About the additive property of little-o(h)
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So I encountered this definition in Salas Hille Etgen's One and Several Variables Calculus:
(This definition is for single variable case)
Definition: Let $g:Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function defined at least in some neighbourhood of $0$. We say that $g(h)$ is $o(h)$ and write $g(h)=o(h)$ to indicate that $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$.
So, after this definition, our class soon introduced a theorem:
Theorem:
The following are equivalent:
$1. f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h=o(h)$
$2. f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)h+o(h)$
And my professor gave us such proof:
$f(x+h)-f(x)=[f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h]+f'(x)h=o(h)+f'(x)h$
So I began to doubt: What makes it legal to operate $o(h)$ as a normal function? Although it seems so natural, we still added something wasn't in the original definition. It is not an equation, it is a sentence, isn't it?
Since the original definition write $g(h)=o(h)$ for merely implying $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$, is it okay to treat $o(h)$ like another number or function(e.g. replace $g(h)$ with $o(h)$ in the proof)?
Just like the definition of the notation of limit, it doesn't imply that it is a number. It is a sentence(description) replaced by abbreviations through the definition.
Hence, my question are summed up in 2:
- Is it legal to operate $o(h)$ in such manner?
- If not, is there another way to go through this proof?
Thanks in advance.
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So I encountered this definition in Salas Hille Etgen's One and Several Variables Calculus:
(This definition is for single variable case)
Definition: Let $g:Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function defined at least in some neighbourhood of $0$. We say that $g(h)$ is $o(h)$ and write $g(h)=o(h)$ to indicate that $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$.
So, after this definition, our class soon introduced a theorem:
Theorem:
The following are equivalent:
$1. f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h=o(h)$
$2. f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)h+o(h)$
And my professor gave us such proof:
$f(x+h)-f(x)=[f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h]+f'(x)h=o(h)+f'(x)h$
So I began to doubt: What makes it legal to operate $o(h)$ as a normal function? Although it seems so natural, we still added something wasn't in the original definition. It is not an equation, it is a sentence, isn't it?
Since the original definition write $g(h)=o(h)$ for merely implying $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$, is it okay to treat $o(h)$ like another number or function(e.g. replace $g(h)$ with $o(h)$ in the proof)?
Just like the definition of the notation of limit, it doesn't imply that it is a number. It is a sentence(description) replaced by abbreviations through the definition.
Hence, my question are summed up in 2:
- Is it legal to operate $o(h)$ in such manner?
- If not, is there another way to go through this proof?
Thanks in advance.
calculus limits
The definition makes no sense to me. What is $h$?
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:26
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in2.
, did you mean to writef'(x)
orf'(x)h
?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:27
OK, for anyone wondering, the proper definition goes like this. Let $gcolon mathbb Rto mathbb R$ be a function defined in an open-interval around $0$, we say that "$g$ is $o(mathrmid)$" and write $g=o(mathrmid)$ if, and only if, $lim limits_xto 0left(dfracg(x)mathrmid(x)right)=0$, where $mathrmid$ denotes the identity function.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:33
@GitGud don't think I understand the distinction, and I'd like to see an actual piece of mathematics written with $o(operatornameid)$. I think its too clunky a notation. Perhaps you'd be happy with $g(x)=o(x)$ as $xto 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:36
@CalvinKhor You won't find mathematics written like this because people who care more about the notation than analysts, aren't analysts, I think you do understand the distinction, perhaps you meant to say that you don't see how it is useful? It's useful for me for the simple fact that I couldn't understand the definition in the question and also for the fact that the definition I wrote, however unintelligible it might seem to many, is actually correct. This is important because when something is incorrect, you're left with guessing. If something is correct, you have hope of understanding it.
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So I encountered this definition in Salas Hille Etgen's One and Several Variables Calculus:
(This definition is for single variable case)
Definition: Let $g:Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function defined at least in some neighbourhood of $0$. We say that $g(h)$ is $o(h)$ and write $g(h)=o(h)$ to indicate that $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$.
So, after this definition, our class soon introduced a theorem:
Theorem:
The following are equivalent:
$1. f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h=o(h)$
$2. f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)h+o(h)$
And my professor gave us such proof:
$f(x+h)-f(x)=[f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h]+f'(x)h=o(h)+f'(x)h$
So I began to doubt: What makes it legal to operate $o(h)$ as a normal function? Although it seems so natural, we still added something wasn't in the original definition. It is not an equation, it is a sentence, isn't it?
