Can this notation be used to describe relations that are not functions?
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I have only seen the notation $f : A rightarrow B$ used for discussing functions. Can this notation be used for relations that are not functions?
For example, $tan : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ appears to define a relation that is not left-total (for example $frac pi 2in mathbb R$ is not mapped to anything in codomain $mathbb R$) and hence not a function. Would it be incorrect to express this relation, that is not a function, using this notation?
Edit: To borrow a great example from Arthur's answer below, consider the notation $le; : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$. This seems to me to unambiguously express a relation that, while left-total is certainly not functional (e.g. $(3, 3), (3, 4) in ;le$) and hence not a function. If it's unambiguous, surely this notation can be used to express this relation that is not a function...
I guess I could express my question more clearly as: is there anything in the expression $f:Arightarrow B$ that asserts that $f$ is not merely a relation but specifically a function?
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I have only seen the notation $f : A rightarrow B$ used for discussing functions. Can this notation be used for relations that are not functions?
For example, $tan : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ appears to define a relation that is not left-total (for example $frac pi 2in mathbb R$ is not mapped to anything in codomain $mathbb R$) and hence not a function. Would it be incorrect to express this relation, that is not a function, using this notation?
Edit: To borrow a great example from Arthur's answer below, consider the notation $le; : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$. This seems to me to unambiguously express a relation that, while left-total is certainly not functional (e.g. $(3, 3), (3, 4) in ;le$) and hence not a function. If it's unambiguous, surely this notation can be used to express this relation that is not a function...
I guess I could express my question more clearly as: is there anything in the expression $f:Arightarrow B$ that asserts that $f$ is not merely a relation but specifically a function?
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I have only seen the notation $f : A rightarrow B$ used for discussing functions. Can this notation be used for relations that are not functions?
For example, $tan : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ appears to define a relation that is not left-total (for example $frac pi 2in mathbb R$ is not mapped to anything in codomain $mathbb R$) and hence not a function. Would it be incorrect to express this relation, that is not a function, using this notation?
Edit: To borrow a great example from Arthur's answer below, consider the notation $le; : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$. This seems to me to unambiguously express a relation that, while left-total is certainly not functional (e.g. $(3, 3), (3, 4) in ;le$) and hence not a function. If it's unambiguous, surely this notation can be used to express this relation that is not a function...
I guess I could express my question more clearly as: is there anything in the expression $f:Arightarrow B$ that asserts that $f$ is not merely a relation but specifically a function?
functions elementary-set-theory notation relations
I have only seen the notation $f : A rightarrow B$ used for discussing functions. Can this notation be used for relations that are not functions?
For example, $tan : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$ appears to define a relation that is not left-total (for example $frac pi 2in mathbb R$ is not mapped to anything in codomain $mathbb R$) and hence not a function. Would it be incorrect to express this relation, that is not a function, using this notation?
Edit: To borrow a great example from Arthur's answer below, consider the notation $le; : mathbb R rightarrow mathbb R$. This seems to me to unambiguously express a relation that, while left-total is certainly not functional (e.g. $(3, 3), (3, 4) in ;le$) and hence not a function. If it's unambiguous, surely this notation can be used to express this relation that is not a function...
I guess I could express my question more clearly as: is there anything in the expression $f:Arightarrow B$ that asserts that $f$ is not merely a relation but specifically a function?
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There is a category of relations having sets as objects and binary relations as arrows.
In that context the notation: $$R:Ato B$$ where $Rsubseteq Atimes B$, is fine.
In my view (somewhat coloured by categories) the expression $f:Ato B$ on its own is not enough to state that we are dealing with a function (or a relation).
I do recognize it as an arrow in a category and the context must make clear which category.
So my answer to your last question is: "no".
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An entirely correct way would be $tansubseteq Bbb RtimesBbb R$. I think $tan: Bbb RtoBbb R$ would be considered technically incorrect but in many circumstances within allowable abuse of notation, mostly because $tan$ is still a partial function defined on most of the given domain. Writing something like $leq:Bbb RtoBbb R$ is probably taking it too far.
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Rather then "function-like" would "Partial function" be more useful?
â Q the Platypus
Aug 24 at 7:21
@QthePlatypus You're right. I fixed it up.
â Arthur
Aug 24 at 7:22
Hmm. I think the $tan$ you are referring to (when you say it is a subset of $mathbb R times mathbb R$) is not just function-like, but a function in all senses, because $frac pi 2$, for example, is (usually implicitly) not part of the domain. In my example I explicitly said that the domain was the entire $mathbb R$... My example is not the relation we generally understand by $tan$ stated on its own.
â Richard Ambler
Aug 24 at 7:23
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2 Answers
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active
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active
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4
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There is a category of relations having sets as objects and binary relations as arrows.
In that context the notation: $$R:Ato B$$ where $Rsubseteq Atimes B$, is fine.
In my view (somewhat coloured by categories) the expression $f:Ato B$ on its own is not enough to state that we are dealing with a function (or a relation).
I do recognize it as an arrow in a category and the context must make clear which category.
So my answer to your last question is: "no".
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There is a category of relations having sets as objects and binary relations as arrows.
In that context the notation: $$R:Ato B$$ where $Rsubseteq Atimes B$, is fine.
In my view (somewhat coloured by categories) the expression $f:Ato B$ on its own is not enough to state that we are dealing with a function (or a relation).
I do recognize it as an arrow in a category and the context must make clear which category.
So my answer to your last question is: "no".
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4
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up vote
4
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There is a category of relations having sets as objects and binary relations as arrows.
In that context the notation: $$R:Ato B$$ where $Rsubseteq Atimes B$, is fine.
