Newton's Inequality's Equality case

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Definition of Newton's Inequalities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_inequalities



Everywhere I look it says equality holds iff all $a_1=...=a_n$, but let $n=3, a_1=0, a_2=0, a_3=1$, then $S_1=1/3, S_2=0, S_3=0$, then $S_1S_3=S_2^2$ equality holds.



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    Definition of Newton's Inequalities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_inequalities



    Everywhere I look it says equality holds iff all $a_1=...=a_n$, but let $n=3, a_1=0, a_2=0, a_3=1$, then $S_1=1/3, S_2=0, S_3=0$, then $S_1S_3=S_2^2$ equality holds.



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      Definition of Newton's Inequalities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_inequalities



      Everywhere I look it says equality holds iff all $a_1=...=a_n$, but let $n=3, a_1=0, a_2=0, a_3=1$, then $S_1=1/3, S_2=0, S_3=0$, then $S_1S_3=S_2^2$ equality holds.



      What really is the equality case of Newton's Inequality?







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      Definition of Newton's Inequalities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_inequalities



      Everywhere I look it says equality holds iff all $a_1=...=a_n$, but let $n=3, a_1=0, a_2=0, a_3=1$, then $S_1=1/3, S_2=0, S_3=0$, then $S_1S_3=S_2^2$ equality holds.



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          For positive numbers $a_i$ the equality occurs for $a_1=a_2=...=a_n$.



          It follows immediately from the proof.



          $a_i$ are roots of the equation $$(x-a_i)(x-a_2)...(x-x_n)=0$$ or
          $$x^n-binomn1S_1x^n-1+...+(-1)^nbinomnnS_n=0.$$
          Thus, the equation
          $$S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^n=0$$ has $n$ positive roots and by Rolle the equation
          $$left(S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^nright)'=0$$ or
          $$nS_nx^n-1-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x^n-2+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots, which says that the equation
          $$nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots and by Rolle again the equation
          $$left(nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1right)^(n-3)=0$$ or
          $$S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$$
          has two positive roots, which says that $S_2^2geq S_1S_3$.



          Now we see that the equality occurs, when two roots of the equation $S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$



          are equal, which says that all $a_i$ are equal.



          If $a_i$ can be $0$ than the equality occurs in another cases and this thing we can check directly.






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          • I think that there is a confusion in the notations, since $S_k$ stands here for the $k-$th elementary symmetric mean, and not the $k-$th elementary symmetric polynomial. I am wrong ?
            – Adren
            Aug 19 at 6:33










          • @Adren Thank you! I fixed.
            – Michael Rozenberg
            Aug 19 at 6:48










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          For positive numbers $a_i$ the equality occurs for $a_1=a_2=...=a_n$.



          It follows immediately from the proof.



          $a_i$ are roots of the equation $$(x-a_i)(x-a_2)...(x-x_n)=0$$ or
          $$x^n-binomn1S_1x^n-1+...+(-1)^nbinomnnS_n=0.$$
          Thus, the equation
          $$S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^n=0$$ has $n$ positive roots and by Rolle the equation
          $$left(S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^nright)'=0$$ or
          $$nS_nx^n-1-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x^n-2+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots, which says that the equation
          $$nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots and by Rolle again the equation
          $$left(nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1right)^(n-3)=0$$ or
          $$S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$$
          has two positive roots, which says that $S_2^2geq S_1S_3$.



          Now we see that the equality occurs, when two roots of the equation $S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$



          are equal, which says that all $a_i$ are equal.



          If $a_i$ can be $0$ than the equality occurs in another cases and this thing we can check directly.






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • I think that there is a confusion in the notations, since $S_k$ stands here for the $k-$th elementary symmetric mean, and not the $k-$th elementary symmetric polynomial. I am wrong ?
            – Adren
            Aug 19 at 6:33










          • @Adren Thank you! I fixed.
            – Michael Rozenberg
            Aug 19 at 6:48














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          1
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          For positive numbers $a_i$ the equality occurs for $a_1=a_2=...=a_n$.



          It follows immediately from the proof.



          $a_i$ are roots of the equation $$(x-a_i)(x-a_2)...(x-x_n)=0$$ or
          $$x^n-binomn1S_1x^n-1+...+(-1)^nbinomnnS_n=0.$$
          Thus, the equation
          $$S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^n=0$$ has $n$ positive roots and by Rolle the equation
          $$left(S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^nright)'=0$$ or
          $$nS_nx^n-1-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x^n-2+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots, which says that the equation
          $$nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots and by Rolle again the equation
          $$left(nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1right)^(n-3)=0$$ or
          $$S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$$
          has two positive roots, which says that $S_2^2geq S_1S_3$.