Since the original definition write $g(h)=o(h)$ for merely implying $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$, is it okay to treat $o(h)$ like another number or function(e.g. replace $g(h)$ with $o(h)$ in the proof)?
Just like the definition of the notation of limit, it doesn't imply that it is a number. It is a sentence(description) replaced by abbreviations through the definition.
Hence, my question are summed up in 2:
- Is it legal to operate $o(h)$ in such manner?
- If not, is there another way to go through this proof?
Thanks in advance.
calculus limits
So I encountered this definition in Salas Hille Etgen's One and Several Variables Calculus:
(This definition is for single variable case)
Definition: Let $g:Bbb R to Bbb R$ be a function defined at least in some neighbourhood of $0$. We say that $g(h)$ is $o(h)$ and write $g(h)=o(h)$ to indicate that $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$.
So, after this definition, our class soon introduced a theorem:
Theorem:
The following are equivalent:
$1. f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h=o(h)$
$2. f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)h+o(h)$
And my professor gave us such proof:
$f(x+h)-f(x)=[f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)h]+f'(x)h=o(h)+f'(x)h$
So I began to doubt: What makes it legal to operate $o(h)$ as a normal function? Although it seems so natural, we still added something wasn't in the original definition. It is not an equation, it is a sentence, isn't it?
Since the original definition write $g(h)=o(h)$ for merely implying $lim_hto 0fracg(h)h=0$, is it okay to treat $o(h)$ like another number or function(e.g. replace $g(h)$ with $o(h)$ in the proof)?
Just like the definition of the notation of limit, it doesn't imply that it is a number. It is a sentence(description) replaced by abbreviations through the definition.
Hence, my question are summed up in 2:
- Is it legal to operate $o(h)$ in such manner?
- If not, is there another way to go through this proof?
Thanks in advance.
calculus limits
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The definition makes no sense to me. What is $h$?
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:26
1
in2.
, did you mean to writef'(x)
orf'(x)h
?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:27
OK, for anyone wondering, the proper definition goes like this. Let $gcolon mathbb Rto mathbb R$ be a function defined in an open-interval around $0$, we say that "$g$ is $o(mathrmid)$" and write $g=o(mathrmid)$ if, and only if, $lim limits_xto 0left(dfracg(x)mathrmid(x)right)=0$, where $mathrmid$ denotes the identity function.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:33
@GitGud don't think I understand the distinction, and I'd like to see an actual piece of mathematics written with $o(operatornameid)$. I think its too clunky a notation. Perhaps you'd be happy with $g(x)=o(x)$ as $xto 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:36
@CalvinKhor You won't find mathematics written like this because people who care more about the notation than analysts, aren't analysts, I think you do understand the distinction, perhaps you meant to say that you don't see how it is useful? It's useful for me for the simple fact that I couldn't understand the definition in the question and also for the fact that the definition I wrote, however unintelligible it might seem to many, is actually correct. This is important because when something is incorrect, you're left with guessing. If something is correct, you have hope of understanding it.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:29
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The definition makes no sense to me. What is $h$?
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:26
1
in2.
, did you mean to writef'(x)
orf'(x)h
?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:27
OK, for anyone wondering, the proper definition goes like this. Let $gcolon mathbb Rto mathbb R$ be a function defined in an open-interval around $0$, we say that "$g$ is $o(mathrmid)$" and write $g=o(mathrmid)$ if, and only if, $lim limits_xto 0left(dfracg(x)mathrmid(x)right)=0$, where $mathrmid$ denotes the identity function.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:33
@GitGud don't think I understand the distinction, and I'd like to see an actual piece of mathematics written with $o(operatornameid)$. I think its too clunky a notation. Perhaps you'd be happy with $g(x)=o(x)$ as $xto 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:36
@CalvinKhor You won't find mathematics written like this because people who care more about the notation than analysts, aren't analysts, I think you do understand the distinction, perhaps you meant to say that you don't see how it is useful? It's useful for me for the simple fact that I couldn't understand the definition in the question and also for the fact that the definition I wrote, however unintelligible it might seem to many, is actually correct. This is important because when something is incorrect, you're left with guessing. If something is correct, you have hope of understanding it.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:29
The definition makes no sense to me. What is $h$?
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:26
The definition makes no sense to me. What is $h$?
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:26
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in
2.
, did you mean to write f'(x)
or f'(x)h
?â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:27
in
2.
