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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
I am trying to say that at the time of the war, provinces each established a system of employment offices. These offices aided in the distribution of labour for the war effort. The provinces did this on their own, they felt there was a need for such a system. They were obviously not the same, but had one key element that was common: they were labour exchanges that distributed man power.
The way I have written it sounds weird to me, esp. the part "their own". It kind of feels that using "their own" somehow conveys that the federal govt. beforehand set up these offices FOR the provinces. I will explain their purpose in following that sentence. Can someone help me figure out a way to restructure this please?
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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
I am trying to say that at the time of the war, provinces each established a system of employment offices. These offices aided in the distribution of labour for the war effort. The provinces did this on their own, they felt there was a need for such a system. They were obviously not the same, but had one key element that was common: they were labour exchanges that distributed man power.
The way I have written it sounds weird to me, esp. the part "their own". It kind of feels that using "their own" somehow conveys that the federal govt. beforehand set up these offices FOR the provinces. I will explain their purpose in following that sentence. Can someone help me figure out a way to restructure this please?
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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
I am trying to say that at the time of the war, provinces each established a system of employment offices. These offices aided in the distribution of labour for the war effort. The provinces did this on their own, they felt there was a need for such a system. They were obviously not the same, but had one key element that was common: they were labour exchanges that distributed man power.
The way I have written it sounds weird to me, esp. the part "their own". It kind of feels that using "their own" somehow conveys that the federal govt. beforehand set up these offices FOR the provinces. I will explain their purpose in following that sentence. Can someone help me figure out a way to restructure this please?
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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
I am trying to say that at the time of the war, provinces each established a system of employment offices. These offices aided in the distribution of labour for the war effort. The provinces did this on their own, they felt there was a need for such a system. They were obviously not the same, but had one key element that was common: they were labour exchanges that distributed man power.
The way I have written it sounds weird to me, esp. the part "their own". It kind of feels that using "their own" somehow conveys that the federal govt. beforehand set up these offices FOR the provinces. I will explain their purpose in following that sentence. Can someone help me figure out a way to restructure this please?
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Reading the question, an answer, and all the comments, it's still not clear to me if you're actually trying to describe a set of individual systems or a single system.
Depending on what you're actually trying to describe, I would suggest one of the following:
- The war induced each provincial government to establish its own system of free public employment offices.
Here, adding each and changing their own to its own clarifies that it's one system per province.
- The war induced provincial governments to establish a joint system of free public employment offices.
Here, it's clear that it's only a single systemâÂÂbut one that was established through the joint effort of all provinces.
I should have clarified that, but your first prediction is correct. Each province had a unique system of their own. Is there a way to use "each" elsewhere in the sentence? Using "The war induced each provincial government" seems that the war very intentionally and specifically did something to each of those provinces. Where as it was a need that was felt by the leaders. Although it was never a joint effort, when some of the provinces did establish such offices, others fed off that and contributed.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:34
I feel like this amply answers the question, and does a good job of telling any learner a good way to solve the quandary, no matter which way the particular details go. @A.Ishtiaq - If you don't like the way "each" works in that sentence, I suggest you find a different verb than induce, but this is getting dangerously close to proofreading.
â J.R.â¦
Aug 19 at 9:43
@J.R. Right. I apologize if it seemed that way, but proof reading was not my intention.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:49
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Using "their own" is correct since the provincial governments came up with the systems themselves. You could preface your sentence by saying
Without a formal labour exchange in place, the war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
This would remove the ambiguity you point out of whether the government already had something in place for the provinces.
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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
The way it's currently worded, it sounds like all the provincial governments had the same system, since English, unlike for example French, tends to use the plural when multiple entities own one of the same thing each. Multiple things altogether, plural noun. (In French, one thing each, singular noun.)
The war induced provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices.
Using the plural makes it less likely (but still possible) that the provences were sharing systems. Words you can add to try and mitigate this effect are each and independent:
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices.
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of one another.
The war induced the provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of each another.
In this example: "The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices." are the words in bold in the correct form? Shouldn't it be "its" and "system"?
