Deciding whether the maximal ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is generated by two elements

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Let $phi$ be a ring homomorphism $mathbbC[x,y,z] to mathbbC[s,t]$ such that $phi(x) = s, phi(y) = st,$ and $phi(z) = t^2.$ Let $R = operatornameImphi.$ Let $(a,b,c)inmathbbC^3$ and suppose $mathfrakm = (s-a,st-b,t^2-c)$ be a maximal ideal of $R.$ The question asks me to find all $(a,b,c) in mathbbC^3$ such that the ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is not generated by two elements.



These have been my ideas so far:



First of all, by the first isomorphism theorem, $$R cong mathbbC[x,y,z]/(y^2-x^2z).$$ The ideal $mathfrakm$ then corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z].$



Certainly, $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is generated by at most $3$ elements, as the images of the generators of $mathfrakm$ will generate $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ So we need to find $(a,b,c)$ such that $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or generated by three elements.



By Krull's height theorem, if $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) geq 2,$ then $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal, as the height of a proper ideal is bounded above by the number of generators of that ideal. Furthermore, $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) = mathrmht(mathfrakm)$ as the localisation gives us a bijection between prime ideals of $R$ contained in $mathfrakm$ and prime ideals of $R_mathfrakm.$



As commented above, $mathfrakm$ corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z],$ so we need to consider the prime ideals $mathfrakp subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ such that $(y^2-x^2z) subseteq mathfrakp subseteq (x-a,y-b,z-c).$



For example, if we consider $(a,b,c) = (0,0,0),$ we would have the following chain of ideals in $mathbbC[x,y,z]:$
$$(y^2-x^2z) subsetneq (x,y) subsetneq (x,y,z),$$ so $(x,y,z)$ has height at least $2$, hence the corresponding maximal ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal.



However, this method still doesn't allow me to decide whether $(x,y,z)$ has two or three generators in the localisation. Also, for $(a,b,c) neq (0,0,0),$ I'm not sure how to find the height of the ideal $(s-a,st-b,t^2-c).$



Of course, I'm not even sure if this method is the correct method (as the height only gives the lower bound for the number of generators). If anybody has better ideas or any hints, it'd be much appreciated!



EDIT: I realised I can actually show that all the prime ideals of $mathbbC[s,t]$ are generated by at most $2$ elements, so $mathfrakm$ is generated by at most two elements. So I guess this means we just need to decide whether $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or not?



EDIT2: Actually, a prime ideal in $R$ isn't necessarily prime in $mathbbC[s,t],$ so I guess the above doesn't quite work.



EDIT3: I feel like I have a possible solution. It'd be great if somebody could check them!



Possible solution: Let $d$ be the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ Then by Nakayama's Lemma, $d$ is also the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ So $d = dim_R/mathfrakmmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ Note that the image of $x-a,y-b,z-c$ in $R_mathfrakm$ generate $mathfrakn,$ so $(x-a)^2,(y-b^2),(z-c)^2,(x-a)(y-b),(y-b)(z-c),(z-c)(x-a)$ generate $mathfrakn^2.$ I'm going to try to show that $d=3.$ Suppose $u(x-a)+v(y-b)+w(z-c) in mathfrakn^2$ for $u,v,win R/mathfrakm cong mathbbC.$ The equation above is linear, so we cannot have the square generators (such as $(x-a)^2$). But every other generator contains $xy$, $yz$, or $zx,$ which isn't possible. So $u=v=w=0.$ So the three generators (modulo $mathfrakn^2$) are linearly independent, hence $d=3$. So no choice of $(a,b,c)$ works.