, did you mean to write f'(x)
or f'(x)h
?â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:27
OK, for anyone wondering, the proper definition goes like this. Let $gcolon mathbb Rto mathbb R$ be a function defined in an open-interval around $0$, we say that "$g$ is $o(mathrmid)$" and write $g=o(mathrmid)$ if, and only if, $lim limits_xto 0left(dfracg(x)mathrmid(x)right)=0$, where $mathrmid$ denotes the identity function.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:33
OK, for anyone wondering, the proper definition goes like this. Let $gcolon mathbb Rto mathbb R$ be a function defined in an open-interval around $0$, we say that "$g$ is $o(mathrmid)$" and write $g=o(mathrmid)$ if, and only if, $lim limits_xto 0left(dfracg(x)mathrmid(x)right)=0$, where $mathrmid$ denotes the identity function.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:33
@GitGud don't think I understand the distinction, and I'd like to see an actual piece of mathematics written with $o(operatornameid)$. I think its too clunky a notation. Perhaps you'd be happy with $g(x)=o(x)$ as $xto 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:36
@GitGud don't think I understand the distinction, and I'd like to see an actual piece of mathematics written with $o(operatornameid)$. I think its too clunky a notation. Perhaps you'd be happy with $g(x)=o(x)$ as $xto 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:36
@CalvinKhor You won't find mathematics written like this because people who care more about the notation than analysts, aren't analysts, I think you do understand the distinction, perhaps you meant to say that you don't see how it is useful? It's useful for me for the simple fact that I couldn't understand the definition in the question and also for the fact that the definition I wrote, however unintelligible it might seem to many, is actually correct. This is important because when something is incorrect, you're left with guessing. If something is correct, you have hope of understanding it.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:29
@CalvinKhor You won't find mathematics written like this because people who care more about the notation than analysts, aren't analysts, I think you do understand the distinction, perhaps you meant to say that you don't see how it is useful? It's useful for me for the simple fact that I couldn't understand the definition in the question and also for the fact that the definition I wrote, however unintelligible it might seem to many, is actually correct. This is important because when something is incorrect, you're left with guessing. If something is correct, you have hope of understanding it.
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Aug 19 at 12:29
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I know that writing $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$ is a thing, but I think it is one of the most misleading notations ever $-$ when used without further explanation. So I will try to give the explanations: define $mathrm o(h)$ as a set of functions:
$$mathrm o(h):=leftf:Bbb RtoBbb R mid lim_hto 0 fracf(h)h = 0right,$$
and then $gin mathrm o(h)$ is what formerly was denoted by $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$. Now we add a notational convention: any expression that contains $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a function is to be interpreted as "there is a function $ginmathrm o(h)$ replacing this occurence of $mathrm o(h)$". So e.g. $f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x) = mathrm o(h)$ means
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h):f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)=g_x(h).$$
Note that this might be a different $g_x$ for every $x$ (the derivative is defined point-wise). Now it might be clear why we can handle this "function" $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a real function. The right side above is obviously equivalent to
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h): f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+g_x(h).$$
And by our notational convention, we can write this as $f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+mathrm o(h)$.
Actually $exists$ can be replaced by $exists !$, right?
â user529760
Aug 19 at 10:12
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@user529760 Yes, or we can write $forall x: f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)inmathrm o(h)$. But then bringing $f'(x)$ to the other side again needs some explanations.
â M. Winter
Aug 19 at 10:13
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Point 10 here.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:33
I can handle some abuse of notation, but $g(h)=o(h)$ really is disgusting. It pleases the eye to see $gin o(h)$ even if I don't entirely agree with this notation. Upvoted.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:38
I also write $fin o(h)$ rather than use equality. I haven't checked it, but perhaps in terms of equivalence classes $f$ can be identified with $o(h)$, justifying the equals notation.
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Aug 20 at 8:19
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I believe this is your definition (assuming, some definition of $o(cdot)$)
$$ a = b + o(c) text iff there exists d text such that d=o(c), text and a-b=d$$
So the proof- let $x$ be fixed. Then note that we can always define $R(h)$ to force the following two equalities at the same time,
$$f(x+h) - f(x) - f'(x) h = R(h) iff f(x+h) - f(x) = f'(x) h+ R(h)$$
Then statement 1.
makes the claim that in the LHS equation, $R(h) = o(h)$. The statement 2.
