If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$?

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This question comes in mind while solving another question.




If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?




I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?



I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.



Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?







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    Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
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This question comes in mind while solving another question.




If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?




I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?



I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.



Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?







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    Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 24 at 9:50













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This question comes in mind while solving another question.




If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?




I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?



I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.



Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?







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This question comes in mind while solving another question.




If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?




I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?



I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.



Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?









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    Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 24 at 9:50













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    Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 24 at 9:50








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Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
– Saucy O'Path
Aug 24 at 9:50





Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
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Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$






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  • Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
    – Vee Hua Zhi
    Aug 24 at 9:51










  • Nice. In fact you’ve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
    – Macavity
    Aug 24 at 14:02










  • Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
    – Vee Hua Zhi
    Aug 24 at 14:04


















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Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$






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    By Rearrangement inequality we have that



    $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$






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      I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
      sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
      $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$



      As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
      $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
      and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.



      We can do better:
      $$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
      etc. Therefore
      $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
      lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$






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        Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
        $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$






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        • Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 9:51










        • Nice. In fact you’ve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
          – Macavity
          Aug 24 at 14:02










        • Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 14:04















        up vote
        3
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        accepted










        Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
        $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$






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        • Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 9:51










        • Nice. In fact you’ve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
          – Macavity
          Aug 24 at 14:02










        • Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 14:04













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        Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
        $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$






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        Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
        $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$







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        answered Aug 24 at 9:50









        Robert Z

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        • Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 9:51










        • Nice. In fact you’ve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
          – Macavity
          Aug 24 at 14:02










        • Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 14:04

















        • Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 9:51










        • Nice. In fact you’ve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
          – Macavity
          Aug 24 at 14:02










        • Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
          – Vee Hua Zhi
          Aug 24 at 14:04
















        Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
        – Vee Hua Zhi
        Aug 24 at 9:51




        Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
        – Vee Hua Zhi
        Aug 24 at 9:51












        Nice. In fact you’ve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
        – Macavity
        Aug 24 at 14:02




        Nice. In fact you’ve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
        – Macavity
        Aug 24 at 14:02












        Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
        – Vee Hua Zhi
        Aug 24 at 14:04





        Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
        – Vee Hua Zhi
        Aug 24 at 14:04











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        Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$






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          Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$






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            Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$






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            Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$







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            answered Aug 24 at 9:50









            Mostafa Ayaz

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                By Rearrangement inequality we have that



                $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$






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                  By Rearrangement inequality we have that



                  $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$






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                    up vote
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                    By Rearrangement inequality we have that



                    $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$






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                    By Rearrangement inequality we have that



                    $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$







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                    answered Aug 24 at 10:37









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                        I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
                        sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
                        $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$



                        As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
                        $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
                        and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.



                        We can do better:
                        $$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
                        etc. Therefore
                        $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
                        lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$






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                          I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
                          sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
                          $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$



                          As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
                          $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
                          and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.



                          We can do better:
                          $$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
                          etc. Therefore
                          $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
                          lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$






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                            up vote
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                            I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
                            sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
                            $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$



                            As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
                            $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
                            and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.



                            We can do better:
                            $$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
                            etc. Therefore
                            $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
                            lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$






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                            I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
                            sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
                            $$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$



                            As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
                            $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
                            and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.



                            We can do better:
                            $$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
                            etc. Therefore
                            $$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
                            lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$







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