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  • @xarles this problem comes from an entrance exam for the master's program at the University of Tokyo. I've learnt basic alg geo and schemes at my uni, but I find it quite difficult to apply the techniques to algebraic settings..
    – dhk628
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  • @dhk628 My guess is that the answer should be when $a=b=0$. If $ane 0$, then $R_m$ is regular, since the point is not singular, hence $mR_m$ is generated by two elements. If $a=b=0$, then the points $(0,0,c)$ are all singular. But now you should show that the maximal ideal cannot be generated by two elements. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_local_ring
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    Aug 19 at 9:41










  • Maybe I've missed something, but $R$ is an affine domain and then $operatornamehtm=dim R=2$ for every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$. Since $operatornamehtmR_m=operatornamehtm=2$ we get that $mR_m$ can not be principal.
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Let $phi$ be a ring homomorphism $mathbbC[x,y,z] to mathbbC[s,t]$ such that $phi(x) = s, phi(y) = st,$ and $phi(z) = t^2.$ Let $R = operatornameImphi.$ Let $(a,b,c)inmathbbC^3$ and suppose $mathfrakm = (s-a,st-b,t^2-c)$ be a maximal ideal of $R.$ The question asks me to find all $(a,b,c) in mathbbC^3$ such that the ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is not generated by two elements.



These have been my ideas so far:



First of all, by the first isomorphism theorem, $$R cong mathbbC[x,y,z]/(y^2-x^2z).$$ The ideal $mathfrakm$ then corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z].$



Certainly, $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is generated by at most $3$ elements, as the images of the generators of $mathfrakm$ will generate $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ So we need to find $(a,b,c)$ such that $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or generated by three elements.



By Krull's height theorem, if $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) geq 2,$ then $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal, as the height of a proper ideal is bounded above by the number of generators of that ideal. Furthermore, $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) = mathrmht(mathfrakm)$ as the localisation gives us a bijection between prime ideals of $R$ contained in $mathfrakm$ and prime ideals of $R_mathfrakm.$



As commented above, $mathfrakm$ corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z],$ so we need to consider the prime ideals $mathfrakp subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ such that $(y^2-x^2z) subseteq mathfrakp subseteq (x-a,y-b,z-c).$



For example, if we consider $(a,b,c) = (0,0,0),$ we would have the following chain of ideals in $mathbbC[x,y,z]:$
$$(y^2-x^2z) subsetneq (x,y) subsetneq (x,y,z),$$ so $(x,y,z)$ has height at least $2$, hence the corresponding maximal ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal.



However, this method still doesn't allow me to decide whether $(x,y,z)$ has two or three generators in the localisation. Also, for $(a,b,c) neq (0,0,0),$ I'm not sure how to find the height of the ideal $(s-a,st-b,t^2-c).$



Of course, I'm not even sure if this method is the correct method (as the height only gives the lower bound for the number of generators). If anybody has better ideas or any hints, it'd be much appreciated!



EDIT: I realised I can actually show that all the prime ideals of $mathbbC[s,t]$ are generated by at most $2$ elements, so $mathfrakm$ is generated by at most two elements. So I guess this means we just need to decide whether $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or not?



EDIT2: Actually, a prime ideal in $R$ isn't necessarily prime in $mathbbC[s,t],$ so I guess the above doesn't quite work.



EDIT3: I feel like I have a possible solution. It'd be great if somebody could check them!



Possible solution: Let $d$ be the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ Then by Nakayama's Lemma, $d$ is also the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ So $d = dim_R/mathfrakmmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ Note that the image of $x-a,y-b,z-c$ in $R_mathfrakm$ generate $mathfrakn,$ so $(x-a)^2,(y-b^2),(z-c)^2,(x-a)(y-b),(y-b)(z-c),(z-c)(x-a)$ generate $mathfrakn^2.$ I'm going to try to show that $d=3.$ Suppose $u(x-a)+v(y-b)+w(z-c) in mathfrakn^2$ for $u,v,win R/mathfrakm cong mathbbC.$ The equation above is linear, so we cannot have the square generators (such as $(x-a)^2$). But every other generator contains $xy$, $yz$, or $zx,$ which isn't possible. So $u=v=w=0.$ So the three generators (modulo $mathfrakn^2$) are linearly independent, hence $d=3$. So no choice of $(a,b,c)$ works.