In my view (somewhat coloured by categories) the expression $f:Ato B$ on its own is not enough to state that we are dealing with a function (or a relation).
I do recognize it as an arrow in a category and the context must make clear which category.
So my answer to your last question is: "no".
There is a category of relations having sets as objects and binary relations as arrows.
In that context the notation: $$R:Ato B$$ where $Rsubseteq Atimes B$, is fine.
In my view (somewhat coloured by categories) the expression $f:Ato B$ on its own is not enough to state that we are dealing with a function (or a relation).
I do recognize it as an arrow in a category and the context must make clear which category.
So my answer to your last question is: "no".
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answered Aug 24 at 7:40
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An entirely correct way would be $tansubseteq Bbb RtimesBbb R$. I think $tan: Bbb RtoBbb R$ would be considered technically incorrect but in many circumstances within allowable abuse of notation, mostly because $tan$ is still a partial function defined on most of the given domain. Writing something like $leq:Bbb RtoBbb R$ is probably taking it too far.
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Rather then "function-like" would "Partial function" be more useful?
â Q the Platypus
Aug 24 at 7:21
@QthePlatypus You're right. I fixed it up.
â Arthur
Aug 24 at 7:22
Hmm. I think the $tan$ you are referring to (when you say it is a subset of $mathbb R times mathbb R$) is not just function-like, but a function in all senses, because $frac pi 2$, for example, is (usually implicitly) not part of the domain. In my example I explicitly said that the domain was the entire $mathbb R$... My example is not the relation we generally understand by $tan$ stated on its own.
â Richard Ambler
Aug 24 at 7:23
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An entirely correct way would be $tansubseteq Bbb RtimesBbb R$. I think $tan: Bbb RtoBbb R$ would be considered technically incorrect but in many circumstances within allowable abuse of notation, mostly because $tan$ is still a partial function defined on most of the given domain. Writing something like $leq:Bbb RtoBbb R$ is probably taking it too far.
1
Rather then "function-like" would "Partial function" be more useful?
â Q the Platypus
Aug 24 at 7:21
@QthePlatypus You're right. I fixed it up.
â Arthur
Aug 24 at 7:22
Hmm. I think the $tan$ you are referring to (when you say it is a subset of $mathbb R times mathbb R$) is not just function-like, but a function in all senses, because $frac pi 2$, for example, is (usually implicitly) not part of the domain. In my example I explicitly said that the domain was the entire $mathbb R$... My example is not the relation we generally understand by $tan$ stated on its own.
â Richard Ambler
Aug 24 at 7:23
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up vote
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An entirely correct way would be $tansubseteq Bbb RtimesBbb R$. I think $tan: Bbb RtoBbb R$ would be considered technically incorrect but in many circumstances within allowable abuse of notation, mostly because $tan$ is still a partial function defined on most of the given domain. Writing something like $leq:Bbb RtoBbb R$ is probably taking it too far.
An entirely correct way would be $tansubseteq Bbb RtimesBbb R$. I think $tan: Bbb RtoBbb R$ would be considered technically incorrect but in many circumstances within allowable abuse of notation, mostly because $tan$ is still a partial function defined on most of the given domain. Writing something like $leq:Bbb RtoBbb R$ is probably taking it too far.
edited Aug 24 at 7:22
answered Aug 24 at 7:16
Arthur
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Rather then "function-like" would "Partial function" be more useful?
â Q the Platypus
Aug 24 at 7:21
@QthePlatypus You're right. I fixed it up.
â Arthur
Aug 24 at 7:22
Hmm. I think the $tan$ you are referring to (when you say it is a subset of $mathbb R times mathbb R$) is not just function-like, but a function in all senses, because $frac pi 2$, for example, is (usually implicitly) not part of the domain. In my example I explicitly said that the domain was the entire $mathbb R$... My example is not the relation we generally understand by $tan$ stated on its own.
â Richard Ambler
Aug 24 at 7:23
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1
Rather then "function-like" would "Partial function" be more useful?
â Q the Platypus
Aug 24 at 7:21
@QthePlatypus You're right. I fixed it up.
â Arthur
Aug 24 at 7:22
Hmm. I think the $tan$ you are referring to (when you say it is a subset of $mathbb R times mathbb R$) is not just function-like, but a function in all senses, because $frac pi 2$, for example, is (usually implicitly) not part of the domain. In my example I explicitly said that the domain was the entire $mathbb R$... My example is not the relation we generally understand by $tan$ stated on its own.
â Richard Ambler
Aug 24 at 7:23
1
1
Rather then "function-like" would "Partial function" be more useful?
â Q the Platypus
Aug 24 at 7:21
Rather then "function-like" would "Partial function" be more useful?
â Q the Platypus
Aug 24 at 7:21
@QthePlatypus You're right. I fixed it up.
â Arthur
Aug 24 at 7:22
@QthePlatypus You're right. I fixed it up.
â Arthur
Aug 24 at 7:22
Hmm. I think the $tan$ you are referring to (when you say it is a subset of $mathbb R times mathbb R$) is not just function-like, but a function in all senses, because $frac pi 2$, for example, is (usually implicitly) not part of the domain. In my example I explicitly said that the domain was the entire $mathbb R$... My example is not the relation we generally understand by $tan$ stated on its own.
â Richard Ambler
Aug 24 at 7:23
Hmm. I think the $tan$ you are referring to (when you say it is a subset of $mathbb R times mathbb R$) is not just function-like, but a function in all senses, because $frac pi 2$, for example, is (usually implicitly) not part of the domain. In my example I explicitly said that the domain was the entire $mathbb R$... My example is not the relation we generally understand by $tan$ stated on its own.
â Richard Ambler
Aug 24 at 7:23
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