Does the US spend more public money (i.e. tax/capita) on Health Care than other developed countries?

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The author John Green on a YouTube post Why are American Health Care costs so high? makes the (referenced) claim that US public health expenditure per capita, is higher than most other developed countries - even where those countries then provide free healthcare.



Wittily put as:




First I have to blow your mind. [...] That's right Hank: you pay more in taxes for healthcare than you would if you were British, and in exchange for those taxes, you get no healthcare.




A second source is here referenced in the video: Issues in International Health Policy



The situation may have changed of course since the video was published in 2013.



[As an addendum, the above reference, states that healthcare outcomes are not significantly better or worse in the US.]










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    Not responding to your question, but I find this remarkable nonetheless: Health insurances for expats or travelers have typically two options: "Worldwide" or "Worldwide, excluding the USA". Examples: axaglobalhealthcare.com/en/international-health-insurance/… Page7 of allianzworldwidecare.com/v_1527064221731/en/docs/… hthtravelinsurance.com/2_travelgap/faqs_exc.cfm#10 And many more. So it seems that US healthcare is significantly more expensive to travelers/foreigners than that of most other countries.
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The author John Green on a YouTube post Why are American Health Care costs so high? makes the (referenced) claim that US public health expenditure per capita, is higher than most other developed countries - even where those countries then provide free healthcare.



Wittily put as:




First I have to blow your mind. [...] That's right Hank: you pay more in taxes for healthcare than you would if you were British, and in exchange for those taxes, you get no healthcare.




A second source is here referenced in the video: Issues in International Health Policy



The situation may have changed of course since the video was published in 2013.



[As an addendum, the above reference, states that healthcare outcomes are not significantly better or worse in the US.]










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    Not responding to your question, but I find this remarkable nonetheless: Health insurances for expats or travelers have typically two options: "Worldwide" or "Worldwide, excluding the USA". Examples: axaglobalhealthcare.com/en/international-health-insurance/… Page7 of allianzworldwidecare.com/v_1527064221731/en/docs/… hthtravelinsurance.com/2_travelgap/faqs_exc.cfm#10 And many more. So it seems that US healthcare is significantly more expensive to travelers/foreigners than that of most other countries.
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The author John Green on a YouTube post Why are American Health Care costs so high? makes the (referenced) claim that US public health expenditure per capita, is higher than most other developed countries - even where those countries then provide free healthcare.



Wittily put as:




First I have to blow your mind. [...] That's right Hank: you pay more in taxes for healthcare than you would if you were British, and in exchange for those taxes, you get no healthcare.




A second source is here referenced in the video: Issues in International Health Policy



The situation may have changed of course since the video was published in 2013.



[As an addendum, the above reference, states that healthcare outcomes are not significantly better or worse in the US.]










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The author John Green on a YouTube post Why are American Health Care costs so high? makes the (referenced) claim that US public health expenditure per capita, is higher than most other developed countries - even where those countries then provide free healthcare.



Wittily put as:




First I have to blow your mind. [...] That's right Hank: you pay more in taxes for healthcare than you would if you were British, and in exchange for those taxes, you get no healthcare.




A second source is here referenced in the video: Issues in International Health Policy



The situation may have changed of course since the video was published in 2013.



[As an addendum, the above reference, states that healthcare outcomes are not significantly better or worse in the US.]







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    Not responding to your question, but I find this remarkable nonetheless: Health insurances for expats or travelers have typically two options: "Worldwide" or "Worldwide, excluding the USA". Examples: axaglobalhealthcare.com/en/international-health-insurance/… Page7 of allianzworldwidecare.com/v_1527064221731/en/docs/… hthtravelinsurance.com/2_travelgap/faqs_exc.cfm#10 And many more. So it seems that US healthcare is significantly more expensive to travelers/foreigners than that of most other countries.
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    Not responding to your question, but I find this remarkable nonetheless: Health insurances for expats or travelers have typically two options: "Worldwide" or "Worldwide, excluding the USA". Examples: axaglobalhealthcare.com/en/international-health-insurance/… Page7 of allianzworldwidecare.com/v_1527064221731/en/docs/… hthtravelinsurance.com/2_travelgap/faqs_exc.cfm#10 And many more. So it seems that US healthcare is significantly more expensive to travelers/foreigners than that of most other countries.
    – KlausN
    Sep 6 at 12:53








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Not responding to your question, but I find this remarkable nonetheless: Health insurances for expats or travelers have typically two options: "Worldwide" or "Worldwide, excluding the USA". Examples: axaglobalhealthcare.com/en/international-health-insurance/… Page7 of allianzworldwidecare.com/v_1527064221731/en/docs/… hthtravelinsurance.com/2_travelgap/faqs_exc.cfm#10 And many more. So it seems that US healthcare is significantly more expensive to travelers/foreigners than that of most other countries.
– KlausN
Sep 6 at 12:53





Not responding to your question, but I find this remarkable nonetheless: Health insurances for expats or travelers have typically two options: "Worldwide" or "Worldwide, excluding the USA". Examples: axaglobalhealthcare.com/en/international-health-insurance/… Page7 of allianzworldwidecare.com/v_1527064221731/en/docs/… hthtravelinsurance.com/2_travelgap/faqs_exc.cfm#10 And many more. So it seems that US healthcare is significantly more expensive to travelers/foreigners than that of most other countries.
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Based on data published by the OECD, the claim that the United States spend more public money on health resources than other developed countries is true. The figures given there for the 35 OECD member states and a selection of additional countries report expenditures on




health care goods and services (i.e. current health expenditure) including personal health care (curative care, rehabilitative care, long-term care, ancillary services and medical goods) and collective services (prevention and public health services as well as health administration), but excluding spending on investments.




