Using $epsilon-delta$-definition to prove the sign of $f$
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Theorem:
If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.
Proof:
$underline f(a)gt 0:$
Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that
$$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
$$
$$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$
My following questions are:
Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.
And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?
P.S.:
I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.
calculus proof-explanation epsilon-delta
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Theorem:
If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.
Proof:
$underline f(a)gt 0:$
Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that
$$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
$$
$$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$
My following questions are:
Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.
And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?
P.S.:
I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.
calculus proof-explanation epsilon-delta
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Theorem:
If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.
Proof:
$underline f(a)gt 0:$
Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that
$$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
$$
$$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$
My following questions are:
Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.
And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?
P.S.:
I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.
calculus proof-explanation epsilon-delta
Theorem:
If $f$ is continuous in $ain D_f$ en $f(a)ne 0$, then $f$ contains her sign in an environment around a.
Proof:
$underline f(a)gt 0:$
Take $epsilon =dfracf(a)2$ then it guarantees the existence of a $deltagt 0$ so that
$$|x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow f(a)-f(x)le |f(a)-f(x)|le dfracf(a)2qquad(1.1)
$$
$$Longrightarrow |x-a|ltdeltaRightarrow 0ltdfracf(a)2lt f(x)qquad (1.2) $$
My following questions are:
Why does it say in step 1.2 f(a) -f(x) and not f(x)-f(a)? Because I'd think I'd take it over from the $epsilon-delta$-definition.
And is it correct to explain the step 1.1 to 1.2 as because $|f(a) -f(x)|= -f(a)+f(x)$ and $ f(a) -f(x)$ so that the second one cancels the left side of the inequality at step 1.1?
P.S.:
I know I left the second case $f(a)lt 0$ out of it but it's analoguous to the former case. The only thing you have to replace is that $epsilon=dfrac-f(a) 2$ and alter the inequality.
calculus proof-explanation epsilon-delta
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By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :
$$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$
My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$
However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.
That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$
But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:10
There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:15
Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:17
In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:24
Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:25
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If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.
Can you take it from here ?
That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 9:58
Yes, you are right.
â Fred
Aug 24 at 10:01
So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
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Aug 24 at 10:02
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2 Answers
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By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :
$$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$
My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$
However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.
That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$
But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:10
There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:15
Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:17
In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:24
Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:25
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up vote
2
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accepted
By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :
$$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$
My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$
However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.
That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$
But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:10
There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:15
Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:17
In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:24
Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:25
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :
$$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$
My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$
However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.
That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$
By using the definition of the absolute value, $(1.1)$ could be rewritten as :
$$ |x-a| <delta Rightarrow f(x)in left[ fracf(a)2 , frac3,f(a)2right]$$
My advice would just be to forget $ f(a) -f(x)$ and just work with $|f(a) -f(x)|$
However, you cannot assume you know the sign of $f(a)-f(x)$ as supposed in yous second point. You have to work with the absolute value instead.
That would allow you to write $-epsilon<f(a) -f(x)<epsilon$ or $-epsilon<f(x) -f(a)<epsilon$ (your choice) in order to prove $(1.2)$
edited Aug 24 at 10:20
answered Aug 24 at 10:08
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But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:10
There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:15
Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:17
In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:24
Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:25
add a comment |Â
But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:10
There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:15
Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:17
In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:24
Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:25
But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:10
But why is |f(a)-f(x)| and not |f(x)-f(a)| just like in the $epsilon$-$delta$-defintion? I had already found that by the way.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:10
There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:15
There is no reason, both are interchangeable, why would that be a problem ? If you want to write it that way, I'm not going to fault you for writing $|a-b|$ instead of $|b-a|$
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:15
Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:17
Oké, I just have a history of small detailed mistakes. And I'd like to avoid them.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:17
In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:24
In this case, as in most in this field, you are dealing with distances. $|f(x)-f(a)|$ is of course the result of the operations, but you should probably view it as the distance between two points
â PbWO4
Aug 24 at 10:24
Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:25
Ok, thanks for the confirmation.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:25
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
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If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.
Can you take it from here ?
That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 9:58
Yes, you are right.
â Fred
Aug 24 at 10:01
So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:02
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up vote
0
down vote
If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.
Can you take it from here ?
That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 9:58
Yes, you are right.
â Fred
Aug 24 at 10:01
So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:02
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
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If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.
Can you take it from here ?
If $|u-v|< epsilon$, then $u-v< epsilon$ and $v-u< epsilon$.
Can you take it from here ?
answered Aug 24 at 9:55
Fred
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That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 9:58
Yes, you are right.
â Fred
Aug 24 at 10:01
So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:02
add a comment |Â
That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 9:58
Yes, you are right.
â Fred
Aug 24 at 10:01
So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:02
That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 9:58
That's what I said, right? I maybe have to change the disjunction 'or'.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 9:58
Yes, you are right.
â Fred
Aug 24 at 10:01
Yes, you are right.
â Fred
Aug 24 at 10:01
So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:02
So there could stand f(x) -f(a)? So it would become $f(x)-f(a)lt |f(x)-f(a)|ltdfracf(a)2$.
â Anonymous I
Aug 24 at 10:02
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