Rudin mathematical analysis chapter 4 exercise 6 solution

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Exercise 6, chapter 4 Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis":




If $f$ is defined on $E$, the graph of $f$ is the set of points $(x, f(x))$, for $x in E$. In particular, if $E$ is a set of real numbers, and $f$ is rea-valued, the graph of $f$ is a subset of the plane.



Suppose E is compact, and prove that f is continuous on E if and only if its graph is compact.




The following is my solution.



Let $g(x)=(x,f(x)):xin E$. For every $epsilon >0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that $d(g(x), g(p))=sqrt(x-p)^2+(f(x)-f(p))^2 < epsilon$ for all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<min(fracepsilonsqrt2, delta)$. For all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<delta$, we have $|f(x)-f(p)|<fracepsilonsqrt2$. We can surely find such $delta$ since $f$ is continuous. We can conclude that $g$ is continuous at $p$, and therefore $g(E)$, the graph is compact.



I would like to ask two questions:



  1. Is my solution to the forward part correct?

  2. How to prove the inverse part?

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    Hint: for reverse direction use sub-sequential compactness with limit definition of continuity.
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    Aug 12 at 3:01






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    I can understand the clue, but I find it really hard to prove it rigorously. If possible, would you please give me a detailed solution please? @RaymondChu
    – Tengerye
    Aug 12 at 14:40














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Exercise 6, chapter 4 Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis":




If $f$ is defined on $E$, the graph of $f$ is the set of points $(x, f(x))$, for $x in E$. In particular, if $E$ is a set of real numbers, and $f$ is rea-valued, the graph of $f$ is a subset of the plane.



Suppose E is compact, and prove that f is continuous on E if and only if its graph is compact.




The following is my solution.



Let $g(x)=(x,f(x)):xin E$. For every $epsilon >0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that $d(g(x), g(p))=sqrt(x-p)^2+(f(x)-f(p))^2 < epsilon$ for all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<min(fracepsilonsqrt2, delta)$. For all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<delta$, we have $|f(x)-f(p)|<fracepsilonsqrt2$. We can surely find such $delta$ since $f$ is continuous. We can conclude that $g$ is continuous at $p$, and therefore $g(E)$, the graph is compact.



I would like to ask two questions:



  1. Is my solution to the forward part correct?

  2. How to prove the inverse part?

Thank you in advance.







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    Hint: for reverse direction use sub-sequential compactness with limit definition of continuity.
    – Raymond Chu
    Aug 12 at 3:01






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    I can understand the clue, but I find it really hard to prove it rigorously. If possible, would you please give me a detailed solution please? @RaymondChu
    – Tengerye
    Aug 12 at 14:40












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Exercise 6, chapter 4 Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis":




If $f$ is defined on $E$, the graph of $f$ is the set of points $(x, f(x))$, for $x in E$. In particular, if $E$ is a set of real numbers, and $f$ is rea-valued, the graph of $f$ is a subset of the plane.



Suppose E is compact, and prove that f is continuous on E if and only if its graph is compact.




The following is my solution.



Let $g(x)=(x,f(x)):xin E$. For every $epsilon >0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that $d(g(x), g(p))=sqrt(x-p)^2+(f(x)-f(p))^2 < epsilon$ for all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<min(fracepsilonsqrt2, delta)$. For all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<delta$, we have $|f(x)-f(p)|<fracepsilonsqrt2$. We can surely find such $delta$ since $f$ is continuous. We can conclude that $g$ is continuous at $p$, and therefore $g(E)$, the graph is compact.



I would like to ask two questions:



  1. Is my solution to the forward part correct?

  2. How to prove the inverse part?

Thank you in advance.







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Exercise 6, chapter 4 Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis":




If $f$ is defined on $E$, the graph of $f$ is the set of points $(x, f(x))$, for $x in E$. In particular, if $E$ is a set of real numbers, and $f$ is rea-valued, the graph of $f$ is a subset of the plane.



Suppose E is compact, and prove that f is continuous on E if and only if its graph is compact.




The following is my solution.