In 2013, the year that the video was apparently published, the USA spent 4207 USD per capita on health. This was the sixth highest spending in a list of 44 countries. Luxembourg and Norway had much highest spendings (with 5594 USD and 5084 USD, respectively), while spending in Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden are reported only somewhat higher governmental spendings than the USA (4360 USD, 4300 USD, and 4228 USD, respectively). The United Kingdom, the country apparently referred to by Green, runs at position 15, with 3057 USD per capita.



The same pattern is visible for the years leading up to 2013: Each year, Luxembourg and Norway are two countries with exceptionally high public spendings per capita. The United States is among handful of countries that vying for the ranks immediately below these two exceptions. This pattern supports the claim made in the video that public spending in the USA on health resources was higher than in most developed countries at the time the video was produced.



The pattern changes after 2013: Now, public spending on health expenditures in the USA clearly surpasses that of any other country, including Luxembourg and Norway. This increase in public spending in the USA that sets in in 2014 offsets a notable drop in voluntary spending. I suspect that this is the effect of the Affordable Care Act which came into force that year.



The latest available figure for the USA is from 2016. In that year, the USA is listed as the country with highest spendings per capita with 8047 USD. The amount for Luxembourg, the country with the second highest spendings, was 5643 USD, with Norway, Switzerland, and Germany following (5257 USD, 4912 USD, and 4612 USD, respectively).



To summarize, since 2007, the USA were always among the countries with the highest public spending on health resources, according to the figures released by the OECD. In the years leading up to 2014, the USA were clearly surpassed only by Luxembourg and Norway, and competed with a few other countries for rank three behind these two countries. Starting with 2014, public spending on health has sharply increased in the USA, making it the country with highest spending among all OECD countries.






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  • Note that if recorded in 2013 the video was likely referencing 2011 or 2012 data.
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    Not sure why moderators removed my original comment, but please edit your "However, public spendings in the USA on health was exceptionally low in 2013. In any other year between 2007 and 2017, the USA have the highest figure of all countries" - that is not what your linked datasets show. The numbers and rankings for pre-2013 all match up with 2013, so, no, 2013 was not exceptionally low, historically. However, since the ACA mandated coverage, and the category was for public/government OR "compulsory" spending, you see a large shift from private to that category, post-2013
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  • @PoloHoleSet: Thank you so much for your important comment. I don't know how that factual error crept in, and it's kind of embarrassing to receive all these upvotes for an erroneous answer. I've fixed the issue.
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  • No worries. Not sure what the moderators were thinking when they nuked that. Definitely, the issue at hand is that private, mandated coverage is categorized as government/public/compulsory spending. I'm not sure if that only covers individuals who were not previously required, or if employers, not changing anything they did, at all, suddenly have their employees' coverage categorized differently. In any case, the US method of health care financing is a bit of an anomaly, anyway. Good answer, and thanks for taking the time to incorporate feedback.
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The level of state funded healthcare spending in the USA is similar to the levels of spend in comparable countries despite not covering the majority of the population



Britain's Office of National Statistics provided a useful summary of international health spending in G7 countries in 2016. This includes the data shown in the following chart (The data is from 2014. I've redrawn their chart from their data but the original can be seen on the linked page):
redrawn ONS chart on spend as % of GDP



The chart uses the metric of spend as a proportion of GDP which avoids many issues with exchange rates and income comparability. But it is worth noting that US GDP per head is high compared to most of those comparator countries.



The USA's total spend on healthcare is by far the highest. Government funded care is higher than the UK and Canada but slightly less than Germany, France and Japan. So, on this criterion, the USA is not the highest user of government money on healthcare. OECD data for multiple years show that this is similar to the situation over the last decade (though recent OECD stats have redefined some private spending on insurance schemes in the USA as government or compulsory spending which makes the USA by far the highest spender).



But the context of these numbers needs to be understood for proper comparability. The government funded healthcare in the USA does not provide healthcare for the majority of the population. In the other countries the government spending achieves universal coverage. The UK's NHS achieves free healthcare for the entire population for a smaller proportion of GDP than the USA spend which only covers the retired and selected populations of the poor and veterans. Moreover, since US GDP per head is larger than the UK and most of the big comparators, the failure to achieve what other countries do is even more stark.



Whether the USA achieves good outcomes for its population for that spend is also open to question. The ONS provides this comparison of life expectancy and spend (again, the data is from 2014 and I've redrawn from their data, see the link for the original chart):
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The USA is a major outlier on spend but gets life expectancy comparable to Chile and the Czech Republic and substantially worse than most comparable industrial economies.