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  • @xarles this problem comes from an entrance exam for the master's program at the University of Tokyo. I've learnt basic alg geo and schemes at my uni, but I find it quite difficult to apply the techniques to algebraic settings..
    – dhk628
    Aug 19 at 8:50










  • @dhk628 My guess is that the answer should be when $a=b=0$. If $ane 0$, then $R_m$ is regular, since the point is not singular, hence $mR_m$ is generated by two elements. If $a=b=0$, then the points $(0,0,c)$ are all singular. But now you should show that the maximal ideal cannot be generated by two elements. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_local_ring
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    Aug 19 at 9:41










  • Maybe I've missed something, but $R$ is an affine domain and then $operatornamehtm=dim R=2$ for every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$. Since $operatornamehtmR_m=operatornamehtm=2$ we get that $mR_m$ can not be principal.
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Let $phi$ be a ring homomorphism $mathbbC[x,y,z] to mathbbC[s,t]$ such that $phi(x) = s, phi(y) = st,$ and $phi(z) = t^2.$ Let $R = operatornameImphi.$ Let $(a,b,c)inmathbbC^3$ and suppose $mathfrakm = (s-a,st-b,t^2-c)$ be a maximal ideal of $R.$ The question asks me to find all $(a,b,c) in mathbbC^3$ such that the ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is not generated by two elements.



These have been my ideas so far:



First of all, by the first isomorphism theorem, $$R cong mathbbC[x,y,z]/(y^2-x^2z).$$ The ideal $mathfrakm$ then corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z].$



Certainly, $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is generated by at most $3$ elements, as the images of the generators of $mathfrakm$ will generate $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ So we need to find $(a,b,c)$ such that $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or generated by three elements.



By Krull's height theorem, if $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) geq 2,$ then $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal, as the height of a proper ideal is bounded above by the number of generators of that ideal. Furthermore, $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) = mathrmht(mathfrakm)$ as the localisation gives us a bijection between prime ideals of $R$ contained in $mathfrakm$ and prime ideals of $R_mathfrakm.$



As commented above, $mathfrakm$ corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z],$ so we need to consider the prime ideals $mathfrakp subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ such that $(y^2-x^2z) subseteq mathfrakp subseteq (x-a,y-b,z-c).$



For example, if we consider $(a,b,c) = (0,0,0),$ we would have the following chain of ideals in $mathbbC[x,y,z]:$
$$(y^2-x^2z) subsetneq (x,y) subsetneq (x,y,z),$$ so $(x,y,z)$ has height at least $2$, hence the corresponding maximal ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal.



However, this method still doesn't allow me to decide whether $(x,y,z)$ has two or three generators in the localisation. Also, for $(a,b,c) neq (0,0,0),$ I'm not sure how to find the height of the ideal $(s-a,st-b,t^2-c).$



Of course, I'm not even sure if this method is the correct method (as the height only gives the lower bound for the number of generators). If anybody has better ideas or any hints, it'd be much appreciated!



EDIT: I realised I can actually show that all the prime ideals of $mathbbC[s,t]$ are generated by at most $2$ elements, so $mathfrakm$ is generated by at most two elements. So I guess this means we just need to decide whether $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or not?



EDIT2: Actually, a prime ideal in $R$ isn't necessarily prime in $mathbbC[s,t],$ so I guess the above doesn't quite work.



EDIT3: I feel like I have a possible solution. It'd be great if somebody could check them!



Possible solution: Let $d$ be the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ Then by Nakayama's Lemma, $d$ is also the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ So $d = dim_R/mathfrakmmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ Note that the image of $x-a,y-b,z-c$ in $R_mathfrakm$ generate $mathfrakn,$ so $(x-a)^2,(y-b^2),(z-c)^2,(x-a)(y-b),(y-b)(z-c),(z-c)(x-a)$ generate $mathfrakn^2.$ I'm going to try to show that $d=3.$ Suppose $u(x-a)+v(y-b)+w(z-c) in mathfrakn^2$ for $u,v,win R/mathfrakm cong mathbbC.$ The equation above is linear, so we cannot have the square generators (such as $(x-a)^2$). But every other generator contains $xy$, $yz$, or $zx,$ which isn't possible. So $u=v=w=0.$ So the three generators (modulo $mathfrakn^2$) are linearly independent, hence $d=3$. So no choice of $(a,b,c)$ works.