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 20 at 1:17
@A.Ishtiaq You can use its instead of their. Strictly speaking each makes the subject singular, so its is "more" correct, but both are in common usage (matching by singular grammar or matching by plural reality). If you do use its then you are correct that systems changes the meaning and should be system.
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Reading the question, an answer, and all the comments, it's still not clear to me if you're actually trying to describe a set of individual systems or a single system.
Depending on what you're actually trying to describe, I would suggest one of the following:
- The war induced each provincial government to establish its own system of free public employment offices.
Here, adding each and changing their own to its own clarifies that it's one system per province.
- The war induced provincial governments to establish a joint system of free public employment offices.
Here, it's clear that it's only a single systemâÂÂbut one that was established through the joint effort of all provinces.
I should have clarified that, but your first prediction is correct. Each province had a unique system of their own. Is there a way to use "each" elsewhere in the sentence? Using "The war induced each provincial government" seems that the war very intentionally and specifically did something to each of those provinces. Where as it was a need that was felt by the leaders. Although it was never a joint effort, when some of the provinces did establish such offices, others fed off that and contributed.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:34
I feel like this amply answers the question, and does a good job of telling any learner a good way to solve the quandary, no matter which way the particular details go. @A.Ishtiaq - If you don't like the way "each" works in that sentence, I suggest you find a different verb than induce, but this is getting dangerously close to proofreading.
â J.R.â¦
Aug 19 at 9:43
@J.R. Right. I apologize if it seemed that way, but proof reading was not my intention.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:49
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Reading the question, an answer, and all the comments, it's still not clear to me if you're actually trying to describe a set of individual systems or a single system.
Depending on what you're actually trying to describe, I would suggest one of the following:
- The war induced each provincial government to establish its own system of free public employment offices.
Here, adding each and changing their own to its own clarifies that it's one system per province.
- The war induced provincial governments to establish a joint system of free public employment offices.
Here, it's clear that it's only a single systemâÂÂbut one that was established through the joint effort of all provinces.
I should have clarified that, but your first prediction is correct. Each province had a unique system of their own. Is there a way to use "each" elsewhere in the sentence? Using "The war induced each provincial government" seems that the war very intentionally and specifically did something to each of those provinces. Where as it was a need that was felt by the leaders. Although it was never a joint effort, when some of the provinces did establish such offices, others fed off that and contributed.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:34
I feel like this amply answers the question, and does a good job of telling any learner a good way to solve the quandary, no matter which way the particular details go. @A.Ishtiaq - If you don't like the way "each" works in that sentence, I suggest you find a different verb than induce, but this is getting dangerously close to proofreading.
â J.R.â¦
Aug 19 at 9:43
@J.R. Right. I apologize if it seemed that way, but proof reading was not my intention.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:49
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Reading the question, an answer, and all the comments, it's still not clear to me if you're actually trying to describe a set of individual systems or a single system.
Depending on what you're actually trying to describe, I would suggest one of the following:
- The war induced each provincial government to establish its own system of free public employment offices.
Here, adding each and changing their own to its own clarifies that it's one system per province.
- The war induced provincial governments to establish a joint system of free public employment offices.
Here, it's clear that it's only a single systemâÂÂbut one that was established through the joint effort of all provinces.
Reading the question, an answer, and all the comments, it's still not clear to me if you're actually trying to describe a set of individual systems or a single system.
Depending on what you're actually trying to describe, I would suggest one of the following:
- The war induced each provincial government to establish its own system of free public employment offices.
Here, adding each and changing their own to its own clarifies that it's one system per province.
- The war induced provincial governments to establish a joint system of free public employment offices.
Here, it's clear that it's only a single systemâÂÂbut one that was established through the joint effort of all provinces.
edited Aug 19 at 9:05
answered Aug 19 at 8:58
Jason Bassford
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I should have clarified that, but your first prediction is correct. Each province had a unique system of their own. Is there a way to use "each" elsewhere in the sentence? Using "The war induced each provincial government" seems that the war very intentionally and specifically did something to each of those provinces. Where as it was a need that was felt by the leaders. Although it was never a joint effort, when some of the provinces did establish such offices, others fed off that and contributed.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:34
I feel like this amply answers the question, and does a good job of telling any learner a good way to solve the quandary, no matter which way the particular details go. @A.Ishtiaq - If you don't like the way "each" works in that sentence, I suggest you find a different verb than induce, but this is getting dangerously close to proofreading.