Summary
The USA spends a similar proportion of its GDP on government funded healthcare to other major developed countries (not quite the highest but not far from the highest spenders). All those other countries achieve universal health coverage for that spend but the USA government spend (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) only achieves coverage for about one third of the population (see this analysis).



Total spending on health is much higher than any other major economy and even government funded healthcare is among the highest (but not the highest) despite achieving poor coverage for the population.






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I believe Schmuddi's answer subtly changes the comparison here slightly. The raw dollar spend per capita is comparable only insofar as government expenditure per capita were the same.



The fairer comparison is arguably the proportion of overall fiscal expenditure allocated to healthcare-related costs. Indeed, the claim in the question is that an American pays "more in taxes for healthcare than [he] would if [he] were British", which calls to account the relative proportions, as tax is typically associated as a percentage of one's income.



The average American is significantly better paid (c. 30% more) than his British counterpart (OECD, via wiki), and so his tax contribution is naturally greater in nominal terms for a given personal taxation rate (not to mention the differences in tax rate; I assume equality here, though this is likely to favour the Briton as US taxes are on average lower). If we take equivalent incomes, and equivalent tax rates, then the American government will spend 27% of the citizen's tax contribution on healthcare. (National Priorities (2015)). Her Majesty's Government will spend about 19% of the tax contribution on healthcare (HMG Budget (2016) via Wiki).



The conclusion, however is that both in nominal and percentage terms, the US government seems to spend more on healthcare than the UK.






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    How have you taken into account the much higher local taxes in the USA that cover thinks paid for by national tax in the UK?
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  • I'd say that comparison of personal tax rates is too complex and somewhat out of scope in my answer; the result is that 'as a proportion of the amount of tax that a citizen pays, healthcare expenditure is greater for the American than the Briton'. Of course, people in both countries pay hugely different amount of taxes depending on location, income, marital status etc. but my general recommendation for estimating personal tax take is simply fiscal income / GDP. For USA I took only federal tax, but I think you're saying I should add state taxes, which I agree (this was an accidental omission!)
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  • Doing this - we get roughly $1tn / $7 tn of total spend, which is around 14% and hence lower than the UK. I'd say this is the fairer test, so thank you for pointing it out, and I believe this is the more expected result (given the significant private proportion of healthcare spend in the US). $7 trillion estimation comes from: usgovernmentspending.com/total_2018USrt_19rs1n
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  • @zac Rather than do your own back-of-an-envelope estimates it is better to use the standardised OECD estimates in which case this conclusion is wrong: the USA government spends a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare than the UK. And then individuals have to spend the same again to get healthcare insurance.
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    The average American is significantly better paid - by average do you mean median or mean?
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Adding to the complexity here from the other answers, particularly Zac's answer... Citizens are generally concerned with the percentage of their income being spent on health care, not the percentage of their taxes.



For the median household income of the US at $43,000 if unmarried will pay 25% tax and 15% if married. The median household income of the UK at $31,000 will pay 20% tax widening the gap between what Americans and British pay.



The unmarried American in this will pay 6.7% of income for healthcare. Falling to 4% if married.
The Brit will pay 3.8%. Marriage makes little difference.



So Americans pay the same in taxes if they are married but a lot more if single.




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Income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income



US Tax: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx



UK Tax: https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates






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    This looks like original research, unless the grounds for replacing expenditure/tax by expenditure/income are trivial (and I don't think they are).
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    The trouble with focusing on a particular person and their income is that there are major differences in income distribution among countries. Also tax is not hypothecated for particular uses so the calculation is also confused by the tax/borrowing ration of a particular governments approach to public spending. Spending as a % of GDP or absolute spend per head is far more comparable and useful.
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Based on data published by the OECD, the claim that the United States spend more public money on health resources than other developed countries is true. The figures given there for the 35 OECD member states and a selection of additional countries report expenditures on




health care goods and services (i.e. current health expenditure) including personal health care (curative care, rehabilitative care, long-term care, ancillary services and medical goods) and collective services (prevention and public health services as well as health administration), but excluding spending on investments.




In 2013, the year that the video was apparently published, the USA spent 4207 USD per capita on health. This was the sixth highest spending in a list of 44 countries. Luxembourg and Norway had much highest spendings (with 5594 USD and 5084 USD, respectively), while spending in Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden are reported only somewhat higher governmental spendings than the USA (4360 USD, 4300 USD, and 4228 USD, respectively). The United Kingdom, the country apparently referred to by Green, runs at position 15, with 3057 USD per capita.



The same pattern is visible for the years leading up to 2013: Each year, Luxembourg and Norway are two countries with exceptionally high public spendings per capita. The United States is among handful of countries that vying for the ranks immediately below these two exceptions. This pattern supports the claim made in the video that public spending in the USA on health resources was higher than in most developed countries at the time the video was produced.



The pattern changes after 2013: Now, public spending on health expenditures in the USA clearly surpasses that of any other country, including Luxembourg and Norway. This increase in public spending in the USA that sets in in 2014 offsets a notable drop in voluntary spending. I suspect that this is the effect of the Affordable Care Act which came into force that year.



