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how to find the order of an element in a quotient group




Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.




$1) 2 $



$2) 3 $



$c) 4$



$d) 6$



My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers



$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$



But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$



im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???



Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated







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    i have some confusion.,,,that this question has already asked here
    how to find the order of an element in a quotient group




    Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.




    $1) 2 $



    $2) 3 $



    $c) 4$



    $d) 6$



    My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers



    $(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



    $(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



    now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$



    But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$



    im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???



    Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated







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      i have some confusion.,,,that this question has already asked here
      how to find the order of an element in a quotient group




      Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.




      $1) 2 $



      $2) 3 $



      $c) 4$



      $d) 6$



      My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers



      $(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



      $(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



      now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$



      But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$



      im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???



      Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated







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      i have some confusion.,,,that this question has already asked here
      how to find the order of an element in a quotient group




      Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.




      $1) 2 $



      $2) 3 $



      $c) 4$



      $d) 6$



      My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers



      $(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



      $(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$



      now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$



      But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$



      im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???



      Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated









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          The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.






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          An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).



          With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.






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            Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )






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              You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
              In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q






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              • Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
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              The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.






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              The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.






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              The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.






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              The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.







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              An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).



              With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.






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                An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).



                With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.






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                  An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).



                  With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.






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                  An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).



                  With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.







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                      Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )






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                        Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )






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                          Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )






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                          Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )







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                              You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
                              In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q






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                              • Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
                                – Henrik
                                Aug 19 at 7:28














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                              You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
                              In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q






                              share|cite|improve this answer




















                              • Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
                                – Henrik
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                              You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
                              In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q






                              share|cite|improve this answer












                              You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
                              In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q







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                              • Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
                                – Henrik
                                Aug 19 at 7:28
















                              • Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
                                – Henrik
                                Aug 19 at 7:28















                              Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
                              – Henrik
                              Aug 19 at 7:28




                              Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
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