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Let $phi$ be a ring homomorphism $mathbbC[x,y,z] to mathbbC[s,t]$ such that $phi(x) = s, phi(y) = st,$ and $phi(z) = t^2.$ Let $R = operatornameImphi.$ Let $(a,b,c)inmathbbC^3$ and suppose $mathfrakm = (s-a,st-b,t^2-c)$ be a maximal ideal of $R.$ The question asks me to find all $(a,b,c) in mathbbC^3$ such that the ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is not generated by two elements.



These have been my ideas so far:



First of all, by the first isomorphism theorem, $$R cong mathbbC[x,y,z]/(y^2-x^2z).$$ The ideal $mathfrakm$ then corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z].$



Certainly, $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is generated by at most $3$ elements, as the images of the generators of $mathfrakm$ will generate $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ So we need to find $(a,b,c)$ such that $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or generated by three elements.



By Krull's height theorem, if $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) geq 2,$ then $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal, as the height of a proper ideal is bounded above by the number of generators of that ideal. Furthermore, $mathrmht(mathfrakmR_mathfrakm) = mathrmht(mathfrakm)$ as the localisation gives us a bijection between prime ideals of $R$ contained in $mathfrakm$ and prime ideals of $R_mathfrakm.$



As commented above, $mathfrakm$ corresponds to the ideal $(x-a,y-b,z-c)$ in $mathbbC[x,y,z],$ so we need to consider the prime ideals $mathfrakp subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ such that $(y^2-x^2z) subseteq mathfrakp subseteq (x-a,y-b,z-c).$



For example, if we consider $(a,b,c) = (0,0,0),$ we would have the following chain of ideals in $mathbbC[x,y,z]:$
$$(y^2-x^2z) subsetneq (x,y) subsetneq (x,y,z),$$ so $(x,y,z)$ has height at least $2$, hence the corresponding maximal ideal $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ cannot be principal.



However, this method still doesn't allow me to decide whether $(x,y,z)$ has two or three generators in the localisation. Also, for $(a,b,c) neq (0,0,0),$ I'm not sure how to find the height of the ideal $(s-a,st-b,t^2-c).$



Of course, I'm not even sure if this method is the correct method (as the height only gives the lower bound for the number of generators). If anybody has better ideas or any hints, it'd be much appreciated!



EDIT: I realised I can actually show that all the prime ideals of $mathbbC[s,t]$ are generated by at most $2$ elements, so $mathfrakm$ is generated by at most two elements. So I guess this means we just need to decide whether $mathfrakmR_mathfrakm$ is principal or not?



EDIT2: Actually, a prime ideal in $R$ isn't necessarily prime in $mathbbC[s,t],$ so I guess the above doesn't quite work.



EDIT3: I feel like I have a possible solution. It'd be great if somebody could check them!



Possible solution: Let $d$ be the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm.$ Then by Nakayama's Lemma, $d$ is also the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ So $d = dim_R/mathfrakmmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2.$ Note that the image of $x-a,y-b,z-c$ in $R_mathfrakm$ generate $mathfrakn,$ so $(x-a)^2,(y-b^2),(z-c)^2,(x-a)(y-b),(y-b)(z-c),(z-c)(x-a)$ generate $mathfrakn^2.$ I'm going to try to show that $d=3.$ Suppose $u(x-a)+v(y-b)+w(z-c) in mathfrakn^2$ for $u,v,win R/mathfrakm cong mathbbC.$ The equation above is linear, so we cannot have the square generators (such as $(x-a)^2$). But every other generator contains $xy$, $yz$, or $zx,$ which isn't possible. So $u=v=w=0.$ So the three generators (modulo $mathfrakn^2$) are linearly independent, hence $d=3$. So no choice of $(a,b,c)$ works.