The latest available figure for the USA is from 2016. In that year, the USA is listed as the country with highest spendings per capita with 8047 USD. The amount for Luxembourg, the country with the second highest spendings, was 5643 USD, with Norway, Switzerland, and Germany following (5257 USD, 4912 USD, and 4612 USD, respectively).



To summarize, since 2007, the USA were always among the countries with the highest public spending on health resources, according to the figures released by the OECD. In the years leading up to 2014, the USA were clearly surpassed only by Luxembourg and Norway, and competed with a few other countries for rank three behind these two countries. Starting with 2014, public spending on health has sharply increased in the USA, making it the country with highest spending among all OECD countries.






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  • Note that if recorded in 2013 the video was likely referencing 2011 or 2012 data.
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    Not sure why moderators removed my original comment, but please edit your "However, public spendings in the USA on health was exceptionally low in 2013. In any other year between 2007 and 2017, the USA have the highest figure of all countries" - that is not what your linked datasets show. The numbers and rankings for pre-2013 all match up with 2013, so, no, 2013 was not exceptionally low, historically. However, since the ACA mandated coverage, and the category was for public/government OR "compulsory" spending, you see a large shift from private to that category, post-2013
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  • @PoloHoleSet: Thank you so much for your important comment. I don't know how that factual error crept in, and it's kind of embarrassing to receive all these upvotes for an erroneous answer. I've fixed the issue.
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  • No worries. Not sure what the moderators were thinking when they nuked that. Definitely, the issue at hand is that private, mandated coverage is categorized as government/public/compulsory spending. I'm not sure if that only covers individuals who were not previously required, or if employers, not changing anything they did, at all, suddenly have their employees' coverage categorized differently. In any case, the US method of health care financing is a bit of an anomaly, anyway. Good answer, and thanks for taking the time to incorporate feedback.
    – PoloHoleSet
    Sep 5 at 16:10















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Based on data published by the OECD, the claim that the United States spend more public money on health resources than other developed countries is true. The figures given there for the 35 OECD member states and a selection of additional countries report expenditures on




health care goods and services (i.e. current health expenditure) including personal health care (curative care, rehabilitative care, long-term care, ancillary services and medical goods) and collective services (prevention and public health services as well as health administration), but excluding spending on investments.




In 2013, the year that the video was apparently published, the USA spent 4207 USD per capita on health. This was the sixth highest spending in a list of 44 countries. Luxembourg and Norway had much highest spendings (with 5594 USD and 5084 USD, respectively), while spending in Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden are reported only somewhat higher governmental spendings than the USA (4360 USD, 4300 USD, and 4228 USD, respectively). The United Kingdom, the country apparently referred to by Green, runs at position 15, with 3057 USD per capita.



The same pattern is visible for the years leading up to 2013: Each year, Luxembourg and Norway are two countries with exceptionally high public spendings per capita. The United States is among handful of countries that vying for the ranks immediately below these two exceptions. This pattern supports the claim made in the video that public spending in the USA on health resources was higher than in most developed countries at the time the video was produced.



The pattern changes after 2013: Now, public spending on health expenditures in the USA clearly surpasses that of any other country, including Luxembourg and Norway. This increase in public spending in the USA that sets in in 2014 offsets a notable drop in voluntary spending. I suspect that this is the effect of the Affordable Care Act which came into force that year.



The latest available figure for the USA is from 2016. In that year, the USA is listed as the country with highest spendings per capita with 8047 USD. The amount for Luxembourg, the country with the second highest spendings, was 5643 USD, with Norway, Switzerland, and Germany following (5257 USD, 4912 USD, and 4612 USD, respectively).



To summarize, since 2007, the USA were always among the countries with the highest public spending on health resources, according to the figures released by the OECD. In the years leading up to 2014, the USA were clearly surpassed only by Luxembourg and Norway, and competed with a few other countries for rank three behind these two countries. Starting with 2014, public spending on health has sharply increased in the USA, making it the country with highest spending among all OECD countries.






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  • Note that if recorded in 2013 the video was likely referencing 2011 or 2012 data.
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    Sep 4 at 16:51






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    Not sure why moderators removed my original comment, but please edit your "However, public spendings in the USA on health was exceptionally low in 2013. In any other year between 2007 and 2017, the USA have the highest figure of all countries" - that is not what your linked datasets show. The numbers and rankings for pre-2013 all match up with 2013, so, no, 2013 was not exceptionally low, historically. However, since the ACA mandated coverage, and the category was for public/government OR "compulsory" spending, you see a large shift from private to that category, post-2013
    – PoloHoleSet
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  • @PoloHoleSet: Thank you so much for your important comment. I don't know how that factual error crept in, and it's kind of embarrassing to receive all these upvotes for an erroneous answer. I've fixed the issue.
    – Schmuddi
    Sep 5 at 6:10










  • No worries. Not sure what the moderators were thinking when they nuked that. Definitely, the issue at hand is that private, mandated coverage is categorized as government/public/compulsory spending. I'm not sure if that only covers individuals who were not previously required, or if employers, not changing anything they did, at all, suddenly have their employees' coverage categorized differently. In any case, the US method of health care financing is a bit of an anomaly, anyway. Good answer, and thanks for taking the time to incorporate feedback.
    – PoloHoleSet
    Sep 5 at 16:10













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Based on data published by the OECD, the claim that the United States spend more public money on health resources than other developed countries is true. The figures given there for the 35 OECD member states and a selection of additional countries report expenditures on




health care goods and services (i.e. current health expenditure) including personal health care (curative care, rehabilitative care, long-term care, ancillary services and medical goods) and collective services (prevention and public health services as well as health administration), but excluding spending on investments.




