How to prove “If $R$ is transitive, then $R^n$ is transitive.”?

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I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
I used mathematical induction:



Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.



Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....



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    I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
    I used mathematical induction:



    Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.



    Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....



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      I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
      I used mathematical induction:



      Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.



      Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....



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      I can understand $R^n$ is $R$'s subset, but I can't understand why $R^n$ is transitive,too.
      I used mathematical induction:



      Basis step: Let $n = 2$. If $a R^2 b$, $b R^2 c$, I need to prove $a R^2 c$. Because $a R^2 b$, it follows that there exists $x in A$ (assume $R$ is a relation on $A$) such that $a R x$ and $x R b$. From $R$'s transitivity we can get $a R b$. WLOF, we can get $b R c$. By relation's composition, $a R^2 c$ holds.



      Inductive step: Assume $R^n$ is transitive, I need to prove $R^(n+1)$ is also transitive. That is, I need to prove if $a R^(n+1) b$ and $b R^(n+1) c$, then $a R^(n+1) c$. If $a R^(n+1) b$, then there exists $x$ such that $a R x$ and $x R^n b$. If $b R^(n+1) c$, then there exists $y$ such that $b R y$ and $y R^n c$.....



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          In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:



          If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.



          By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.






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          • I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
            – twoyoung
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          • It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
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          The left part is :
          if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1



          if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.



          Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.



          Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that



          if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2



          What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3



          By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1



          And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2



          In conclusion,



          if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$



          => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1



          => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2



          => if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive



          => $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1



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          So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.






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            We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$

            To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$



            Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so



            $$beginalign
            (a, x)&in S\
            (x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
            endalign$$



            and



            $$beginalign
            (b, y)&in S\
            (y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
            endalign,$$



            now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition



            $$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$



            which should complete the induction part of the proof.






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              In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:



              If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.



              By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.






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              • I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
                – twoyoung
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              • It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
                – tarit goswami
                Aug 12 at 5:41














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              In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:



              If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.



              By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.






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              • I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
                – twoyoung
                Sep 23 '13 at 4:13










              • It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
                – tarit goswami
                Aug 12 at 5:41












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              In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:



              If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.



              By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.






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              In general, $R$ is transitive iff $R circ R subseteq R$. From this you can prove directly:



              If $R,S$ are transitive relations on the same set which commute ($R circ S = S circ R$), then $R circ S$ is transitive.



              By induction, if $R_1,dotsc,R_n$ are pairwise commuting transitive relations, then $R_1 circ dotsc circ R_n$ is also transitive.







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              • I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
                – twoyoung
                Sep 23 '13 at 4:13










              • It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
                – tarit goswami
                Aug 12 at 5:41
















              • I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
                – twoyoung
                Sep 23 '13 at 4:13










              • It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
                – tarit goswami
                Aug 12 at 5:41















              I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
              – twoyoung
              Sep 23 '13 at 4:13




              I'm not very clear about "If R,S are transitive relations on the set which commute(R S=S R), then R S is transitive.Can you explain it more specifically? Is this a theorem?
              – twoyoung
              Sep 23 '13 at 4:13












              It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
              – tarit goswami
              Aug 12 at 5:41




              It is direct from the definitions of relation and etc.
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              The left part is :
              if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1



              if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.



              Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.



              Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that



              if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2



              What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3



              By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1



              And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2



              In conclusion,



              if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$



              => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1



              => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2



              => if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive



              => $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1



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              So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.






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                The left part is :
                if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1



                if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.



                Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.



                Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that



                if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2



                What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3



                By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1



                And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2



                In conclusion,



                if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$



                => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1



                => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2



                => if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive



                => $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1



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                So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.






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                  The left part is :
                  if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1



                  if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.



                  Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.



                  Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that



                  if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2



                  What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3



                  By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1



                  And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2



                  In conclusion,



                  if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$



                  => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1



                  => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2



                  => if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive



                  => $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1



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                  So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.






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                  The left part is :
                  if $(a,b) in R $ and $(b,c) in R => (a,c) in R. $ ---1.1



                  if n = 1, then $R^n = R^1$ is transitive.



                  Assume $R^n$ is transitive, we want to prove $R^n + 1$ is transitive.



                  Because $R^n$ is transitive, we can know that



                  if $(a,b) in R^n $ and $(b,c) in R^n => (a,c) in R^n$ . --- 1.2



                  What we want is if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1 => (a,c) in R^n+1$ . ---1.3



                  By definition, $R^n+1 = R^n circ R$ --- 2.1



                  And if R is transitive, then $R^n subseteq R$. --- 2.2



                  In conclusion,



                  if $(a,b) in R^n+1 $ and $(b,c) in R^n+1$



                  => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R^n$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.1



                  => if $(a,m1) in R $ and $(m1,b) in R$ and $(b,m2) in R$ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ //use 2.2



                  => if $(a,m2) in R $ and $(m2,c) in R^n$ // R is transitive



                  => $ (a,c) in R^n+1 $ // use 2.1



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                  So combine 1.1 and 1.2 we can prove 1.3.







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                      We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$

                      To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$



                      Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so



                      $$beginalign
                      (a, x)&in S\
                      (x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
                      endalign$$



                      and



                      $$beginalign
                      (b, y)&in S\
                      (y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
                      endalign,$$



                      now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition



                      $$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$



                      which should complete the induction part of the proof.






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                        We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$

                        To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$



                        Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so



                        $$beginalign
                        (a, x)&in S\
                        (x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
                        endalign$$



                        and



                        $$beginalign
                        (b, y)&in S\
                        (y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
                        endalign,$$



                        now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition



                        $$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$



                        which should complete the induction part of the proof.






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                          We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$

                          To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$



                          Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so



                          $$beginalign
                          (a, x)&in S\
                          (x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
                          endalign$$



                          and



                          $$beginalign
                          (b, y)&in S\
                          (y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
                          endalign,$$



                          now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition



                          $$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$



                          which should complete the induction part of the proof.






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                          We know: $R$ is transitive iff $R^nsubseteq R$ for $n=1,2,3,dots.$

                          To prove: If $S$ is transitive, $S^n$ is also transitive for $n=1,2,3,dots.$



                          Say $S$ is a relation on $A$. Suppose $S^n$ is transitive for some $nge1$. Let $(a,b), (b,c)$ both in $ S^n+1$ and $x,yin A$, so



                          $$beginalign
                          (a, x)&in S\
                          (x, b)&in S^nsubseteq S
                          endalign$$



                          and



                          $$beginalign
                          (b, y)&in S\
                          (y, c)&in S^nsubseteq S
                          endalign,$$



                          now since $(a,x),(x,b),(b,y)$ are in $S,$ $(a,y)in S,$ so by definition



                          $$(a,c)in S^n+1,$$



                          which should complete the induction part of the proof.







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