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  • @xarles this problem comes from an entrance exam for the master's program at the University of Tokyo. I've learnt basic alg geo and schemes at my uni, but I find it quite difficult to apply the techniques to algebraic settings..
    – dhk628
    Aug 19 at 8:50










  • @dhk628 My guess is that the answer should be when $a=b=0$. If $ane 0$, then $R_m$ is regular, since the point is not singular, hence $mR_m$ is generated by two elements. If $a=b=0$, then the points $(0,0,c)$ are all singular. But now you should show that the maximal ideal cannot be generated by two elements. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_local_ring
    – xarles
    Aug 19 at 9:41










  • Maybe I've missed something, but $R$ is an affine domain and then $operatornamehtm=dim R=2$ for every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$. Since $operatornamehtmR_m=operatornamehtm=2$ we get that $mR_m$ can not be principal.
    – user26857
    Aug 19 at 17:57

















  • @xarles this problem comes from an entrance exam for the master's program at the University of Tokyo. I've learnt basic alg geo and schemes at my uni, but I find it quite difficult to apply the techniques to algebraic settings..
    – dhk628
    Aug 19 at 8:50










  • @dhk628 My guess is that the answer should be when $a=b=0$. If $ane 0$, then $R_m$ is regular, since the point is not singular, hence $mR_m$ is generated by two elements. If $a=b=0$, then the points $(0,0,c)$ are all singular. But now you should show that the maximal ideal cannot be generated by two elements. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_local_ring
    – xarles
    Aug 19 at 9:41










  • Maybe I've missed something, but $R$ is an affine domain and then $operatornamehtm=dim R=2$ for every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$. Since $operatornamehtmR_m=operatornamehtm=2$ we get that $mR_m$ can not be principal.
    – user26857
    Aug 19 at 17:57
















@xarles this problem comes from an entrance exam for the master's program at the University of Tokyo. I've learnt basic alg geo and schemes at my uni, but I find it quite difficult to apply the techniques to algebraic settings..
– dhk628
Aug 19 at 8:50




@xarles this problem comes from an entrance exam for the master's program at the University of Tokyo. I've learnt basic alg geo and schemes at my uni, but I find it quite difficult to apply the techniques to algebraic settings..
– dhk628
Aug 19 at 8:50












@dhk628 My guess is that the answer should be when $a=b=0$. If $ane 0$, then $R_m$ is regular, since the point is not singular, hence $mR_m$ is generated by two elements. If $a=b=0$, then the points $(0,0,c)$ are all singular. But now you should show that the maximal ideal cannot be generated by two elements. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_local_ring
– xarles
Aug 19 at 9:41




@dhk628 My guess is that the answer should be when $a=b=0$. If $ane 0$, then $R_m$ is regular, since the point is not singular, hence $mR_m$ is generated by two elements. If $a=b=0$, then the points $(0,0,c)$ are all singular. But now you should show that the maximal ideal cannot be generated by two elements. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_local_ring
– xarles
Aug 19 at 9:41












Maybe I've missed something, but $R$ is an affine domain and then $operatornamehtm=dim R=2$ for every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$. Since $operatornamehtmR_m=operatornamehtm=2$ we get that $mR_m$ can not be principal.
– user26857
Aug 19 at 17:57





Maybe I've missed something, but $R$ is an affine domain and then $operatornamehtm=dim R=2$ for every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$. Since $operatornamehtmR_m=operatornamehtm=2$ we get that $mR_m$ can not be principal.
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First of all, let's review what it is the relation of the number of generators of $mR_m$ and the non-singularity.



Denote $mathfraka=(x-a,y-b,z-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ the maximal ideal in the polynomial ring corresponding to the point $P=(a,b,c)in mathbbC^3$. Then the map
$$psi:mathfraka/mathfraka^2to mathbbC^3$$
given by $$psi(g)=(fracpartial gpartial x(P),fracpartial gpartial y(P),fracpartial gpartial z(P))$$
is an isomorphism of $mathbbC$-vector spaces. This can be shown for example by an explicit computation in the case $a=b=c=0$, and one can reduce to this case.



Now, for a given ideal say $I=(f)$, for $fin mathbbC[x,y,z]$, the subspace generated by the image $psi(f)$ is isomorhic to $(I+mathfraka^2)/mathfraka^2$. Now, if you denote $$mathfrakm=(overlinex-a,overliney-b,overlinez-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]/I$$, then one has that $$mathfraka/(I+mathfraka^2)cong mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$$, the map induced by the quotient map. Hence you get that
$$operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=3-operatornamerank_mathbbC(langle psi(f) rangle_mathbbC).$$
Hence $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=2$ unless $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$, in which case it is three.