Let $g(x)=(x,f(x)):xin E$. For every $epsilon >0$ there exists $delta > 0$ such that $d(g(x), g(p))=sqrt(x-p)^2+(f(x)-f(p))^2 < epsilon$ for all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<min(fracepsilonsqrt2, delta)$. For all points $x in E$ for which $|x-p|<delta$, we have $|f(x)-f(p)|<fracepsilonsqrt2$. We can surely find such $delta$ since $f$ is continuous. We can conclude that $g$ is continuous at $p$, and therefore $g(E)$, the graph is compact.



I would like to ask two questions:



  1. Is my solution to the forward part correct?

  2. How to prove the inverse part?

Thank you in advance.









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    Hint: for reverse direction use sub-sequential compactness with limit definition of continuity.
    – Raymond Chu
    Aug 12 at 3:01






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    I can understand the clue, but I find it really hard to prove it rigorously. If possible, would you please give me a detailed solution please? @RaymondChu
    – Tengerye
    Aug 12 at 14:40












  • 1




    Hint: for reverse direction use sub-sequential compactness with limit definition of continuity.
    – Raymond Chu
    Aug 12 at 3:01






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    I can understand the clue, but I find it really hard to prove it rigorously. If possible, would you please give me a detailed solution please? @RaymondChu
    – Tengerye
    Aug 12 at 14:40







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Hint: for reverse direction use sub-sequential compactness with limit definition of continuity.
– Raymond Chu
Aug 12 at 3:01




Hint: for reverse direction use sub-sequential compactness with limit definition of continuity.
– Raymond Chu
Aug 12 at 3:01




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I can understand the clue, but I find it really hard to prove it rigorously. If possible, would you please give me a detailed solution please? @RaymondChu
– Tengerye
Aug 12 at 14:40




I can understand the clue, but I find it really hard to prove it rigorously. If possible, would you please give me a detailed solution please? @RaymondChu
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Your proof in the forward direction looks fine. For the reverse, suppose that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous. Then we can find a sequence $x_n,f(x_n)$ so that $x_n$ converges to $x$ but $f(x_n)$ does not converge to $f(x)$. By compactness of $E$ we extract a convergent subsequence $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$. We know that $f(x_n_k)$ does not converge to $f(x)$, say it converges to some other value $y$. Then the point $(x,y)$ is the limit point of $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$ but is also not contained in $E$ a contradiction.






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    Thank you sincerely. However, I think there is a tiny flaw in your solution: $f$ is not continues at $x_1$, so $lim_x to x_1 f(x) neq f(x_1)$. In addition, because $E$ is compact, we can extract a convergent subsequence, but we can't ensure the subsequence converges to the point$(x_1, y)$, which has the same $x_1$, can we?
    – Tengerye
    Aug 12 at 6:20







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    We extract a convergent subsequence of $x_n, f(x_n)$. Since $x_n to x_1$ in your notation, we know that this is the same $x_1$.
    – Sheel Stueber
    Aug 12 at 16:14

















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For the reverse, assume that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous at $x_0 in E$. Therefore, $x_0$ is a limit point of $E$ (every function is continuous at isolated point). We can find a sequence $p_n$ in $E$ such that $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$ (Theorem 3.2(d)).



Construct a sequence $p_n, f(p_n) in g(E)$, (refer to the question). Because $g(x)=(x, f(x))$ is compact, by Theorem 3.6(a), we can find a subsequence $p_n_k, f(p_n_k)$ converges to $(x_1, y_1) in g(E)$. By Theorem 3.2(a), $(x_1, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



Obviously, $p_n_k$ is a subsequence of $p_n$, and $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$, so $lim_n_k to infty p_n_k = x_0$. In other words, $x_0=x_1$ and $(x_0, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



Furthermore, because $g(E) in R^2$ is compact, by Theorem 2.41, $g(E)$ is closed. Then the limit point $(x_0, y_1) in g(E)$. By definition of function, $y_1=f(x_0)$.