In 2013, the year that the video was apparently published, the USA spent 4207 USD per capita on health. This was the sixth highest spending in a list of 44 countries. Luxembourg and Norway had much highest spendings (with 5594 USD and 5084 USD, respectively), while spending in Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden are reported only somewhat higher governmental spendings than the USA (4360 USD, 4300 USD, and 4228 USD, respectively). The United Kingdom, the country apparently referred to by Green, runs at position 15, with 3057 USD per capita.



The same pattern is visible for the years leading up to 2013: Each year, Luxembourg and Norway are two countries with exceptionally high public spendings per capita. The United States is among handful of countries that vying for the ranks immediately below these two exceptions. This pattern supports the claim made in the video that public spending in the USA on health resources was higher than in most developed countries at the time the video was produced.



The pattern changes after 2013: Now, public spending on health expenditures in the USA clearly surpasses that of any other country, including Luxembourg and Norway. This increase in public spending in the USA that sets in in 2014 offsets a notable drop in voluntary spending. I suspect that this is the effect of the Affordable Care Act which came into force that year.



The latest available figure for the USA is from 2016. In that year, the USA is listed as the country with highest spendings per capita with 8047 USD. The amount for Luxembourg, the country with the second highest spendings, was 5643 USD, with Norway, Switzerland, and Germany following (5257 USD, 4912 USD, and 4612 USD, respectively).



To summarize, since 2007, the USA were always among the countries with the highest public spending on health resources, according to the figures released by the OECD. In the years leading up to 2014, the USA were clearly surpassed only by Luxembourg and Norway, and competed with a few other countries for rank three behind these two countries. Starting with 2014, public spending on health has sharply increased in the USA, making it the country with highest spending among all OECD countries.






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Based on data published by the OECD, the claim that the United States spend more public money on health resources than other developed countries is true. The figures given there for the 35 OECD member states and a selection of additional countries report expenditures on




health care goods and services (i.e. current health expenditure) including personal health care (curative care, rehabilitative care, long-term care, ancillary services and medical goods) and collective services (prevention and public health services as well as health administration), but excluding spending on investments.




In 2013, the year that the video was apparently published, the USA spent 4207 USD per capita on health. This was the sixth highest spending in a list of 44 countries. Luxembourg and Norway had much highest spendings (with 5594 USD and 5084 USD, respectively), while spending in Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden are reported only somewhat higher governmental spendings than the USA (4360 USD, 4300 USD, and 4228 USD, respectively). The United Kingdom, the country apparently referred to by Green, runs at position 15, with 3057 USD per capita.



The same pattern is visible for the years leading up to 2013: Each year, Luxembourg and Norway are two countries with exceptionally high public spendings per capita. The United States is among handful of countries that vying for the ranks immediately below these two exceptions. This pattern supports the claim made in the video that public spending in the USA on health resources was higher than in most developed countries at the time the video was produced.



The pattern changes after 2013: Now, public spending on health expenditures in the USA clearly surpasses that of any other country, including Luxembourg and Norway. This increase in public spending in the USA that sets in in 2014 offsets a notable drop in voluntary spending. I suspect that this is the effect of the Affordable Care Act which came into force that year.



The latest available figure for the USA is from 2016. In that year, the USA is listed as the country with highest spendings per capita with 8047 USD. The amount for Luxembourg, the country with the second highest spendings, was 5643 USD, with Norway, Switzerland, and Germany following (5257 USD, 4912 USD, and 4612 USD, respectively).



To summarize, since 2007, the USA were always among the countries with the highest public spending on health resources, according to the figures released by the OECD. In the years leading up to 2014, the USA were clearly surpassed only by Luxembourg and Norway, and competed with a few other countries for rank three behind these two countries. Starting with 2014, public spending on health has sharply increased in the USA, making it the country with highest spending among all OECD countries.