(assuming you meant f'(x)h
and not f'(x)
) asserts again that $R(h) = o(h)$ but starting from the RHS. That these are equivalent is the above $iff$ arrow.
Yup, $f'(x)$ was a typo, I meant $f'(x)h$, thank you :).
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I know that writing $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$ is a thing, but I think it is one of the most misleading notations ever $-$ when used without further explanation. So I will try to give the explanations: define $mathrm o(h)$ as a set of functions:
$$mathrm o(h):=leftf:Bbb RtoBbb R mid lim_hto 0 fracf(h)h = 0right,$$
and then $gin mathrm o(h)$ is what formerly was denoted by $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$. Now we add a notational convention: any expression that contains $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a function is to be interpreted as "there is a function $ginmathrm o(h)$ replacing this occurence of $mathrm o(h)$". So e.g. $f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x) = mathrm o(h)$ means
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h):f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)=g_x(h).$$
Note that this might be a different $g_x$ for every $x$ (the derivative is defined point-wise). Now it might be clear why we can handle this "function" $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a real function. The right side above is obviously equivalent to
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h): f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+g_x(h).$$
And by our notational convention, we can write this as $f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+mathrm o(h)$.
Actually $exists$ can be replaced by $exists !$, right?
â user529760
Aug 19 at 10:12
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@user529760 Yes, or we can write $forall x: f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)inmathrm o(h)$. But then bringing $f'(x)$ to the other side again needs some explanations.
â M. Winter
Aug 19 at 10:13
1
Point 10 here.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:33
I can handle some abuse of notation, but $g(h)=o(h)$ really is disgusting. It pleases the eye to see $gin o(h)$ even if I don't entirely agree with this notation. Upvoted.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:38
I also write $fin o(h)$ rather than use equality. I haven't checked it, but perhaps in terms of equivalence classes $f$ can be identified with $o(h)$, justifying the equals notation.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 20 at 8:19
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I know that writing $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$ is a thing, but I think it is one of the most misleading notations ever $-$ when used without further explanation. So I will try to give the explanations: define $mathrm o(h)$ as a set of functions:
$$mathrm o(h):=leftf:Bbb RtoBbb R mid lim_hto 0 fracf(h)h = 0right,$$
and then $gin mathrm o(h)$ is what formerly was denoted by $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$. Now we add a notational convention: any expression that contains $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a function is to be interpreted as "there is a function $ginmathrm o(h)$ replacing this occurence of $mathrm o(h)$". So e.g. $f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x) = mathrm o(h)$ means
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h):f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)=g_x(h).$$
Note that this might be a different $g_x$ for every $x$ (the derivative is defined point-wise). Now it might be clear why we can handle this "function" $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a real function. The right side above is obviously equivalent to
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h): f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+g_x(h).$$
And by our notational convention, we can write this as $f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+mathrm o(h)$.
Actually $exists$ can be replaced by $exists !$, right?
â user529760
Aug 19 at 10:12
1
@user529760 Yes, or we can write $forall x: f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)inmathrm o(h)$. But then bringing $f'(x)$ to the other side again needs some explanations.
â M. Winter
Aug 19 at 10:13
1
Point 10 here.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:33
I can handle some abuse of notation, but $g(h)=o(h)$ really is disgusting. It pleases the eye to see $gin o(h)$ even if I don't entirely agree with this notation. Upvoted.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:38
I also write $fin o(h)$ rather than use equality. I haven't checked it, but perhaps in terms of equivalence classes $f$ can be identified with $o(h)$, justifying the equals notation.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 20 at 8:19
add a comment |Â
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up vote
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I know that writing $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$ is a thing, but I think it is one of the most misleading notations ever $-$ when used without further explanation. So I will try to give the explanations: define $mathrm o(h)$ as a set of functions:
$$mathrm o(h):=leftf:Bbb RtoBbb R mid lim_hto 0 fracf(h)h = 0right,$$
and then $gin mathrm o(h)$ is what formerly was denoted by $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$. Now we add a notational convention: any expression that contains $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a function is to be interpreted as "there is a function $ginmathrm o(h)$ replacing this occurence of $mathrm o(h)$". So e.g. $f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x) = mathrm o(h)$ means
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h):f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)=g_x(h).$$
Note that this might be a different $g_x$ for every $x$ (the derivative is defined point-wise). Now it might be clear why we can handle this "function" $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a real function. The right side above is obviously equivalent to
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h): f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+g_x(h).$$
And by our notational convention, we can write this as $f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+mathrm o(h)$.
