Using $epsilon-delta$-definition to prove the sign of $f$

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Theorem:



If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.



Proof:



$underline f(a)gt 0:$
Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that



$$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
$$
$$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$




My following questions are:



  • Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.


  • And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?




P.S.:



I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.







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    Theorem:



    If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.



    Proof:



    $underline f(a)gt 0:$
    Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that



    $$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
    $$
    $$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$




    My following questions are:



    • Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.


    • And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?




    P.S.:



    I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.







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      Theorem:



      If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.



      Proof:



      $underline f(a)gt 0:$
      Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that



      $$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
      $$
      $$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$




      My following questions are:



      • Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.


      • And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?




      P.S.:



      I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.







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      Theorem:



      If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.



      Proof:



      $underline f(a)gt 0:$
      Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that



      $$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
      $$
      $$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$




      My following questions are:



      • Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.


      • And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?




      P.S.:



      I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.









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          By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :



          $$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$



          My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$




          However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.



          That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$






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          • But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:10











          • There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:15










          • Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:17










          • In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:24










          • Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:25

















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          If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.



          Can you take it from here ?






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          • That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 9:58











          • Yes, you are right.
            – Fred
            Aug 24 at 10:01










          • So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:02











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          By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :



          $$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$



          My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$




          However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.



          That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$






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          • But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:10











          • There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:15










          • Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:17










          • In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:24










          • Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:25














          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted










          By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :



          $$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$



          My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$




          However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.



          That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:10











          • There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:15










          • Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:17










          • In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:24










          • Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:25












          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted






          By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :



          $$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$



          My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$




          However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.



          That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$






          share|cite|improve this answer














          By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :



          $$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$



          My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$




          However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.



          That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$







          share|cite|improve this answer














          share|cite|improve this answer



          share|cite|improve this answer








          edited Aug 24 at 10:20

























          answered Aug 24 at 10:08









          PbWO4

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          • But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:10











          • There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:15










          • Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:17










          • In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:24










          • Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:25
















          • But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:10











          • There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:15










          • Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:17










          • In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
            – PbWO4
            Aug 24 at 10:24










          • Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:25















          But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:10





          But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:10













          There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
          – PbWO4
          Aug 24 at 10:15




          There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
          – PbWO4
          Aug 24 at 10:15












          Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:17




          Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:17












          In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
          – PbWO4
          Aug 24 at 10:24




          In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
          – PbWO4
          Aug 24 at 10:24












          Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:25




          Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:25










          up vote
          0
          down vote













          If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.



          Can you take it from here ?






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 9:58











          • Yes, you are right.
            – Fred
            Aug 24 at 10:01










          • So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:02















          up vote
          0
          down vote













          If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.



          Can you take it from here ?






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 9:58











          • Yes, you are right.
            – Fred
            Aug 24 at 10:01










          • So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:02













          up vote
          0
          down vote










          up vote
          0
          down vote









          If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.



          Can you take it from here ?






          share|cite|improve this answer












          If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.



          Can you take it from here ?







          share|cite|improve this answer












          share|cite|improve this answer



          share|cite|improve this answer










          answered Aug 24 at 9:55









          Fred

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          • That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 9:58











          • Yes, you are right.
            – Fred
            Aug 24 at 10:01










          • So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:02

















          • That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 9:58











          • Yes, you are right.
            – Fred
            Aug 24 at 10:01










          • So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
            – Anonymous I
            Aug 24 at 10:02
















          That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 9:58





          That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 9:58













          Yes, you are right.
          – Fred
          Aug 24 at 10:01




          Yes, you are right.
          – Fred
          Aug 24 at 10:01












          So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:02





          So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
          – Anonymous I
          Aug 24 at 10:02


















           

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