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  • Note that if recorded in 2013 the video was likely referencing 2011 or 2012 data.
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    Not sure why moderators removed my original comment, but please edit your "However, public spendings in the USA on health was exceptionally low in 2013. In any other year between 2007 and 2017, the USA have the highest figure of all countries" - that is not what your linked datasets show. The numbers and rankings for pre-2013 all match up with 2013, so, no, 2013 was not exceptionally low, historically. However, since the ACA mandated coverage, and the category was for public/government OR "compulsory" spending, you see a large shift from private to that category, post-2013
    – PoloHoleSet
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  • @PoloHoleSet: Thank you so much for your important comment. I don't know how that factual error crept in, and it's kind of embarrassing to receive all these upvotes for an erroneous answer. I've fixed the issue.
    – Schmuddi
    Sep 5 at 6:10










  • No worries. Not sure what the moderators were thinking when they nuked that. Definitely, the issue at hand is that private, mandated coverage is categorized as government/public/compulsory spending. I'm not sure if that only covers individuals who were not previously required, or if employers, not changing anything they did, at all, suddenly have their employees' coverage categorized differently. In any case, the US method of health care financing is a bit of an anomaly, anyway. Good answer, and thanks for taking the time to incorporate feedback.
    – PoloHoleSet
    Sep 5 at 16:10

















  • Note that if recorded in 2013 the video was likely referencing 2011 or 2012 data.
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    Not sure why moderators removed my original comment, but please edit your "However, public spendings in the USA on health was exceptionally low in 2013. In any other year between 2007 and 2017, the USA have the highest figure of all countries" - that is not what your linked datasets show. The numbers and rankings for pre-2013 all match up with 2013, so, no, 2013 was not exceptionally low, historically. However, since the ACA mandated coverage, and the category was for public/government OR "compulsory" spending, you see a large shift from private to that category, post-2013
    – PoloHoleSet
    Sep 4 at 21:19











  • @PoloHoleSet: Thank you so much for your important comment. I don't know how that factual error crept in, and it's kind of embarrassing to receive all these upvotes for an erroneous answer. I've fixed the issue.
    – Schmuddi
    Sep 5 at 6:10










  • No worries. Not sure what the moderators were thinking when they nuked that. Definitely, the issue at hand is that private, mandated coverage is categorized as government/public/compulsory spending. I'm not sure if that only covers individuals who were not previously required, or if employers, not changing anything they did, at all, suddenly have their employees' coverage categorized differently. In any case, the US method of health care financing is a bit of an anomaly, anyway. Good answer, and thanks for taking the time to incorporate feedback.
    – PoloHoleSet
    Sep 5 at 16:10
















Note that if recorded in 2013 the video was likely referencing 2011 or 2012 data.
– Joe
Sep 4 at 16:51




Note that if recorded in 2013 the video was likely referencing 2011 or 2012 data.
– Joe
Sep 4 at 16:51




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1




Not sure why moderators removed my original comment, but please edit your "However, public spendings in the USA on health was exceptionally low in 2013. In any other year between 2007 and 2017, the USA have the highest figure of all countries" - that is not what your linked datasets show. The numbers and rankings for pre-2013 all match up with 2013, so, no, 2013 was not exceptionally low, historically. However, since the ACA mandated coverage, and the category was for public/government OR "compulsory" spending, you see a large shift from private to that category, post-2013
– PoloHoleSet
Sep 4 at 21:19





Not sure why moderators removed my original comment, but please edit your "However, public spendings in the USA on health was exceptionally low in 2013. In any other year between 2007 and 2017, the USA have the highest figure of all countries" - that is not what your linked datasets show. The numbers and rankings for pre-2013 all match up with 2013, so, no, 2013 was not exceptionally low, historically. However, since the ACA mandated coverage, and the category was for public/government OR "compulsory" spending, you see a large shift from private to that category, post-2013
– PoloHoleSet
Sep 4 at 21:19













@PoloHoleSet: Thank you so much for your important comment. I don't know how that factual error crept in, and it's kind of embarrassing to receive all these upvotes for an erroneous answer. I've fixed the issue.
– Schmuddi
Sep 5 at 6:10




@PoloHoleSet: Thank you so much for your important comment. I don't know how that factual error crept in, and it's kind of embarrassing to receive all these upvotes for an erroneous answer. I've fixed the issue.
– Schmuddi
Sep 5 at 6:10












No worries. Not sure what the moderators were thinking when they nuked that. Definitely, the issue at hand is that private, mandated coverage is categorized as government/public/compulsory spending. I'm not sure if that only covers individuals who were not previously required, or if employers, not changing anything they did, at all, suddenly have their employees' coverage categorized differently. In any case, the US method of health care financing is a bit of an anomaly, anyway. Good answer, and thanks for taking the time to incorporate feedback.
– PoloHoleSet
Sep 5 at 16:10





No worries. Not sure what the moderators were thinking when they nuked that. Definitely, the issue at hand is that private, mandated coverage is categorized as government/public/compulsory spending. I'm not sure if that only covers individuals who were not previously required, or if employers, not changing anything they did, at all, suddenly have their employees' coverage categorized differently. In any case, the US method of health care financing is a bit of an anomaly, anyway. Good answer, and thanks for taking the time to incorporate feedback.
– PoloHoleSet
Sep 5 at 16:10











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The level of state funded healthcare spending in the USA is similar to the levels of spend in comparable countries despite not covering the majority of the population



Britain's Office of National Statistics provided a useful summary of international health spending in G7 countries in 2016. This includes the data shown in the following chart (The data is from 2014. I've redrawn their chart from their data but the original can be seen on the linked page):
redrawn ONS chart on spend as % of GDP



The chart uses the metric of spend as a proportion of GDP which avoids many issues with exchange rates and income comparability. But it is worth noting that US GDP per head is high compared to most of those comparator countries.



