Joint Density of two Cauchy Distribution
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$mathbf Problem:$ If $X, Y, Z$ are i.i.d. from standard normal, find the joint density of
$W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$?
$mathbf Attempt:$ All I know is $W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$ both follows Cauchy Distribution. But how do I find out the joint density of $W$ and $V$? I think $W$ and $Z$ are not independent, so can't use $$ f_W,V(w,v) = f_W(w) cdot f_V(v)$$ Where $f$ denote density.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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$mathbf Problem:$ If $X, Y, Z$ are i.i.d. from standard normal, find the joint density of
$W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$?
$mathbf Attempt:$ All I know is $W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$ both follows Cauchy Distribution. But how do I find out the joint density of $W$ and $V$? I think $W$ and $Z$ are not independent, so can't use $$ f_W,V(w,v) = f_W(w) cdot f_V(v)$$ Where $f$ denote density.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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$mathbf Problem:$ If $X, Y, Z$ are i.i.d. from standard normal, find the joint density of
$W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$?
$mathbf Attempt:$ All I know is $W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$ both follows Cauchy Distribution. But how do I find out the joint density of $W$ and $V$? I think $W$ and $Z$ are not independent, so can't use $$ f_W,V(w,v) = f_W(w) cdot f_V(v)$$ Where $f$ denote density.
Any help would be much appreciated.
probability-distributions normal-distribution density-function
$mathbf Problem:$ If $X, Y, Z$ are i.i.d. from standard normal, find the joint density of
$W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$?
$mathbf Attempt:$ All I know is $W=X/Y$ and $V=Y /Z$ both follows Cauchy Distribution. But how do I find out the joint density of $W$ and $V$? I think $W$ and $Z$ are not independent, so can't use $$ f_W,V(w,v) = f_W(w) cdot f_V(v)$$ Where $f$ denote density.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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There could be an easier way but you could try applying the usual change of variables technique.
Joint density of $(X,Y,Z)$ is $$f_X,Y,Z(x,y,z)=frac1(sqrt2pi)^3e^-frac12(x^2+y^2+z^2)qquad,,(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3$$
Transform $(X,Y,Z)to(U,V,W)$ such that $$U=fracXY,quad V=fracYZ,quad W=Z$$
We have the inverse solutions $$x=uvw,quad y=vw,quad z=w$$
Then $(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3implies (u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$.
A quick calculation gives the absolute value of Jacobian as $|J|=|v|w^2$.
So the joint density of $(U,V,W)$ is $$f_U,V,W(u,v,w)=frac(sqrt2pi)^3e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1)qquad,,(u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$$
Integrating over $w$ you get the joint pdf of $(U,V)$ as
beginalign
f_U,V(u,v)&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_mathbb Rw^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^infty w^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^inftysqrtte^-alpha t,dtqquadleft[w^2=t;quad (u^2v^2+v^2+1)/2=alpharight]
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3fracGamma(3/2)alpha^3/2
endalign
So finally,
$$f_U,V(u,v)=fracv2pi(u^2v^2+v^2+1)^3/2qquad,,(u,v)inmathbb R^2$$
Integrating this over the support yields $1$, so looks like this is the correct density.
Just got struck integrating the density to get 1. Got something like $frac12int_0^inftyfracdz(zu^2+z+1)^3/2$ after substituting $z=v^2$ .
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Aug 19 at 15:58
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Aug 19 at 16:01
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There could be an easier way but you could try applying the usual change of variables technique.
Joint density of $(X,Y,Z)$ is $$f_X,Y,Z(x,y,z)=frac1(sqrt2pi)^3e^-frac12(x^2+y^2+z^2)qquad,,(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3$$
Transform $(X,Y,Z)to(U,V,W)$ such that $$U=fracXY,quad V=fracYZ,quad W=Z$$
We have the inverse solutions $$x=uvw,quad y=vw,quad z=w$$
Then $(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3implies (u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$.
A quick calculation gives the absolute value of Jacobian as $|J|=|v|w^2$.
So the joint density of $(U,V,W)$ is $$f_U,V,W(u,v,w)=frac(sqrt2pi)^3e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1)qquad,,(u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$$
Integrating over $w$ you get the joint pdf of $(U,V)$ as
beginalign
f_U,V(u,v)&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_mathbb Rw^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^infty w^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^inftysqrtte^-alpha t,dtqquadleft[w^2=t;quad (u^2v^2+v^2+1)/2=alpharight]
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3fracGamma(3/2)alpha^3/2
endalign
So finally,
$$f_U,V(u,v)=fracv2pi(u^2v^2+v^2+1)^3/2qquad,,(u,v)inmathbb R^2$$
Integrating this over the support yields $1$, so looks like this is the correct density.
Just got struck integrating the density to get 1. Got something like $frac12int_0^inftyfracdz(zu^2+z+1)^3/2$ after substituting $z=v^2$ .
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 15:58
@RATNODEEPBAIN Well, I used software to verify that. Didn't do it myself.
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 16:01
Oh! Can you name the software.
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 17:15
@RATNODEEPBAIN wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 19:45
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There could be an easier way but you could try applying the usual change of variables technique.
Joint density of $(X,Y,Z)$ is $$f_X,Y,Z(x,y,z)=frac1(sqrt2pi)^3e^-frac12(x^2+y^2+z^2)qquad,,(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3$$
Transform $(X,Y,Z)to(U,V,W)$ such that $$U=fracXY,quad V=fracYZ,quad W=Z$$
We have the inverse solutions $$x=uvw,quad y=vw,quad z=w$$
Then $(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3implies (u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$.