I know that writing $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$ is a thing, but I think it is one of the most misleading notations ever $-$ when used without further explanation. So I will try to give the explanations: define $mathrm o(h)$ as a set of functions:
$$mathrm o(h):=leftf:Bbb RtoBbb R mid lim_hto 0 fracf(h)h = 0right,$$
and then $gin mathrm o(h)$ is what formerly was denoted by $g(h)=mathrm o(h)$. Now we add a notational convention: any expression that contains $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a function is to be interpreted as "there is a function $ginmathrm o(h)$ replacing this occurence of $mathrm o(h)$". So e.g. $f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x) = mathrm o(h)$ means
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h):f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)=g_x(h).$$
Note that this might be a different $g_x$ for every $x$ (the derivative is defined point-wise). Now it might be clear why we can handle this "function" $mathrm o(h)$ as if it where a real function. The right side above is obviously equivalent to
$$forall x:exists g_xinmathrm o(h): f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+g_x(h).$$
And by our notational convention, we can write this as $f(x+h)-f(x)=f'(x)+mathrm o(h)$.
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Actually $exists$ can be replaced by $exists !$, right?
â user529760
Aug 19 at 10:12
1
@user529760 Yes, or we can write $forall x: f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)inmathrm o(h)$. But then bringing $f'(x)$ to the other side again needs some explanations.
â M. Winter
Aug 19 at 10:13
1
Point 10 here.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:33
I can handle some abuse of notation, but $g(h)=o(h)$ really is disgusting. It pleases the eye to see $gin o(h)$ even if I don't entirely agree with this notation. Upvoted.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:38
I also write $fin o(h)$ rather than use equality. I haven't checked it, but perhaps in terms of equivalence classes $f$ can be identified with $o(h)$, justifying the equals notation.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 20 at 8:19
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Actually $exists$ can be replaced by $exists !$, right?
â user529760
Aug 19 at 10:12
1
@user529760 Yes, or we can write $forall x: f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)inmathrm o(h)$. But then bringing $f'(x)$ to the other side again needs some explanations.
â M. Winter
Aug 19 at 10:13
1
Point 10 here.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:33
I can handle some abuse of notation, but $g(h)=o(h)$ really is disgusting. It pleases the eye to see $gin o(h)$ even if I don't entirely agree with this notation. Upvoted.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:38
I also write $fin o(h)$ rather than use equality. I haven't checked it, but perhaps in terms of equivalence classes $f$ can be identified with $o(h)$, justifying the equals notation.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 20 at 8:19
Actually $exists$ can be replaced by $exists !$, right?
â user529760
Aug 19 at 10:12
Actually $exists$ can be replaced by $exists !$, right?
â user529760
Aug 19 at 10:12
1
1
@user529760 Yes, or we can write $forall x: f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)inmathrm o(h)$. But then bringing $f'(x)$ to the other side again needs some explanations.
â M. Winter
Aug 19 at 10:13
@user529760 Yes, or we can write $forall x: f(x+h)-f(x)-f'(x)inmathrm o(h)$. But then bringing $f'(x)$ to the other side again needs some explanations.
â M. Winter
Aug 19 at 10:13
1
1
Point 10 here.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:33
Point 10 here.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:33
I can handle some abuse of notation, but $g(h)=o(h)$ really is disgusting. It pleases the eye to see $gin o(h)$ even if I don't entirely agree with this notation. Upvoted.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:38
I can handle some abuse of notation, but $g(h)=o(h)$ really is disgusting. It pleases the eye to see $gin o(h)$ even if I don't entirely agree with this notation. Upvoted.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:38
I also write $fin o(h)$ rather than use equality. I haven't checked it, but perhaps in terms of equivalence classes $f$ can be identified with $o(h)$, justifying the equals notation.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 20 at 8:19
I also write $fin o(h)$ rather than use equality. I haven't checked it, but perhaps in terms of equivalence classes $f$ can be identified with $o(h)$, justifying the equals notation.
â Alvin Lepik
Aug 20 at 8:19
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I believe this is your definition (assuming, some definition of $o(cdot)$)
$$ a = b + o(c) text iff there exists d text such that d=o(c), text and a-b=d$$
So the proof- let $x$ be fixed. Then note that we can always define $R(h)$ to force the following two equalities at the same time,
$$f(x+h) - f(x) - f'(x) h = R(h) iff f(x+h) - f(x) = f'(x) h+ R(h)$$
Then statement 1.
makes the claim that in the LHS equation, $R(h) = o(h)$. The statement 2.