So far, we know $(x_0, f(x_0))$ is a limit point of $g(E)$, i.e., for any $epsilon > 0$, there is a neighborhood $N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0))$ such that $N_epsilon^* (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E) neq emptyset$. In other words, for any $epsilon > 0$, for all $x in g^-1(N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E))$, we have $|f(x)-f(x_0)|<epsilon$ (since $(x-x_0)^2+(f(x)-f(x_0))^2< epsilon ^2$). We can conclude $f$ is continuous at $x_0$ which contradicts our assumption.






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    Your proof in the forward direction looks fine. For the reverse, suppose that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous. Then we can find a sequence $x_n,f(x_n)$ so that $x_n$ converges to $x$ but $f(x_n)$ does not converge to $f(x)$. By compactness of $E$ we extract a convergent subsequence $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$. We know that $f(x_n_k)$ does not converge to $f(x)$, say it converges to some other value $y$. Then the point $(x,y)$ is the limit point of $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$ but is also not contained in $E$ a contradiction.






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      Thank you sincerely. However, I think there is a tiny flaw in your solution: $f$ is not continues at $x_1$, so $lim_x to x_1 f(x) neq f(x_1)$. In addition, because $E$ is compact, we can extract a convergent subsequence, but we can't ensure the subsequence converges to the point$(x_1, y)$, which has the same $x_1$, can we?
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      Aug 12 at 6:20







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      We extract a convergent subsequence of $x_n, f(x_n)$. Since $x_n to x_1$ in your notation, we know that this is the same $x_1$.
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    Your proof in the forward direction looks fine. For the reverse, suppose that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous. Then we can find a sequence $x_n,f(x_n)$ so that $x_n$ converges to $x$ but $f(x_n)$ does not converge to $f(x)$. By compactness of $E$ we extract a convergent subsequence $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$. We know that $f(x_n_k)$ does not converge to $f(x)$, say it converges to some other value $y$. Then the point $(x,y)$ is the limit point of $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$ but is also not contained in $E$ a contradiction.






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      Thank you sincerely. However, I think there is a tiny flaw in your solution: $f$ is not continues at $x_1$, so $lim_x to x_1 f(x) neq f(x_1)$. In addition, because $E$ is compact, we can extract a convergent subsequence, but we can't ensure the subsequence converges to the point$(x_1, y)$, which has the same $x_1$, can we?
      – Tengerye
      Aug 12 at 6:20







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      We extract a convergent subsequence of $x_n, f(x_n)$. Since $x_n to x_1$ in your notation, we know that this is the same $x_1$.
      – Sheel Stueber
      Aug 12 at 16:14












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    Your proof in the forward direction looks fine. For the reverse, suppose that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous. Then we can find a sequence $x_n,f(x_n)$ so that $x_n$ converges to $x$ but $f(x_n)$ does not converge to $f(x)$. By compactness of $E$ we extract a convergent subsequence $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$. We know that $f(x_n_k)$ does not converge to $f(x)$, say it converges to some other value $y$. Then the point $(x,y)$ is the limit point of $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$ but is also not contained in $E$ a contradiction.






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    Your proof in the forward direction looks fine. For the reverse, suppose that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous. Then we can find a sequence $x_n,f(x_n)$ so that $x_n$ converges to $x$ but $f(x_n)$ does not converge to $f(x)$. By compactness of $E$ we extract a convergent subsequence $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$. We know that $f(x_n_k)$ does not converge to $f(x)$, say it converges to some other value $y$. Then the point $(x,y)$ is the limit point of $x_n_k, f(x_n_k)$ but is also not contained in $E$ a contradiction.