â J.R.â¦
Aug 19 at 9:43
@J.R. Right. I apologize if it seemed that way, but proof reading was not my intention.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:49
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I should have clarified that, but your first prediction is correct. Each province had a unique system of their own. Is there a way to use "each" elsewhere in the sentence? Using "The war induced each provincial government" seems that the war very intentionally and specifically did something to each of those provinces. Where as it was a need that was felt by the leaders. Although it was never a joint effort, when some of the provinces did establish such offices, others fed off that and contributed.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:34
I feel like this amply answers the question, and does a good job of telling any learner a good way to solve the quandary, no matter which way the particular details go. @A.Ishtiaq - If you don't like the way "each" works in that sentence, I suggest you find a different verb than induce, but this is getting dangerously close to proofreading.
â J.R.â¦
Aug 19 at 9:43
@J.R. Right. I apologize if it seemed that way, but proof reading was not my intention.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:49
I should have clarified that, but your first prediction is correct. Each province had a unique system of their own. Is there a way to use "each" elsewhere in the sentence? Using "The war induced each provincial government" seems that the war very intentionally and specifically did something to each of those provinces. Where as it was a need that was felt by the leaders. Although it was never a joint effort, when some of the provinces did establish such offices, others fed off that and contributed.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:34
I should have clarified that, but your first prediction is correct. Each province had a unique system of their own. Is there a way to use "each" elsewhere in the sentence? Using "The war induced each provincial government" seems that the war very intentionally and specifically did something to each of those provinces. Where as it was a need that was felt by the leaders. Although it was never a joint effort, when some of the provinces did establish such offices, others fed off that and contributed.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:34
I feel like this amply answers the question, and does a good job of telling any learner a good way to solve the quandary, no matter which way the particular details go. @A.Ishtiaq - If you don't like the way "each" works in that sentence, I suggest you find a different verb than induce, but this is getting dangerously close to proofreading.
â J.R.â¦
Aug 19 at 9:43
I feel like this amply answers the question, and does a good job of telling any learner a good way to solve the quandary, no matter which way the particular details go. @A.Ishtiaq - If you don't like the way "each" works in that sentence, I suggest you find a different verb than induce, but this is getting dangerously close to proofreading.
â J.R.â¦
Aug 19 at 9:43
@J.R. Right. I apologize if it seemed that way, but proof reading was not my intention.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:49
@J.R. Right. I apologize if it seemed that way, but proof reading was not my intention.
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 19 at 9:49
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Using "their own" is correct since the provincial governments came up with the systems themselves. You could preface your sentence by saying
Without a formal labour exchange in place, the war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
This would remove the ambiguity you point out of whether the government already had something in place for the provinces.
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Using "their own" is correct since the provincial governments came up with the systems themselves. You could preface your sentence by saying
Without a formal labour exchange in place, the war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
This would remove the ambiguity you point out of whether the government already had something in place for the provinces.
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Using "their own" is correct since the provincial governments came up with the systems themselves. You could preface your sentence by saying
Without a formal labour exchange in place, the war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
This would remove the ambiguity you point out of whether the government already had something in place for the provinces.
Using "their own" is correct since the provincial governments came up with the systems themselves. You could preface your sentence by saying
Without a formal labour exchange in place, the war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
This would remove the ambiguity you point out of whether the government already had something in place for the provinces.
answered Aug 19 at 8:17
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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
The way it's currently worded, it sounds like all the provincial governments had the same system, since English, unlike for example French, tends to use the plural when multiple entities own one of the same thing each. Multiple things altogether, plural noun. (In French, one thing each, singular noun.)
The war induced provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices.
Using the plural makes it less likely (but still possible) that the provences were sharing systems. Words you can add to try and mitigate this effect are each and independent:
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices.
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of one another.
The war induced the provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of each another.