(assuming you meant f'(x)h
and not f'(x)
) asserts again that $R(h) = o(h)$ but starting from the RHS. That these are equivalent is the above $iff$ arrow.
Yup, $f'(x)$ was a typo, I meant $f'(x)h$, thank you :).
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I believe this is your definition (assuming, some definition of $o(cdot)$)
$$ a = b + o(c) text iff there exists d text such that d=o(c), text and a-b=d$$
So the proof- let $x$ be fixed. Then note that we can always define $R(h)$ to force the following two equalities at the same time,
$$f(x+h) - f(x) - f'(x) h = R(h) iff f(x+h) - f(x) = f'(x) h+ R(h)$$
Then statement 1.
makes the claim that in the LHS equation, $R(h) = o(h)$. The statement 2.
(assuming you meant f'(x)h
and not f'(x)
) asserts again that $R(h) = o(h)$ but starting from the RHS. That these are equivalent is the above $iff$ arrow.
Yup, $f'(x)$ was a typo, I meant $f'(x)h$, thank you :).
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Aug 19 at 14:15
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up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
I believe this is your definition (assuming, some definition of $o(cdot)$)
$$ a = b + o(c) text iff there exists d text such that d=o(c), text and a-b=d$$
So the proof- let $x$ be fixed. Then note that we can always define $R(h)$ to force the following two equalities at the same time,
$$f(x+h) - f(x) - f'(x) h = R(h) iff f(x+h) - f(x) = f'(x) h+ R(h)$$
Then statement 1.
makes the claim that in the LHS equation, $R(h) = o(h)$. The statement 2.
(assuming you meant f'(x)h
and not f'(x)
) asserts again that $R(h) = o(h)$ but starting from the RHS. That these are equivalent is the above $iff$ arrow.
I believe this is your definition (assuming, some definition of $o(cdot)$)
$$ a = b + o(c) text iff there exists d text such that d=o(c), text and a-b=d$$
So the proof- let $x$ be fixed. Then note that we can always define $R(h)$ to force the following two equalities at the same time,
$$f(x+h) - f(x) - f'(x) h = R(h) iff f(x+h) - f(x) = f'(x) h+ R(h)$$
Then statement 1.
makes the claim that in the LHS equation, $R(h) = o(h)$. The statement 2.
(assuming you meant f'(x)h
and not f'(x)
) asserts again that $R(h) = o(h)$ but starting from the RHS. That these are equivalent is the above $iff$ arrow.
answered Aug 19 at 9:41
Calvin Khor
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Yup, $f'(x)$ was a typo, I meant $f'(x)h$, thank you :).
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Aug 19 at 14:15
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Yup, $f'(x)$ was a typo, I meant $f'(x)h$, thank you :).
â æÂÂæº修
Aug 19 at 14:15
Yup, $f'(x)$ was a typo, I meant $f'(x)h$, thank you :).
â æÂÂæº修
Aug 19 at 14:15
Yup, $f'(x)$ was a typo, I meant $f'(x)h$, thank you :).
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Aug 19 at 14:15
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The definition makes no sense to me. What is $h$?
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:26
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, did you mean to writef'(x)
orf'(x)h
?â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:27
OK, for anyone wondering, the proper definition goes like this. Let $gcolon mathbb Rto mathbb R$ be a function defined in an open-interval around $0$, we say that "$g$ is $o(mathrmid)$" and write $g=o(mathrmid)$ if, and only if, $lim limits_xto 0left(dfracg(x)mathrmid(x)right)=0$, where $mathrmid$ denotes the identity function.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 9:33
@GitGud don't think I understand the distinction, and I'd like to see an actual piece of mathematics written with $o(operatornameid)$. I think its too clunky a notation. Perhaps you'd be happy with $g(x)=o(x)$ as $xto 0$?
â Calvin Khor
Aug 19 at 9:36
@CalvinKhor You won't find mathematics written like this because people who care more about the notation than analysts, aren't analysts, I think you do understand the distinction, perhaps you meant to say that you don't see how it is useful? It's useful for me for the simple fact that I couldn't understand the definition in the question and also for the fact that the definition I wrote, however unintelligible it might seem to many, is actually correct. This is important because when something is incorrect, you're left with guessing. If something is correct, you have hope of understanding it.
â Git Gud
Aug 19 at 12:29