Why are two maximum power dissipation mentioned for this transistor?

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I am wondering why manufacturers mention two different maximum power dissipation values for transistors like 2N1613:



2N1613 datasheet on the power dissipation



Does it have anything to do with whether a heatsink is used or not?







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    I am wondering why manufacturers mention two different maximum power dissipation values for transistors like 2N1613:



    2N1613 datasheet on the power dissipation



    Does it have anything to do with whether a heatsink is used or not?







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      I am wondering why manufacturers mention two different maximum power dissipation values for transistors like 2N1613:



      2N1613 datasheet on the power dissipation



      Does it have anything to do with whether a heatsink is used or not?







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      I am wondering why manufacturers mention two different maximum power dissipation values for transistors like 2N1613:



      2N1613 datasheet on the power dissipation



      Does it have anything to do with whether a heatsink is used or not?









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          Normally transistor power dissipation is quoted for TA and TC. Renesas explain it as follows:




          The specification at TA = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation of a discrete semiconductor element in an environment with an ambient temperature of 25°C. In this case, the thermal resistance from the heat source to the ambient air is expressed as Rth(j-a).



          The specification at TC = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation when the semiconductor element (case) itself has been forcibly cooled, i.e., when temperature of the package surface is kept at 25°C.



          Note that the ratings may include the note "with infinite heat sink". However, in actual use, it is very difficult to make the package surface temperature exactly 25°C, and if you also take derating into account, the allowable power will in fact be somewhere in between TA = 25°C and TC = 25°C.




          In your example, the maximum power dissipation when TC = 25°C is 3.0 W and the maximum power dissipation when TA = 25°C is 0.8 W. Note that when the ambient temperature is 25°C the case temperature is likely much higher, so the maximum power rating must be lower.



          Adequate cooling makes a big difference.






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            They're limits for different operating conditions:



            enter image description here



            So the first limit is when the case temperature ($T_C$) is held at 25 C by some means (for example with a heat sink and forced air cooling, or just by operating the part with low duty cycle).



            And the second one is when the ambient temperature ($T_A$) is 25 C, so the case will be heating up above that temperature.






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              Normally transistor power dissipation is quoted for TA and TC. Renesas explain it as follows:




              The specification at TA = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation of a discrete semiconductor element in an environment with an ambient temperature of 25°C. In this case, the thermal resistance from the heat source to the ambient air is expressed as Rth(j-a).



              The specification at TC = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation when the semiconductor element (case) itself has been forcibly cooled, i.e., when temperature of the package surface is kept at 25°C.



              Note that the ratings may include the note "with infinite heat sink". However, in actual use, it is very difficult to make the package surface temperature exactly 25°C, and if you also take derating into account, the allowable power will in fact be somewhere in between TA = 25°C and TC = 25°C.




              In your example, the maximum power dissipation when TC = 25°C is 3.0 W and the maximum power dissipation when TA = 25°C is 0.8 W. Note that when the ambient temperature is 25°C the case temperature is likely much higher, so the maximum power rating must be lower.



              Adequate cooling makes a big difference.






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                Normally transistor power dissipation is quoted for TA and TC. Renesas explain it as follows:




                The specification at TA = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation of a discrete semiconductor element in an environment with an ambient temperature of 25°C. In this case, the thermal resistance from the heat source to the ambient air is expressed as Rth(j-a).



                The specification at TC = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation when the semiconductor element (case) itself has been forcibly cooled, i.e., when temperature of the package surface is kept at 25°C.



                Note that the ratings may include the note "with infinite heat sink". However, in actual use, it is very difficult to make the package surface temperature exactly 25°C, and if you also take derating into account, the allowable power will in fact be somewhere in between TA = 25°C and TC = 25°C.




                In your example, the maximum power dissipation when TC = 25°C is 3.0 W and the maximum power dissipation when TA = 25°C is 0.8 W. Note that when the ambient temperature is 25°C the case temperature is likely much higher, so the maximum power rating must be lower.



                Adequate cooling makes a big difference.






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                  Normally transistor power dissipation is quoted for TA and TC. Renesas explain it as follows:




                  The specification at TA = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation of a discrete semiconductor element in an environment with an ambient temperature of 25°C. In this case, the thermal resistance from the heat source to the ambient air is expressed as Rth(j-a).



                  The specification at TC = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation when the semiconductor element (case) itself has been forcibly cooled, i.e., when temperature of the package surface is kept at 25°C.



                  Note that the ratings may include the note "with infinite heat sink". However, in actual use, it is very difficult to make the package surface temperature exactly 25°C, and if you also take derating into account, the allowable power will in fact be somewhere in between TA = 25°C and TC = 25°C.




                  In your example, the maximum power dissipation when TC = 25°C is 3.0 W and the maximum power dissipation when TA = 25°C is 0.8 W. Note that when the ambient temperature is 25°C the case temperature is likely much higher, so the maximum power rating must be lower.



                  Adequate cooling makes a big difference.






                  share|improve this answer














                  Normally transistor power dissipation is quoted for TA and TC. Renesas explain it as follows:




                  The specification at TA = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation of a discrete semiconductor element in an environment with an ambient temperature of 25°C. In this case, the thermal resistance from the heat source to the ambient air is expressed as Rth(j-a).



                  The specification at TC = 25°C in the power ratings refers to the total power dissipation when the semiconductor element (case) itself has been forcibly cooled, i.e., when temperature of the package surface is kept at 25°C.



                  Note that the ratings may include the note "with infinite heat sink". However, in actual use, it is very difficult to make the package surface temperature exactly 25°C, and if you also take derating into account, the allowable power will in fact be somewhere in between TA = 25°C and TC = 25°C.




                  In your example, the maximum power dissipation when TC = 25°C is 3.0 W and the maximum power dissipation when TA = 25°C is 0.8 W. Note that when the ambient temperature is 25°C the case temperature is likely much higher, so the maximum power rating must be lower.



                  Adequate cooling makes a big difference.







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                      They're limits for different operating conditions:



                      enter image description here



                      So the first limit is when the case temperature ($T_C$) is held at 25 C by some means (for example with a heat sink and forced air cooling, or just by operating the part with low duty cycle).



                      And the second one is when the ambient temperature ($T_A$) is 25 C, so the case will be heating up above that temperature.






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                        They're limits for different operating conditions:



                        enter image description here



                        So the first limit is when the case temperature ($T_C$) is held at 25 C by some means (for example with a heat sink and forced air cooling, or just by operating the part with low duty cycle).



                        And the second one is when the ambient temperature ($T_A$) is 25 C, so the case will be heating up above that temperature.






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                          They're limits for different operating conditions:



                          enter image description here



                          So the first limit is when the case temperature ($T_C$) is held at 25 C by some means (for example with a heat sink and forced air cooling, or just by operating the part with low duty cycle).



                          And the second one is when the ambient temperature ($T_A$) is 25 C, so the case will be heating up above that temperature.






                          share|improve this answer












                          They're limits for different operating conditions:



                          enter image description here



                          So the first limit is when the case temperature ($T_C$) is held at 25 C by some means (for example with a heat sink and forced air cooling, or just by operating the part with low duty cycle).



                          And the second one is when the ambient temperature ($T_A$) is 25 C, so the case will be heating up above that temperature.







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