, speed after, gravity) and some unknown quantities (mass, coefficient of friction),
                        but I usually like to set up the equations using variables for everything (as if all these things were unknown) and then write the equations again with the known things filled in.



                        Now you have to hope that after setting up the equation, you can find some kind of cancellation that lets you eliminate the mass. Hint: you can.






                        share|cite|improve this answer






















                          up vote
                          0
                          down vote










                          up vote
                          0
                          down vote









                          There are a couple of different ways to approach this. One way is to consider the rate of change of the box's speed caused by friction. But given the setup of this problem, I prefer a "work = change in energy" approach instead.



                          For the "work" approach, compute the work done by the box against the force of friction over the given distance. That amount of work is an amount of energy expended by the box, which comes out of the box's kinetic energy. That is,
                          $$
                          textkinetic energy of box before =
                          textwork performed + textkinetic energy of box afterwards.
                          $$



                          Now you just have to figure out formulas for all three of those things.
                          The formulas involve some known quantities (distance, speed before, speed after, gravity) and some unknown quantities (mass, coefficient of friction),
                          but I usually like to set up the equations using variables for everything (as if all these things were unknown) and then write the equations again with the known things filled in.



                          Now you have to hope that after setting up the equation, you can find some kind of cancellation that lets you eliminate the mass. Hint: you can.






                          share|cite|improve this answer












                          There are a couple of different ways to approach this. One way is to consider the rate of change of the box's speed caused by friction. But given the setup of this problem, I prefer a "work = change in energy" approach instead.



                          For the "work" approach, compute the work done by the box against the force of friction over the given distance. That amount of work is an amount of energy expended by the box, which comes out of the box's kinetic energy. That is,
                          $$
                          textkinetic energy of box before =
                          textwork performed + textkinetic energy of box afterwards.
                          $$



                          Now you just have to figure out formulas for all three of those things.
                          The formulas involve some known quantities (distance, speed before, speed after, gravity) and some unknown quantities (mass, coefficient of friction),
                          but I usually like to set up the equations using variables for everything (as if all these things were unknown) and then write the equations again with the known things filled in.



                          Now you have to hope that after setting up the equation, you can find some kind of cancellation that lets you eliminate the mass. Hint: you can.







                          share|cite|improve this answer












                          share|cite|improve this answer



                          share|cite|improve this answer










                          answered Aug 23 '17 at 22:34









                          David K

                          48.9k340109




                          48.9k340109



























                               

                              draft saved


                              draft discarded















































                               


                              draft saved


                              draft discarded














                              StackExchange.ready(
                              function ()
                              StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f2404018%2ffind-friction-coefficient-given-initial-and-final-velocity%23new-answer', 'question_page');

                              );

                              Post as a guest













































































                              這個網誌中的熱門文章

                              tkz-euclide: tkzDrawCircle[R] not working

                              How to combine Bézier curves to a surface?

                              1st Magritte Awards