How to prove âIf $R$ is transitive, then $R^n$ is transitive.â?
Clash Royale CLAN TAG#URR8PPP
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
I used mathematical induction:
Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.
Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....
I don't know how to continue.
algebra-precalculus discrete-mathematics relations
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
I used mathematical induction:
Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.
Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....
I don't know how to continue.
algebra-precalculus discrete-mathematics relations
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
up vote
2
down vote
favorite
I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
I used mathematical induction:
Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.
Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....
I don't know how to continue.
algebra-precalculus discrete-mathematics relations
I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
I used mathematical induction:
Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.
Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....
I don't know how to continue.
algebra-precalculus discrete-mathematics relations
edited Sep 22 '13 at 12:16
Dutta
3,64042040
3,64042040
asked Sep 22 '13 at 11:40
twoyoung
4016
4016
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:
If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.
By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.
I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
â twoyoung
Sep 23 '13 at 4:13
It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
â tarit goswami
Aug 12 at 5:41
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
The left part is :
if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1
if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.
Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.
Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that
if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2
What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3
By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1
And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2
In conclusion,
if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2
=> if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive
=> $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1
#
So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so
$$beginalign
(a, x)&in S\
(x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign$$
and
$$beginalign
(b, y)&in S\
(y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign,$$
now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition
$$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$
which should complete the induction part of the proof.
add a comment |Â
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
up vote
1
down vote
In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:
If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.
By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.
I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
â twoyoung
Sep 23 '13 at 4:13
It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
â tarit goswami
Aug 12 at 5:41
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:
If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.
By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.
I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
â twoyoung
Sep 23 '13 at 4:13
It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
â tarit goswami
Aug 12 at 5:41
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:
If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.
By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.
In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:
If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.
By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.
answered Sep 22 '13 at 11:47
Martin Brandenburg
105k13150318
105k13150318
I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
â twoyoung
Sep 23 '13 at 4:13
It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
â tarit goswami
Aug 12 at 5:41
add a comment |Â
I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
â twoyoung
Sep 23 '13 at 4:13
It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
â tarit goswami
Aug 12 at 5:41
I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
â twoyoung
Sep 23 '13 at 4:13
I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
â twoyoung
Sep 23 '13 at 4:13
It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
â tarit goswami
Aug 12 at 5:41
It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
â tarit goswami
Aug 12 at 5:41
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
The left part is :
if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1
if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.
Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.
Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that
if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2
What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3
By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1
And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2
In conclusion,
if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2
=> if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive
=> $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1
#
So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
The left part is :
if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1
if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.
Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.
Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that
if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2
What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3
By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1
And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2
In conclusion,
if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2
=> if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive
=> $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1
#
So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
The left part is :
if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1
if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.
Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.
Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that
if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2
What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3
By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1
And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2
In conclusion,
if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2
=> if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive
=> $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1
#
So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.
The left part is :
if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1
if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.
Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.
Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that
if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2
What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3
By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1
And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2
In conclusion,
if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1
=> if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2
=> if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive
=> $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1
#
So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.
answered Mar 17 '16 at 8:55
Mark
164
164
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so
$$beginalign
(a, x)&in S\
(x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign$$
and
$$beginalign
(b, y)&in S\
(y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign,$$
now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition
$$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$
which should complete the induction part of the proof.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so
$$beginalign
(a, x)&in S\
(x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign$$
and
$$beginalign
(b, y)&in S\
(y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign,$$
now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition
$$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$
which should complete the induction part of the proof.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
down vote
We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so
$$beginalign
(a, x)&in S\
(x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign$$
and
$$beginalign
(b, y)&in S\
(y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign,$$
now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition
$$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$
which should complete the induction part of the proof.
We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$
Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so
$$beginalign
(a, x)&in S\
(x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign$$
and
$$beginalign
(b, y)&in S\
(y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
endalign,$$
now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition
$$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$
which should complete the induction part of the proof.
edited Jul 3 at 14:53
answered Jul 3 at 14:36
Nong
1,1521520
1,1521520
add a comment |Â
add a comment |Â
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f501147%2fhow-to-prove-if-r-is-transitive-then-rn-is-transitive%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password