find the the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.
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how to find the order of an element in a quotient group
Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.
$1) 2 $
$2) 3 $
$c) 4$
$d) 6$
My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$
But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$
im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???
Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated
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i have some confusion.,,,that this question has already asked here
how to find the order of an element in a quotient group
Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.
$1) 2 $
$2) 3 $
$c) 4$
$d) 6$
My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$
But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$
im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???
Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated
group-theory abelian-groups
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i have some confusion.,,,that this question has already asked here
how to find the order of an element in a quotient group
Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.
$1) 2 $
$2) 3 $
$c) 4$
$d) 6$
My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$
But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$
im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???
Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated
group-theory abelian-groups
i have some confusion.,,,that this question has already asked here
how to find the order of an element in a quotient group
Let $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$ be the quotient group of the additive group of rational numbers.then the order of the element $frac23+mathbbZ$ in $mathbbQ/mathbbZ$.
$1) 2 $
$2) 3 $
$c) 4$
$d) 6$
My attempts : $fracmathbbQmathbbZ$ additive groups of rational numbers
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)= 2 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
$(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) +(2/3 + mathbbZ ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ) + (2/3 + mathbbZ)=6 + mathbbZ=mathbbZ$
now my answer is option $ 2)$ and option $4)$
But according to duplicate Question answer is given $3$ that order will be $3$
im confusing that why order $6$ is not correct ???
Any hints/solutiuon will be appreciated
group-theory abelian-groups
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The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.
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An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).
With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.
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Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )
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You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q
Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
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The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.
thanks u Alex .... im trying to accept ur answer but it show that after 5 minutes u can .accept
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The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.
thanks u Alex .... im trying to accept ur answer but it show that after 5 minutes u can .accept
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The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.
The order of an element $x$ in a group $G$ (let's say abelian, written additively) is defined to be the smallest positive integer $n$ for which $ncdot x=0$. In your case, we have $G=Bbb Q/Bbb Z$ and $x=frac23+Bbb Z$, and you've noted that $3cdot x=0$ and $6cdot x=0$. Since $3$ is smaller than $6$, and no smaller positive integer satisfies $ncdot x=0$, we have that the order of $frac23+Bbb Z$ is $3$.
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An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).
With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.
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An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).
With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.
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An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).
With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.
An element in a group only has one order (the question also talks about "the order"): the smallest integer $n$ such that $ng=0$ (writing the group operation additively).
With your interpretation and your example, e.g. $9$ (any multiple of $3$) would be an order but not among the options, making the options poorly chosen.
answered Aug 19 at 7:02
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Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )
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Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )
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Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )
Remember that in general, the order of an element $g$ in a group $G$ is the smallest integer $n$ such that $g^n = e$ or ($ng = 0$ in additive notation. )
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You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q
Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
â Henrik
Aug 19 at 7:28
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up vote
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You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q
Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
â Henrik
Aug 19 at 7:28
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You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q
You have to choose the smallest one because order is the least positive integer n such that a^n =e.Now here 3 is the least positive integer .it is not only 6 but also for any multiple of 3 you get..a^3n=e. (Where e is the identity element}).
In Q mod Z for any element p/q +Z the order of that element is q
answered Aug 19 at 7:03
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Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
â Henrik
Aug 19 at 7:28
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Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
â Henrik
Aug 19 at 7:28
Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
â Henrik
Aug 19 at 7:28
Please use MathJax. And the final sentence is only correct if $p/q$ is in lowest possible terms, e.g. $mathbb Z+4/6$ does not have order $6$.
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Aug 19 at 7:28
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