The USA's total spend on healthcare is by far the highest. Government funded care is higher than the UK and Canada but slightly less than Germany, France and Japan. So, on this criterion, the USA is not the highest user of government money on healthcare. OECD data for multiple years show that this is similar to the situation over the last decade (though recent OECD stats have redefined some private spending on insurance schemes in the USA as government or compulsory spending which makes the USA by far the highest spender).



But the context of these numbers needs to be understood for proper comparability. The government funded healthcare in the USA does not provide healthcare for the majority of the population. In the other countries the government spending achieves universal coverage. The UK's NHS achieves free healthcare for the entire population for a smaller proportion of GDP than the USA spend which only covers the retired and selected populations of the poor and veterans. Moreover, since US GDP per head is larger than the UK and most of the big comparators, the failure to achieve what other countries do is even more stark.



Whether the USA achieves good outcomes for its population for that spend is also open to question. The ONS provides this comparison of life expectancy and spend (again, the data is from 2014 and I've redrawn from their data, see the link for the original chart):
enter image description here



The USA is a major outlier on spend but gets life expectancy comparable to Chile and the Czech Republic and substantially worse than most comparable industrial economies.



Summary
The USA spends a similar proportion of its GDP on government funded healthcare to other major developed countries (not quite the highest but not far from the highest spenders). All those other countries achieve universal health coverage for that spend but the USA government spend (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) only achieves coverage for about one third of the population (see this analysis).



Total spending on health is much higher than any other major economy and even government funded healthcare is among the highest (but not the highest) despite achieving poor coverage for the population.






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The level of state funded healthcare spending in the USA is similar to the levels of spend in comparable countries despite not covering the majority of the population



Britain's Office of National Statistics provided a useful summary of international health spending in G7 countries in 2016. This includes the data shown in the following chart (The data is from 2014. I've redrawn their chart from their data but the original can be seen on the linked page):
redrawn ONS chart on spend as % of GDP



The chart uses the metric of spend as a proportion of GDP which avoids many issues with exchange rates and income comparability. But it is worth noting that US GDP per head is high compared to most of those comparator countries.



The USA's total spend on healthcare is by far the highest. Government funded care is higher than the UK and Canada but slightly less than Germany, France and Japan. So, on this criterion, the USA is not the highest user of government money on healthcare. OECD data for multiple years show that this is similar to the situation over the last decade (though recent OECD stats have redefined some private spending on insurance schemes in the USA as government or compulsory spending which makes the USA by far the highest spender).



But the context of these numbers needs to be understood for proper comparability. The government funded healthcare in the USA does not provide healthcare for the majority of the population. In the other countries the government spending achieves universal coverage. The UK's NHS achieves free healthcare for the entire population for a smaller proportion of GDP than the USA spend which only covers the retired and selected populations of the poor and veterans. Moreover, since US GDP per head is larger than the UK and most of the big comparators, the failure to achieve what other countries do is even more stark.



Whether the USA achieves good outcomes for its population for that spend is also open to question. The ONS provides this comparison of life expectancy and spend (again, the data is from 2014 and I've redrawn from their data, see the link for the original chart):
enter image description here



The USA is a major outlier on spend but gets life expectancy comparable to Chile and the Czech Republic and substantially worse than most comparable industrial economies.



Summary
The USA spends a similar proportion of its GDP on government funded healthcare to other major developed countries (not quite the highest but not far from the highest spenders). All those other countries achieve universal health coverage for that spend but the USA government spend (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) only achieves coverage for about one third of the population (see this analysis).



Total spending on health is much higher than any other major economy and even government funded healthcare is among the highest (but not the highest) despite achieving poor coverage for the population.






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up vote
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The level of state funded healthcare spending in the USA is similar to the levels of spend in comparable countries despite not covering the majority of the population



Britain's Office of National Statistics provided a useful summary of international health spending in G7 countries in 2016. This includes the data shown in the following chart (The data is from 2014. I've redrawn their chart from their data but the original can be seen on the linked page):
redrawn ONS chart on spend as % of GDP



The chart uses the metric of spend as a proportion of GDP which avoids many issues with exchange rates and income comparability. But it is worth noting that US GDP per head is high compared to most of those comparator countries.



The USA's total spend on healthcare is by far the highest. Government funded care is higher than the UK and Canada but slightly less than Germany, France and Japan. So, on this criterion, the USA is not the highest user of government money on healthcare. OECD data for multiple years show that this is similar to the situation over the last decade (though recent OECD stats have redefined some private spending on insurance schemes in the USA as government or compulsory spending which makes the USA by far the highest spender).



But the context of these numbers needs to be understood for proper comparability. The government funded healthcare in the USA does not provide healthcare for the majority of the population. In the other countries the government spending achieves universal coverage. The UK's NHS achieves free healthcare for the entire population for a smaller proportion of GDP than the USA spend which only covers the retired and selected populations of the poor and veterans. Moreover, since US GDP per head is larger than the UK and most of the big comparators, the failure to achieve what other countries do is even more stark.



