If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$?
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This question comes in mind while solving another question.
If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?
I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?
I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.
Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?
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This question comes in mind while solving another question.
If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?
I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?
I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.
Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?
inequality
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Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
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This question comes in mind while solving another question.
If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?
I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?
I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.
Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?
inequality
This question comes in mind while solving another question.
If $abc=1$, does $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq a+b+c$ ?
I wonder if this question (if $abc=1$, then $a^2+b^2+c^2ge a+b+c$) helps?
I wondered if AM-GM could help, but the extra square keeps bothering me while solving it.
Another thought: If $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 geq 1$, then this statement will be true. But how can I prove it?
inequality
asked Aug 24 at 9:46
Vee Hua Zhi
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Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 24 at 9:50
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Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 24 at 9:50
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Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 24 at 9:50
Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
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Aug 24 at 9:50
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Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$
Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 9:51
Nice. In fact youâÂÂve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
â Macavity
Aug 24 at 14:02
Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 14:04
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Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$
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By Rearrangement inequality we have that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$
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I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$
As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.
We can do better:
$$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
etc. Therefore
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$
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4 Answers
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4 Answers
4
active
oldest
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active
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active
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Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$
Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 9:51
Nice. In fact youâÂÂve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
â Macavity
Aug 24 at 14:02
Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 14:04
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Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$
Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 9:51
Nice. In fact youâÂÂve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
â Macavity
Aug 24 at 14:02
Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 14:04
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up vote
3
down vote
accepted
up vote
3
down vote
accepted
Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$
Yes, that question helps a lot! Note that by AM-GM inequality $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3(a^2b^2c^2)^1/3=3$. Since $x^2geq x$ for all $xgeq 1$, it follows that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2geq a^2+b^2+c^2geq a+b+c.$$
edited Aug 24 at 9:51
answered Aug 24 at 9:50
Robert Z
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Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 9:51
Nice. In fact youâÂÂve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
â Macavity
Aug 24 at 14:02
Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 14:04
add a comment |Â
Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 9:51
Nice. In fact youâÂÂve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
â Macavity
Aug 24 at 14:02
Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 14:04
Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 9:51
Really thank you! I did not realise that it was this simple.
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 9:51
Nice. In fact youâÂÂve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
â Macavity
Aug 24 at 14:02
Nice. In fact youâÂÂve nearly shown LHS $ge 3$RHS.
â Macavity
Aug 24 at 14:02
Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 14:04
Well @Macavity LHS $ge$ 3RHS is true
â Vee Hua Zhi
Aug 24 at 14:04
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Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$
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Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$
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Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$
Hint: use Lagrange multipliers method with $$f(a,b,c)=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2+a+b+c\g(a,b,c)=abc=1\nabla f=lambdanabla g$$
answered Aug 24 at 9:50
Mostafa Ayaz
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By Rearrangement inequality we have that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$
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By Rearrangement inequality we have that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$
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By Rearrangement inequality we have that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$
By Rearrangement inequality we have that
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge a^4+b^4+c^4ge a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab=abc(a+b+c)=a+b+c$$
answered Aug 24 at 10:37
gimusi
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I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$
As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.
We can do better:
$$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
etc. Therefore
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$
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up vote
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I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$
As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.
We can do better:
$$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
etc. Therefore
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$
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up vote
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up vote
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I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$
As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.
We can do better:
$$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
etc. Therefore
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$
I'll suppose $a$, $b$, $c>0$ as that always seems to be assumed in these
sorts of problems. Then your inequality is equivalent to
$$(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2ge abc(a+b+c)=a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2ab.$$
As $bclefrac12(b^2+c^2)$ etc. we get
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2$$
and that is clearly less than $(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2$.
We can do better:
$$fraca^4+b^42+2a^2b^2ge3a^2b^2$$
etc. Therefore
$$a^2bc+b^2ac+c^2able a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2
lefrac13(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2.$$
answered Aug 24 at 9:52
Lord Shark the Unknown
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Quoting from the question you've linked: First of all, $a^2+b^2+c^2ge 3$.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 24 at 9:50