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      Thank you sincerely. However, I think there is a tiny flaw in your solution: $f$ is not continues at $x_1$, so $lim_x to x_1 f(x) neq f(x_1)$. In addition, because $E$ is compact, we can extract a convergent subsequence, but we can't ensure the subsequence converges to the point$(x_1, y)$, which has the same $x_1$, can we?
      – Tengerye
      Aug 12 at 6:20







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      We extract a convergent subsequence of $x_n, f(x_n)$. Since $x_n to x_1$ in your notation, we know that this is the same $x_1$.
      – Sheel Stueber
      Aug 12 at 16:14












    • 1




      Thank you sincerely. However, I think there is a tiny flaw in your solution: $f$ is not continues at $x_1$, so $lim_x to x_1 f(x) neq f(x_1)$. In addition, because $E$ is compact, we can extract a convergent subsequence, but we can't ensure the subsequence converges to the point$(x_1, y)$, which has the same $x_1$, can we?
      – Tengerye
      Aug 12 at 6:20







    • 1




      We extract a convergent subsequence of $x_n, f(x_n)$. Since $x_n to x_1$ in your notation, we know that this is the same $x_1$.
      – Sheel Stueber
      Aug 12 at 16:14







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    Thank you sincerely. However, I think there is a tiny flaw in your solution: $f$ is not continues at $x_1$, so $lim_x to x_1 f(x) neq f(x_1)$. In addition, because $E$ is compact, we can extract a convergent subsequence, but we can't ensure the subsequence converges to the point$(x_1, y)$, which has the same $x_1$, can we?
    – Tengerye
    Aug 12 at 6:20





    Thank you sincerely. However, I think there is a tiny flaw in your solution: $f$ is not continues at $x_1$, so $lim_x to x_1 f(x) neq f(x_1)$. In addition, because $E$ is compact, we can extract a convergent subsequence, but we can't ensure the subsequence converges to the point$(x_1, y)$, which has the same $x_1$, can we?
    – Tengerye
    Aug 12 at 6:20





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    We extract a convergent subsequence of $x_n, f(x_n)$. Since $x_n to x_1$ in your notation, we know that this is the same $x_1$.
    – Sheel Stueber
    Aug 12 at 16:14




    We extract a convergent subsequence of $x_n, f(x_n)$. Since $x_n to x_1$ in your notation, we know that this is the same $x_1$.
    – Sheel Stueber
    Aug 12 at 16:14










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    For the reverse, assume that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous at $x_0 in E$. Therefore, $x_0$ is a limit point of $E$ (every function is continuous at isolated point). We can find a sequence $p_n$ in $E$ such that $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$ (Theorem 3.2(d)).



    Construct a sequence $p_n, f(p_n) in g(E)$, (refer to the question). Because $g(x)=(x, f(x))$ is compact, by Theorem 3.6(a), we can find a subsequence $p_n_k, f(p_n_k)$ converges to $(x_1, y_1) in g(E)$. By Theorem 3.2(a), $(x_1, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



    Obviously, $p_n_k$ is a subsequence of $p_n$, and $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$, so $lim_n_k to infty p_n_k = x_0$. In other words, $x_0=x_1$ and $(x_0, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



    Furthermore, because $g(E) in R^2$ is compact, by Theorem 2.41, $g(E)$ is closed. Then the limit point $(x_0, y_1) in g(E)$. By definition of function, $y_1=f(x_0)$.



    So far, we know $(x_0, f(x_0))$ is a limit point of $g(E)$, i.e., for any $epsilon > 0$, there is a neighborhood $N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0))$ such that $N_epsilon^* (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E) neq emptyset$. In other words, for any $epsilon > 0$, for all $x in g^-1(N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E))$, we have $|f(x)-f(x_0)|<epsilon$ (since $(x-x_0)^2+(f(x)-f(x_0))^2< epsilon ^2$). We can conclude $f$ is continuous at $x_0$ which contradicts our assumption.






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      For the reverse, assume that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous at $x_0 in E$. Therefore, $x_0$ is a limit point of $E$ (every function is continuous at isolated point). We can find a sequence $p_n$ in $E$ such that $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$ (Theorem 3.2(d)).



      Construct a sequence $p_n, f(p_n) in g(E)$, (refer to the question). Because $g(x)=(x, f(x))$ is compact, by Theorem 3.6(a), we can find a subsequence $p_n_k, f(p_n_k)$ converges to $(x_1, y_1) in g(E)$. By Theorem 3.2(a), $(x_1, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



      Obviously, $p_n_k$ is a subsequence of $p_n$, and $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$, so $lim_n_k to infty p_n_k = x_0$. In other words, $x_0=x_1$ and $(x_0, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



      Furthermore, because $g(E) in R^2$ is compact, by Theorem 2.41, $g(E)$ is closed. Then the limit point $(x_0, y_1) in g(E)$. By definition of function, $y_1=f(x_0)$.