A quick calculation gives the absolute value of Jacobian as $|J|=|v|w^2$.
So the joint density of $(U,V,W)$ is $$f_U,V,W(u,v,w)=frac(sqrt2pi)^3e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1)qquad,,(u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$$
Integrating over $w$ you get the joint pdf of $(U,V)$ as
beginalign
f_U,V(u,v)&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_mathbb Rw^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^infty w^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^inftysqrtte^-alpha t,dtqquadleft[w^2=t;quad (u^2v^2+v^2+1)/2=alpharight]
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3fracGamma(3/2)alpha^3/2
endalign
So finally,
$$f_U,V(u,v)=fracv2pi(u^2v^2+v^2+1)^3/2qquad,,(u,v)inmathbb R^2$$
Integrating this over the support yields $1$, so looks like this is the correct density.
Just got struck integrating the density to get 1. Got something like $frac12int_0^inftyfracdz(zu^2+z+1)^3/2$ after substituting $z=v^2$ .
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 15:58
@RATNODEEPBAIN Well, I used software to verify that. Didn't do it myself.
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 16:01
Oh! Can you name the software.
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 17:15
@RATNODEEPBAIN wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 19:45
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There could be an easier way but you could try applying the usual change of variables technique.
Joint density of $(X,Y,Z)$ is $$f_X,Y,Z(x,y,z)=frac1(sqrt2pi)^3e^-frac12(x^2+y^2+z^2)qquad,,(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3$$
Transform $(X,Y,Z)to(U,V,W)$ such that $$U=fracXY,quad V=fracYZ,quad W=Z$$
We have the inverse solutions $$x=uvw,quad y=vw,quad z=w$$
Then $(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3implies (u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$.
A quick calculation gives the absolute value of Jacobian as $|J|=|v|w^2$.
So the joint density of $(U,V,W)$ is $$f_U,V,W(u,v,w)=frac(sqrt2pi)^3e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1)qquad,,(u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$$
Integrating over $w$ you get the joint pdf of $(U,V)$ as
beginalign
f_U,V(u,v)&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_mathbb Rw^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^infty w^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^inftysqrtte^-alpha t,dtqquadleft[w^2=t;quad (u^2v^2+v^2+1)/2=alpharight]
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3fracGamma(3/2)alpha^3/2
endalign
So finally,
$$f_U,V(u,v)=fracv2pi(u^2v^2+v^2+1)^3/2qquad,,(u,v)inmathbb R^2$$
Integrating this over the support yields $1$, so looks like this is the correct density.
There could be an easier way but you could try applying the usual change of variables technique.
Joint density of $(X,Y,Z)$ is $$f_X,Y,Z(x,y,z)=frac1(sqrt2pi)^3e^-frac12(x^2+y^2+z^2)qquad,,(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3$$
Transform $(X,Y,Z)to(U,V,W)$ such that $$U=fracXY,quad V=fracYZ,quad W=Z$$
We have the inverse solutions $$x=uvw,quad y=vw,quad z=w$$
Then $(x,y,z)inmathbb R^3implies (u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$.
A quick calculation gives the absolute value of Jacobian as $|J|=|v|w^2$.
So the joint density of $(U,V,W)$ is $$f_U,V,W(u,v,w)=frac(sqrt2pi)^3e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1)qquad,,(u,v,w)inmathbb R^3$$
Integrating over $w$ you get the joint pdf of $(U,V)$ as
beginalign
f_U,V(u,v)&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_mathbb Rw^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^infty w^2e^-fracw^22(u^2v^2+v^2+1),dw
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3int_0^inftysqrtte^-alpha t,dtqquadleft[w^2=t;quad (u^2v^2+v^2+1)/2=alpharight]
\&=fracv(sqrt2pi)^3fracGamma(3/2)alpha^3/2
endalign
So finally,
$$f_U,V(u,v)=fracv2pi(u^2v^2+v^2+1)^3/2qquad,,(u,v)inmathbb R^2$$
Integrating this over the support yields $1$, so looks like this is the correct density.
edited Aug 19 at 20:05
answered Aug 19 at 8:15
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Just got struck integrating the density to get 1. Got something like $frac12int_0^inftyfracdz(zu^2+z+1)^3/2$ after substituting $z=v^2$ .
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 15:58
@RATNODEEPBAIN Well, I used software to verify that. Didn't do it myself.
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 16:01
Oh! Can you name the software.
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 17:15
@RATNODEEPBAIN wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 19:45
add a comment |Â
Just got struck integrating the density to get 1. Got something like $frac12int_0^inftyfracdz(zu^2+z+1)^3/2$ after substituting $z=v^2$ .
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 15:58
@RATNODEEPBAIN Well, I used software to verify that. Didn't do it myself.
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 16:01
Oh! Can you name the software.
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 17:15
@RATNODEEPBAIN wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 19:45
Just got struck integrating the density to get 1. Got something like $frac12int_0^inftyfracdz(zu^2+z+1)^3/2$ after substituting $z=v^2$ .
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 15:58
Just got struck integrating the density to get 1. Got something like $frac12int_0^inftyfracdz(zu^2+z+1)^3/2$ after substituting $z=v^2$ .
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 15:58
@RATNODEEPBAIN Well, I used software to verify that. Didn't do it myself.
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 16:01
@RATNODEEPBAIN Well, I used software to verify that. Didn't do it myself.
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 16:01
Oh! Can you name the software.
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 17:15
Oh! Can you name the software.
â RATNODEEP BAIN
Aug 19 at 17:15
@RATNODEEPBAIN wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â StubbornAtom
Aug 19 at 19:45
@RATNODEEPBAIN wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
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