Now, $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$ if and only if $a=b=0$ and $c$ undetermined. To finish one only needs to recall that $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)$ is equal to the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$.



Hence the answer of your question is $a=b=0$.



Observe that what I did can be done for any number of variables, and even when the ideal $I$ is not generated by one polynomial, in this case considering the rank of the jacobian matrix. So the number of generators of a maximal ideal $mathfrakm$ is equal to the dimension of the ring if and only if the corresponding point $P$ is non singular.






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    Let me clarify some things. For every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$ we have $operatornamehtmR_m=2$ and this entails $mu(mR_m)ge2$. (Here $mu(cdot)$ stands for the minimal number of generators.) What you actually proved is the following: $mu(mR_m)=2$ iff $R_m$ is regular iff $ane 0$. So, for $a=0$ (and hence, $b=0$) the maximal ideal is $3$-generated.
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  • @xarles isn't the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$ not necessarily the same as that of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm?$ Or is it true that $dim mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2 = dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2?$
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  • It's true that $dimmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2=dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$.
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First of all, let's review what it is the relation of the number of generators of $mR_m$ and the non-singularity.



Denote $mathfraka=(x-a,y-b,z-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ the maximal ideal in the polynomial ring corresponding to the point $P=(a,b,c)in mathbbC^3$. Then the map
$$psi:mathfraka/mathfraka^2to mathbbC^3$$
given by $$psi(g)=(fracpartial gpartial x(P),fracpartial gpartial y(P),fracpartial gpartial z(P))$$
is an isomorphism of $mathbbC$-vector spaces. This can be shown for example by an explicit computation in the case $a=b=c=0$, and one can reduce to this case.



Now, for a given ideal say $I=(f)$, for $fin mathbbC[x,y,z]$, the subspace generated by the image $psi(f)$ is isomorhic to $(I+mathfraka^2)/mathfraka^2$. Now, if you denote $$mathfrakm=(overlinex-a,overliney-b,overlinez-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]/I$$, then one has that $$mathfraka/(I+mathfraka^2)cong mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$$, the map induced by the quotient map. Hence you get that
$$operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=3-operatornamerank_mathbbC(langle psi(f) rangle_mathbbC).$$
Hence $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=2$ unless $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$, in which case it is three.



Now, $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$ if and only if $a=b=0$ and $c$ undetermined. To finish one only needs to recall that $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)$ is equal to the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$.



Hence the answer of your question is $a=b=0$.



Observe that what I did can be done for any number of variables, and even when the ideal $I$ is not generated by one polynomial, in this case considering the rank of the jacobian matrix. So the number of generators of a maximal ideal $mathfrakm$ is equal to the dimension of the ring if and only if the corresponding point $P$ is non singular.






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    Let me clarify some things. For every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$ we have $operatornamehtmR_m=2$ and this entails $mu(mR_m)ge2$. (Here $mu(cdot)$ stands for the minimal number of generators.) What you actually proved is the following: $mu(mR_m)=2$ iff $R_m$ is regular iff $ane 0$. So, for $a=0$ (and hence, $b=0$) the maximal ideal is $3$-generated.
    – user26857
    Aug 19 at 20:57











  • @xarles isn't the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$ not necessarily the same as that of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm?$ Or is it true that $dim mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2 = dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2?$
    – dhk628
    Aug 20 at 2:13










  • It's true that $dimmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2=dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$.
    – user26857
    Aug 20 at 9:03















up vote
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down vote



accepted










First of all, let's review what it is the relation of the number of generators of $mR_m$ and the non-singularity.



Denote $mathfraka=(x-a,y-b,z-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ the maximal ideal in the polynomial ring corresponding to the point $P=(a,b,c)in mathbbC^3$. Then the map
$$psi:mathfraka/mathfraka^2to mathbbC^3$$
given by $$psi(g)=(fracpartial gpartial x(P),fracpartial gpartial y(P),fracpartial gpartial z(P))$$
is an isomorphism of $mathbbC$-vector spaces. This can be shown for example by an explicit computation in the case $a=b=c=0$, and one can reduce to this case.