      So far, we know $(x_0, f(x_0))$ is a limit point of $g(E)$, i.e., for any $epsilon > 0$, there is a neighborhood $N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0))$ such that $N_epsilon^* (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E) neq emptyset$. In other words, for any $epsilon > 0$, for all $x in g^-1(N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E))$, we have $|f(x)-f(x_0)|<epsilon$ (since $(x-x_0)^2+(f(x)-f(x_0))^2< epsilon ^2$). We can conclude $f$ is continuous at $x_0$ which contradicts our assumption.






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        For the reverse, assume that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous at $x_0 in E$. Therefore, $x_0$ is a limit point of $E$ (every function is continuous at isolated point). We can find a sequence $p_n$ in $E$ such that $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$ (Theorem 3.2(d)).



        Construct a sequence $p_n, f(p_n) in g(E)$, (refer to the question). Because $g(x)=(x, f(x))$ is compact, by Theorem 3.6(a), we can find a subsequence $p_n_k, f(p_n_k)$ converges to $(x_1, y_1) in g(E)$. By Theorem 3.2(a), $(x_1, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



        Obviously, $p_n_k$ is a subsequence of $p_n$, and $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$, so $lim_n_k to infty p_n_k = x_0$. In other words, $x_0=x_1$ and $(x_0, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



        Furthermore, because $g(E) in R^2$ is compact, by Theorem 2.41, $g(E)$ is closed. Then the limit point $(x_0, y_1) in g(E)$. By definition of function, $y_1=f(x_0)$.



        So far, we know $(x_0, f(x_0))$ is a limit point of $g(E)$, i.e., for any $epsilon > 0$, there is a neighborhood $N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0))$ such that $N_epsilon^* (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E) neq emptyset$. In other words, for any $epsilon > 0$, for all $x in g^-1(N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E))$, we have $|f(x)-f(x_0)|<epsilon$ (since $(x-x_0)^2+(f(x)-f(x_0))^2< epsilon ^2$). We can conclude $f$ is continuous at $x_0$ which contradicts our assumption.






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        Try to add details to the answers of @Sheel Stueber.



        For the reverse, assume that $E$ is compact but $f$ is not continuous at $x_0 in E$. Therefore, $x_0$ is a limit point of $E$ (every function is continuous at isolated point). We can find a sequence $p_n$ in $E$ such that $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$ (Theorem 3.2(d)).



        Construct a sequence $p_n, f(p_n) in g(E)$, (refer to the question). Because $g(x)=(x, f(x))$ is compact, by Theorem 3.6(a), we can find a subsequence $p_n_k, f(p_n_k)$ converges to $(x_1, y_1) in g(E)$. By Theorem 3.2(a), $(x_1, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



        Obviously, $p_n_k$ is a subsequence of $p_n$, and $lim_n to infty p_n = x_0$, so $lim_n_k to infty p_n_k = x_0$. In other words, $x_0=x_1$ and $(x_0, y_1)$ is a limit point of $g(E)$.



        Furthermore, because $g(E) in R^2$ is compact, by Theorem 2.41, $g(E)$ is closed. Then the limit point $(x_0, y_1) in g(E)$. By definition of function, $y_1=f(x_0)$.



        So far, we know $(x_0, f(x_0))$ is a limit point of $g(E)$, i.e., for any $epsilon > 0$, there is a neighborhood $N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0))$ such that $N_epsilon^* (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E) neq emptyset$. In other words, for any $epsilon > 0$, for all $x in g^-1(N_epsilon (x_0, f(x_0)) cap g(E))$, we have $|f(x)-f(x_0)|<epsilon$ (since $(x-x_0)^2+(f(x)-f(x_0))^2< epsilon ^2$). We can conclude $f$ is continuous at $x_0$ which contradicts our assumption.







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