In this example: "The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices." are the words in bold in the correct form? Shouldn't it be "its" and "system"?
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 20 at 1:17
@A.Ishtiaq You can use its instead of their. Strictly speaking each makes the subject singular, so its is "more" correct, but both are in common usage (matching by singular grammar or matching by plural reality). If you do use its then you are correct that systems changes the meaning and should be system.
â CJ Dennis
Aug 20 at 1:30
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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
The way it's currently worded, it sounds like all the provincial governments had the same system, since English, unlike for example French, tends to use the plural when multiple entities own one of the same thing each. Multiple things altogether, plural noun. (In French, one thing each, singular noun.)
The war induced provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices.
Using the plural makes it less likely (but still possible) that the provences were sharing systems. Words you can add to try and mitigate this effect are each and independent:
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices.
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of one another.
The war induced the provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of each another.
In this example: "The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices." are the words in bold in the correct form? Shouldn't it be "its" and "system"?
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 20 at 1:17
@A.Ishtiaq You can use its instead of their. Strictly speaking each makes the subject singular, so its is "more" correct, but both are in common usage (matching by singular grammar or matching by plural reality). If you do use its then you are correct that systems changes the meaning and should be system.
â CJ Dennis
Aug 20 at 1:30
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The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
The way it's currently worded, it sounds like all the provincial governments had the same system, since English, unlike for example French, tends to use the plural when multiple entities own one of the same thing each. Multiple things altogether, plural noun. (In French, one thing each, singular noun.)
The war induced provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices.
Using the plural makes it less likely (but still possible) that the provences were sharing systems. Words you can add to try and mitigate this effect are each and independent:
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices.
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of one another.
The war induced the provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of each another.
The war induced provincial governments to establish their own system of free public employment offices.
The way it's currently worded, it sounds like all the provincial governments had the same system, since English, unlike for example French, tends to use the plural when multiple entities own one of the same thing each. Multiple things altogether, plural noun. (In French, one thing each, singular noun.)
The war induced provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices.
Using the plural makes it less likely (but still possible) that the provences were sharing systems. Words you can add to try and mitigate this effect are each and independent:
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices.
The war induced each provincial government to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of one another.
The war induced the provincial governments to establish their own systems of free public employment offices, independently of each another.
answered Aug 19 at 11:00
CJ Dennis
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In this example: "The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices." are the words in bold in the correct form? Shouldn't it be "its" and "system"?
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 20 at 1:17
@A.Ishtiaq You can use its instead of their. Strictly speaking each makes the subject singular, so its is "more" correct, but both are in common usage (matching by singular grammar or matching by plural reality). If you do use its then you are correct that systems changes the meaning and should be system.
â CJ Dennis
Aug 20 at 1:30
add a comment |Â
In this example: "The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices." are the words in bold in the correct form? Shouldn't it be "its" and "system"?
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 20 at 1:17
@A.Ishtiaq You can use its instead of their. Strictly speaking each makes the subject singular, so its is "more" correct, but both are in common usage (matching by singular grammar or matching by plural reality). If you do use its then you are correct that systems changes the meaning and should be system.
â CJ Dennis
Aug 20 at 1:30
In this example: "The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices." are the words in bold in the correct form? Shouldn't it be "its" and "system"?
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 20 at 1:17
In this example: "The war induced each provincial government to establish their own independent systems of free public employment offices." are the words in bold in the correct form? Shouldn't it be "its" and "system"?
â A. Ishtiaq
Aug 20 at 1:17
@A.Ishtiaq You can use its instead of their. Strictly speaking each makes the subject singular, so its is "more" correct, but both are in common usage (matching by singular grammar or matching by plural reality). If you do use its then you are correct that systems changes the meaning and should be system.
â CJ Dennis
Aug 20 at 1:30
@A.Ishtiaq You can use its instead of their. Strictly speaking each makes the subject singular, so its is "more" correct, but both are in common usage (matching by singular grammar or matching by plural reality). If you do use its then you are correct that systems changes the meaning and should be system.
â CJ Dennis
Aug 20 at 1:30
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