          Now we see that the equality occurs, when two roots of the equation $S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$



          are equal, which says that all $a_i$ are equal.



          If $a_i$ can be $0$ than the equality occurs in another cases and this thing we can check directly.






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • I think that there is a confusion in the notations, since $S_k$ stands here for the $k-$th elementary symmetric mean, and not the $k-$th elementary symmetric polynomial. I am wrong ?
            – Adren
            Aug 19 at 6:33










          • @Adren Thank you! I fixed.
            – Michael Rozenberg
            Aug 19 at 6:48












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          For positive numbers $a_i$ the equality occurs for $a_1=a_2=...=a_n$.



          It follows immediately from the proof.



          $a_i$ are roots of the equation $$(x-a_i)(x-a_2)...(x-x_n)=0$$ or
          $$x^n-binomn1S_1x^n-1+...+(-1)^nbinomnnS_n=0.$$
          Thus, the equation
          $$S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^n=0$$ has $n$ positive roots and by Rolle the equation
          $$left(S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^nright)'=0$$ or
          $$nS_nx^n-1-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x^n-2+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots, which says that the equation
          $$nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots and by Rolle again the equation
          $$left(nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1right)^(n-3)=0$$ or
          $$S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$$
          has two positive roots, which says that $S_2^2geq S_1S_3$.



          Now we see that the equality occurs, when two roots of the equation $S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$



          are equal, which says that all $a_i$ are equal.



          If $a_i$ can be $0$ than the equality occurs in another cases and this thing we can check directly.






          share|cite|improve this answer














          For positive numbers $a_i$ the equality occurs for $a_1=a_2=...=a_n$.



          It follows immediately from the proof.



          $a_i$ are roots of the equation $$(x-a_i)(x-a_2)...(x-x_n)=0$$ or
          $$x^n-binomn1S_1x^n-1+...+(-1)^nbinomnnS_n=0.$$
          Thus, the equation
          $$S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^n=0$$ has $n$ positive roots and by Rolle the equation
          $$left(S_nx^n-binomn1S_n-1x^n-1+...+binomnn(-1)^nright)'=0$$ or
          $$nS_nx^n-1-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x^n-2+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots, which says that the equation
          $$nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1=0$$
          has $n-1$ positive roots and by Rolle again the equation
          $$left(nS_n-(n-1)binomn1S_n-1x+...+(-1)^n-1binomnn-1S_1x^n-1right)^(n-3)=0$$ or
          $$S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$$
          has two positive roots, which says that $S_2^2geq S_1S_3$.



          Now we see that the equality occurs, when two roots of the equation $S_1x^2-2S_2x+S_3=0$



          are equal, which says that all $a_i$ are equal.



          If $a_i$ can be $0$ than the equality occurs in another cases and this thing we can check directly.







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          • I think that there is a confusion in the notations, since $S_k$ stands here for the $k-$th elementary symmetric mean, and not the $k-$th elementary symmetric polynomial. I am wrong ?
            – Adren
            Aug 19 at 6:33










          • @Adren Thank you! I fixed.
            – Michael Rozenberg
            Aug 19 at 6:48
















          • I think that there is a confusion in the notations, since $S_k$ stands here for the $k-$th elementary symmetric mean, and not the $k-$th elementary symmetric polynomial. I am wrong ?
            – Adren
            Aug 19 at 6:33










          • @Adren Thank you! I fixed.
            – Michael Rozenberg
            Aug 19 at 6:48















          I think that there is a confusion in the notations, since $S_k$ stands here for the $k-$th elementary symmetric mean, and not the $k-$th elementary symmetric polynomial. I am wrong ?
          – Adren
          Aug 19 at 6:33




          I think that there is a confusion in the notations, since $S_k$ stands here for the $k-$th elementary symmetric mean, and not the $k-$th elementary symmetric polynomial. I am wrong ?
          – Adren
          Aug 19 at 6:33












          @Adren Thank you! I fixed.
          – Michael Rozenberg
          Aug 19 at 6:48




          @Adren Thank you! I fixed.
          – Michael Rozenberg
          Aug 19 at 6:48












           

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