Now, for a given ideal say $I=(f)$, for $fin mathbbC[x,y,z]$, the subspace generated by the image $psi(f)$ is isomorhic to $(I+mathfraka^2)/mathfraka^2$. Now, if you denote $$mathfrakm=(overlinex-a,overliney-b,overlinez-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]/I$$, then one has that $$mathfraka/(I+mathfraka^2)cong mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$$, the map induced by the quotient map. Hence you get that
$$operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=3-operatornamerank_mathbbC(langle psi(f) rangle_mathbbC).$$
Hence $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=2$ unless $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$, in which case it is three.



Now, $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$ if and only if $a=b=0$ and $c$ undetermined. To finish one only needs to recall that $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)$ is equal to the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$.



Hence the answer of your question is $a=b=0$.



Observe that what I did can be done for any number of variables, and even when the ideal $I$ is not generated by one polynomial, in this case considering the rank of the jacobian matrix. So the number of generators of a maximal ideal $mathfrakm$ is equal to the dimension of the ring if and only if the corresponding point $P$ is non singular.






share|cite|improve this answer
















  • 1




    Let me clarify some things. For every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$ we have $operatornamehtmR_m=2$ and this entails $mu(mR_m)ge2$. (Here $mu(cdot)$ stands for the minimal number of generators.) What you actually proved is the following: $mu(mR_m)=2$ iff $R_m$ is regular iff $ane 0$. So, for $a=0$ (and hence, $b=0$) the maximal ideal is $3$-generated.
    – user26857
    Aug 19 at 20:57











  • @xarles isn't the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$ not necessarily the same as that of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm?$ Or is it true that $dim mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2 = dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2?$
    – dhk628
    Aug 20 at 2:13










  • It's true that $dimmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2=dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$.
    – user26857
    Aug 20 at 9:03













up vote
1
down vote



accepted







up vote
1
down vote



accepted






First of all, let's review what it is the relation of the number of generators of $mR_m$ and the non-singularity.



Denote $mathfraka=(x-a,y-b,z-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ the maximal ideal in the polynomial ring corresponding to the point $P=(a,b,c)in mathbbC^3$. Then the map
$$psi:mathfraka/mathfraka^2to mathbbC^3$$
given by $$psi(g)=(fracpartial gpartial x(P),fracpartial gpartial y(P),fracpartial gpartial z(P))$$
is an isomorphism of $mathbbC$-vector spaces. This can be shown for example by an explicit computation in the case $a=b=c=0$, and one can reduce to this case.



Now, for a given ideal say $I=(f)$, for $fin mathbbC[x,y,z]$, the subspace generated by the image $psi(f)$ is isomorhic to $(I+mathfraka^2)/mathfraka^2$. Now, if you denote $$mathfrakm=(overlinex-a,overliney-b,overlinez-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]/I$$, then one has that $$mathfraka/(I+mathfraka^2)cong mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$$, the map induced by the quotient map. Hence you get that
$$operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=3-operatornamerank_mathbbC(langle psi(f) rangle_mathbbC).$$
Hence $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=2$ unless $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$, in which case it is three.



Now, $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$ if and only if $a=b=0$ and $c$ undetermined. To finish one only needs to recall that $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)$ is equal to the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$.



Hence the answer of your question is $a=b=0$.



Observe that what I did can be done for any number of variables, and even when the ideal $I$ is not generated by one polynomial, in this case considering the rank of the jacobian matrix. So the number of generators of a maximal ideal $mathfrakm$ is equal to the dimension of the ring if and only if the corresponding point $P$ is non singular.






share|cite|improve this answer












First of all, let's review what it is the relation of the number of generators of $mR_m$ and the non-singularity.



Denote $mathfraka=(x-a,y-b,z-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]$ the maximal ideal in the polynomial ring corresponding to the point $P=(a,b,c)in mathbbC^3$. Then the map
$$psi:mathfraka/mathfraka^2to mathbbC^3$$
given by $$psi(g)=(fracpartial gpartial x(P),fracpartial gpartial y(P),fracpartial gpartial z(P))$$
is an isomorphism of $mathbbC$-vector spaces. This can be shown for example by an explicit computation in the case $a=b=c=0$, and one can reduce to this case.



