Why do the (nonzero) vectors $x,y, x-y$ form a triangle? (can assume $mathbbR^2$)

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Let $x,y$ be any two nonzero vectors in $mathbbR^2$ that are not scalar multiplies of eachother (i.e. are not linearly dependent), and $x-y$ be their difference.
I am wondering why these three vectors, $x,y,x-y$, always form a triangle (subject to repositioning).
I get that it is likely just from the definition of the difference between two vectors, but I don't see how it follows from the definition
I am looking more for a formal proof than intuition.
Edit: By "Form a triangle" I mean that if you draw $x$ and $y$ as starting at the same point, and draw $x-y$ as starting at the tip of $y$, the resulting picture will be a triangle.
For an example see the third picture here
I.e., why is the length of $x-y$ sufficient so that $x-y$, when placed at the tip of $y$, goes from the tip of $x$ to the tip of $y$ (when $x$ and $y$ originate at the same point). How do we know (formally) that there is no "gap"?
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Let $x,y$ be any two nonzero vectors in $mathbbR^2$ that are not scalar multiplies of eachother (i.e. are not linearly dependent), and $x-y$ be their difference.
I am wondering why these three vectors, $x,y,x-y$, always form a triangle (subject to repositioning).
I get that it is likely just from the definition of the difference between two vectors, but I don't see how it follows from the definition
I am looking more for a formal proof than intuition.
Edit: By "Form a triangle" I mean that if you draw $x$ and $y$ as starting at the same point, and draw $x-y$ as starting at the tip of $y$, the resulting picture will be a triangle.
For an example see the third picture here
I.e., why is the length of $x-y$ sufficient so that $x-y$, when placed at the tip of $y$, goes from the tip of $x$ to the tip of $y$ (when $x$ and $y$ originate at the same point). How do we know (formally) that there is no "gap"?
vectors visualization
Which three vectors? Aren't they all colinear (or $bf0$)?
â David G. Stork
Aug 31 at 0:40
@DavidG.Stork Edited to make more clear
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:41
What if $x=y=0$?
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:41
@amsmath Assume they are all nonzero. and that they are not parallel
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:42
What do you get when you add $x-y$ to $y$? What does this look like when you place these vectors head-to-tail?
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Aug 31 at 0:58
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Let $x,y$ be any two nonzero vectors in $mathbbR^2$ that are not scalar multiplies of eachother (i.e. are not linearly dependent), and $x-y$ be their difference.
I am wondering why these three vectors, $x,y,x-y$, always form a triangle (subject to repositioning).
I get that it is likely just from the definition of the difference between two vectors, but I don't see how it follows from the definition
I am looking more for a formal proof than intuition.
Edit: By "Form a triangle" I mean that if you draw $x$ and $y$ as starting at the same point, and draw $x-y$ as starting at the tip of $y$, the resulting picture will be a triangle.
For an example see the third picture here
I.e., why is the length of $x-y$ sufficient so that $x-y$, when placed at the tip of $y$, goes from the tip of $x$ to the tip of $y$ (when $x$ and $y$ originate at the same point). How do we know (formally) that there is no "gap"?
vectors visualization
Let $x,y$ be any two nonzero vectors in $mathbbR^2$ that are not scalar multiplies of eachother (i.e. are not linearly dependent), and $x-y$ be their difference.
I am wondering why these three vectors, $x,y,x-y$, always form a triangle (subject to repositioning).
I get that it is likely just from the definition of the difference between two vectors, but I don't see how it follows from the definition
I am looking more for a formal proof than intuition.
Edit: By "Form a triangle" I mean that if you draw $x$ and $y$ as starting at the same point, and draw $x-y$ as starting at the tip of $y$, the resulting picture will be a triangle.
For an example see the third picture here
I.e., why is the length of $x-y$ sufficient so that $x-y$, when placed at the tip of $y$, goes from the tip of $x$ to the tip of $y$ (when $x$ and $y$ originate at the same point). How do we know (formally) that there is no "gap"?
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Which three vectors? Aren't they all colinear (or $bf0$)?
â David G. Stork
Aug 31 at 0:40
@DavidG.Stork Edited to make more clear
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:41
What if $x=y=0$?
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:41
@amsmath Assume they are all nonzero. and that they are not parallel
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:42
What do you get when you add $x-y$ to $y$? What does this look like when you place these vectors head-to-tail?
â amd
Aug 31 at 0:58
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Which three vectors? Aren't they all colinear (or $bf0$)?
â David G. Stork
Aug 31 at 0:40
@DavidG.Stork Edited to make more clear
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:41
What if $x=y=0$?
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:41
@amsmath Assume they are all nonzero. and that they are not parallel
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:42
What do you get when you add $x-y$ to $y$? What does this look like when you place these vectors head-to-tail?
â amd
Aug 31 at 0:58
Which three vectors? Aren't they all colinear (or $bf0$)?
â David G. Stork
Aug 31 at 0:40
Which three vectors? Aren't they all colinear (or $bf0$)?
â David G. Stork
Aug 31 at 0:40
@DavidG.Stork Edited to make more clear
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:41
@DavidG.Stork Edited to make more clear
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:41
What if $x=y=0$?
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:41
What if $x=y=0$?
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:41
@amsmath Assume they are all nonzero. and that they are not parallel
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:42
@amsmath Assume they are all nonzero. and that they are not parallel
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:42
What do you get when you add $x-y$ to $y$? What does this look like when you place these vectors head-to-tail?
â amd
Aug 31 at 0:58
What do you get when you add $x-y$ to $y$? What does this look like when you place these vectors head-to-tail?
â amd
Aug 31 at 0:58
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In order for three linearly independent vectors $A,B,C $to form a triangle we need to have $A+B+C=0$
Thus $A,B,-A-B$ form a triangle if $A$ and $B$ are independent.
The result could be easily generalized to a polygon.
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If you put the vector $x-y$ at the end of $y$ the resulting displacement is $y+(x-y)=x$ This is why they form a triangle.
??? Of course they form a triangle...
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:46
If you reposition $x-y$ so that it begins at the tip of $y$ then they would form a triangle
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:47
@user106860 Maybe you should define what you mean by "form a triangle". I understand it as "the points form a triangle". Then in the example above no repositioning is needed. They form a triangle.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:49
I think the phrasing of the question means to treat each vector as a line segment from the origin and then do a translation of the line segment represented by $x-y$ such that the three line segments form the edges of a triangle.
â JessicaK
Aug 31 at 0:52
@JessicaK Yes, OP edited his question accordingly.
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Sometimes it takes a picture:

By the paralellogram rule for vector addition, $overrightarrowOD$ is $x-y$. It should be clear that $triangleAOB cong triangleOAD$ and that $AB parallel OD$ so $x-y$ indeed âÂÂfills the gap.âÂÂ
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
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down vote
accepted
In order for three linearly independent vectors $A,B,C $to form a triangle we need to have $A+B+C=0$
Thus $A,B,-A-B$ form a triangle if $A$ and $B$ are independent.
The result could be easily generalized to a polygon.
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In order for three linearly independent vectors $A,B,C $to form a triangle we need to have $A+B+C=0$
Thus $A,B,-A-B$ form a triangle if $A$ and $B$ are independent.
The result could be easily generalized to a polygon.
add a comment |Â
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1
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up vote
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In order for three linearly independent vectors $A,B,C $to form a triangle we need to have $A+B+C=0$
Thus $A,B,-A-B$ form a triangle if $A$ and $B$ are independent.
The result could be easily generalized to a polygon.
In order for three linearly independent vectors $A,B,C $to form a triangle we need to have $A+B+C=0$
Thus $A,B,-A-B$ form a triangle if $A$ and $B$ are independent.
The result could be easily generalized to a polygon.
edited Aug 31 at 13:18
answered Aug 31 at 0:58
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If you put the vector $x-y$ at the end of $y$ the resulting displacement is $y+(x-y)=x$ This is why they form a triangle.
??? Of course they form a triangle...
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:46
If you reposition $x-y$ so that it begins at the tip of $y$ then they would form a triangle
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:47
@user106860 Maybe you should define what you mean by "form a triangle". I understand it as "the points form a triangle". Then in the example above no repositioning is needed. They form a triangle.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:49
I think the phrasing of the question means to treat each vector as a line segment from the origin and then do a translation of the line segment represented by $x-y$ such that the three line segments form the edges of a triangle.
â JessicaK
Aug 31 at 0:52
@JessicaK Yes, OP edited his question accordingly.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:54
 |Â
show 1 more comment
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1
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If you put the vector $x-y$ at the end of $y$ the resulting displacement is $y+(x-y)=x$ This is why they form a triangle.
??? Of course they form a triangle...
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:46
If you reposition $x-y$ so that it begins at the tip of $y$ then they would form a triangle
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:47
@user106860 Maybe you should define what you mean by "form a triangle". I understand it as "the points form a triangle". Then in the example above no repositioning is needed. They form a triangle.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:49
I think the phrasing of the question means to treat each vector as a line segment from the origin and then do a translation of the line segment represented by $x-y$ such that the three line segments form the edges of a triangle.
â JessicaK
Aug 31 at 0:52
@JessicaK Yes, OP edited his question accordingly.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:54
 |Â
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If you put the vector $x-y$ at the end of $y$ the resulting displacement is $y+(x-y)=x$ This is why they form a triangle.
If you put the vector $x-y$ at the end of $y$ the resulting displacement is $y+(x-y)=x$ This is why they form a triangle.
edited Aug 31 at 1:08
answered Aug 31 at 0:44
Ross Millikan
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??? Of course they form a triangle...
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:46
If you reposition $x-y$ so that it begins at the tip of $y$ then they would form a triangle
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:47
@user106860 Maybe you should define what you mean by "form a triangle". I understand it as "the points form a triangle". Then in the example above no repositioning is needed. They form a triangle.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:49
I think the phrasing of the question means to treat each vector as a line segment from the origin and then do a translation of the line segment represented by $x-y$ such that the three line segments form the edges of a triangle.
â JessicaK
Aug 31 at 0:52
@JessicaK Yes, OP edited his question accordingly.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:54
 |Â
show 1 more comment
??? Of course they form a triangle...
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:46
If you reposition $x-y$ so that it begins at the tip of $y$ then they would form a triangle
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:47
@user106860 Maybe you should define what you mean by "form a triangle". I understand it as "the points form a triangle". Then in the example above no repositioning is needed. They form a triangle.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:49
I think the phrasing of the question means to treat each vector as a line segment from the origin and then do a translation of the line segment represented by $x-y$ such that the three line segments form the edges of a triangle.
â JessicaK
Aug 31 at 0:52
@JessicaK Yes, OP edited his question accordingly.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:54
??? Of course they form a triangle...
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:46
??? Of course they form a triangle...
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:46
If you reposition $x-y$ so that it begins at the tip of $y$ then they would form a triangle
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:47
If you reposition $x-y$ so that it begins at the tip of $y$ then they would form a triangle
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:47
@user106860 Maybe you should define what you mean by "form a triangle". I understand it as "the points form a triangle". Then in the example above no repositioning is needed. They form a triangle.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:49
@user106860 Maybe you should define what you mean by "form a triangle". I understand it as "the points form a triangle". Then in the example above no repositioning is needed. They form a triangle.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:49
I think the phrasing of the question means to treat each vector as a line segment from the origin and then do a translation of the line segment represented by $x-y$ such that the three line segments form the edges of a triangle.
â JessicaK
Aug 31 at 0:52
I think the phrasing of the question means to treat each vector as a line segment from the origin and then do a translation of the line segment represented by $x-y$ such that the three line segments form the edges of a triangle.
â JessicaK
Aug 31 at 0:52
@JessicaK Yes, OP edited his question accordingly.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:54
@JessicaK Yes, OP edited his question accordingly.
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:54
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Sometimes it takes a picture:

By the paralellogram rule for vector addition, $overrightarrowOD$ is $x-y$. It should be clear that $triangleAOB cong triangleOAD$ and that $AB parallel OD$ so $x-y$ indeed âÂÂfills the gap.âÂÂ
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Sometimes it takes a picture:

By the paralellogram rule for vector addition, $overrightarrowOD$ is $x-y$. It should be clear that $triangleAOB cong triangleOAD$ and that $AB parallel OD$ so $x-y$ indeed âÂÂfills the gap.âÂÂ
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Sometimes it takes a picture:

By the paralellogram rule for vector addition, $overrightarrowOD$ is $x-y$. It should be clear that $triangleAOB cong triangleOAD$ and that $AB parallel OD$ so $x-y$ indeed âÂÂfills the gap.âÂÂ
Sometimes it takes a picture:

By the paralellogram rule for vector addition, $overrightarrowOD$ is $x-y$. It should be clear that $triangleAOB cong triangleOAD$ and that $AB parallel OD$ so $x-y$ indeed âÂÂfills the gap.âÂÂ
edited Aug 31 at 23:16
answered Aug 31 at 2:07
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Which three vectors? Aren't they all colinear (or $bf0$)?
â David G. Stork
Aug 31 at 0:40
@DavidG.Stork Edited to make more clear
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:41
What if $x=y=0$?
â amsmath
Aug 31 at 0:41
@amsmath Assume they are all nonzero. and that they are not parallel
â user106860
Aug 31 at 0:42
What do you get when you add $x-y$ to $y$? What does this look like when you place these vectors head-to-tail?
â amd
Aug 31 at 0:58