Now, for a given ideal say $I=(f)$, for $fin mathbbC[x,y,z]$, the subspace generated by the image $psi(f)$ is isomorhic to $(I+mathfraka^2)/mathfraka^2$. Now, if you denote $$mathfrakm=(overlinex-a,overliney-b,overlinez-c)subset mathbbC[x,y,z]/I$$, then one has that $$mathfraka/(I+mathfraka^2)cong mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$$, the map induced by the quotient map. Hence you get that
$$operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=3-operatornamerank_mathbbC(langle psi(f) rangle_mathbbC).$$
Hence $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)=2$ unless $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$, in which case it is three.



Now, $psi(f)=(0,0,0)$ if and only if $a=b=0$ and $c$ undetermined. To finish one only needs to recall that $operatornamerank_mathbbC(mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2)$ is equal to the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$.



Hence the answer of your question is $a=b=0$.



Observe that what I did can be done for any number of variables, and even when the ideal $I$ is not generated by one polynomial, in this case considering the rank of the jacobian matrix. So the number of generators of a maximal ideal $mathfrakm$ is equal to the dimension of the ring if and only if the corresponding point $P$ is non singular.







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    Let me clarify some things. For every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$ we have $operatornamehtmR_m=2$ and this entails $mu(mR_m)ge2$. (Here $mu(cdot)$ stands for the minimal number of generators.) What you actually proved is the following: $mu(mR_m)=2$ iff $R_m$ is regular iff $ane 0$. So, for $a=0$ (and hence, $b=0$) the maximal ideal is $3$-generated.
    – user26857
    Aug 19 at 20:57











  • @xarles isn't the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$ not necessarily the same as that of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm?$ Or is it true that $dim mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2 = dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2?$
    – dhk628
    Aug 20 at 2:13










  • It's true that $dimmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2=dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$.
    – user26857
    Aug 20 at 9:03













  • 1




    Let me clarify some things. For every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$ we have $operatornamehtmR_m=2$ and this entails $mu(mR_m)ge2$. (Here $mu(cdot)$ stands for the minimal number of generators.) What you actually proved is the following: $mu(mR_m)=2$ iff $R_m$ is regular iff $ane 0$. So, for $a=0$ (and hence, $b=0$) the maximal ideal is $3$-generated.
    – user26857
    Aug 19 at 20:57











  • @xarles isn't the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$ not necessarily the same as that of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm?$ Or is it true that $dim mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2 = dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2?$
    – dhk628
    Aug 20 at 2:13










  • It's true that $dimmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2=dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$.
    – user26857
    Aug 20 at 9:03








1




1




Let me clarify some things. For every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$ we have $operatornamehtmR_m=2$ and this entails $mu(mR_m)ge2$. (Here $mu(cdot)$ stands for the minimal number of generators.) What you actually proved is the following: $mu(mR_m)=2$ iff $R_m$ is regular iff $ane 0$. So, for $a=0$ (and hence, $b=0$) the maximal ideal is $3$-generated.
– user26857
Aug 19 at 20:57





Let me clarify some things. For every maximal ideal $m$ of $R$ we have $operatornamehtmR_m=2$ and this entails $mu(mR_m)ge2$. (Here $mu(cdot)$ stands for the minimal number of generators.) What you actually proved is the following: $mu(mR_m)=2$ iff $R_m$ is regular iff $ane 0$. So, for $a=0$ (and hence, $b=0$) the maximal ideal is $3$-generated.
– user26857
Aug 19 at 20:57













@xarles isn't the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$ not necessarily the same as that of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm?$ Or is it true that $dim mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2 = dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2?$
– dhk628
Aug 20 at 2:13




@xarles isn't the minimal number of generators of $mathfrakm$ not necessarily the same as that of $mathfrakn = mathfrakmR_mathfrakm?$ Or is it true that $dim mathfrakn/mathfrakn^2 = dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2?$
– dhk628
Aug 20 at 2:13












It's true that $dimmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2=dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$.
– user26857
Aug 20 at 9:03





It's true that $dimmathfrakn/mathfrakn^2=dim mathfrakm/mathfrakm^2$.
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Aug 20 at 9:03













 

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