Whether the USA achieves good outcomes for its population for that spend is also open to question. The ONS provides this comparison of life expectancy and spend (again, the data is from 2014 and I've redrawn from their data, see the link for the original chart):
enter image description here



The USA is a major outlier on spend but gets life expectancy comparable to Chile and the Czech Republic and substantially worse than most comparable industrial economies.



Summary
The USA spends a similar proportion of its GDP on government funded healthcare to other major developed countries (not quite the highest but not far from the highest spenders). All those other countries achieve universal health coverage for that spend but the USA government spend (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) only achieves coverage for about one third of the population (see this analysis).



Total spending on health is much higher than any other major economy and even government funded healthcare is among the highest (but not the highest) despite achieving poor coverage for the population.






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The level of state funded healthcare spending in the USA is similar to the levels of spend in comparable countries despite not covering the majority of the population



Britain's Office of National Statistics provided a useful summary of international health spending in G7 countries in 2016. This includes the data shown in the following chart (The data is from 2014. I've redrawn their chart from their data but the original can be seen on the linked page):
redrawn ONS chart on spend as % of GDP



The chart uses the metric of spend as a proportion of GDP which avoids many issues with exchange rates and income comparability. But it is worth noting that US GDP per head is high compared to most of those comparator countries.



The USA's total spend on healthcare is by far the highest. Government funded care is higher than the UK and Canada but slightly less than Germany, France and Japan. So, on this criterion, the USA is not the highest user of government money on healthcare. OECD data for multiple years show that this is similar to the situation over the last decade (though recent OECD stats have redefined some private spending on insurance schemes in the USA as government or compulsory spending which makes the USA by far the highest spender).



But the context of these numbers needs to be understood for proper comparability. The government funded healthcare in the USA does not provide healthcare for the majority of the population. In the other countries the government spending achieves universal coverage. The UK's NHS achieves free healthcare for the entire population for a smaller proportion of GDP than the USA spend which only covers the retired and selected populations of the poor and veterans. Moreover, since US GDP per head is larger than the UK and most of the big comparators, the failure to achieve what other countries do is even more stark.



Whether the USA achieves good outcomes for its population for that spend is also open to question. The ONS provides this comparison of life expectancy and spend (again, the data is from 2014 and I've redrawn from their data, see the link for the original chart):
enter image description here



The USA is a major outlier on spend but gets life expectancy comparable to Chile and the Czech Republic and substantially worse than most comparable industrial economies.



Summary
The USA spends a similar proportion of its GDP on government funded healthcare to other major developed countries (not quite the highest but not far from the highest spenders). All those other countries achieve universal health coverage for that spend but the USA government spend (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) only achieves coverage for about one third of the population (see this analysis).



Total spending on health is much higher than any other major economy and even government funded healthcare is among the highest (but not the highest) despite achieving poor coverage for the population.







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I believe Schmuddi's answer subtly changes the comparison here slightly. The raw dollar spend per capita is comparable only insofar as government expenditure per capita were the same.



The fairer comparison is arguably the proportion of overall fiscal expenditure allocated to healthcare-related costs. Indeed, the claim in the question is that an American pays "more in taxes for healthcare than [he] would if [he] were British", which calls to account the relative proportions, as tax is typically associated as a percentage of one's income.



The average American is significantly better paid (c. 30% more) than his British counterpart (OECD, via wiki), and so his tax contribution is naturally greater in nominal terms for a given personal taxation rate (not to mention the differences in tax rate; I assume equality here, though this is likely to favour the Briton as US taxes are on average lower). If we take equivalent incomes, and equivalent tax rates, then the American government will spend 27% of the citizen's tax contribution on healthcare. (National Priorities (2015)). Her Majesty's Government will spend about 19% of the tax contribution on healthcare (HMG Budget (2016) via Wiki).



The conclusion, however is that both in nominal and percentage terms, the US government seems to spend more on healthcare than the UK.






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    How have you taken into account the much higher local taxes in the USA that cover thinks paid for by national tax in the UK?
    – Ian Ringrose
    Sep 3 at 8:57











  • I'd say that comparison of personal tax rates is too complex and somewhat out of scope in my answer; the result is that 'as a proportion of the amount of tax that a citizen pays, healthcare expenditure is greater for the American than the Briton'. Of course, people in both countries pay hugely different amount of taxes depending on location, income, marital status etc. but my general recommendation for estimating personal tax take is simply fiscal income / GDP. For USA I took only federal tax, but I think you're saying I should add state taxes, which I agree (this was an accidental omission!)
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:45










  • Doing this - we get roughly $1tn / $7 tn of total spend, which is around 14% and hence lower than the UK. I'd say this is the fairer test, so thank you for pointing it out, and I believe this is the more expected result (given the significant private proportion of healthcare spend in the US). $7 trillion estimation comes from: usgovernmentspending.com/total_2018USrt_19rs1n
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:53










  • @zac Rather than do your own back-of-an-envelope estimates it is better to use the standardised OECD estimates in which case this conclusion is wrong: the USA government spends a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare than the UK. And then individuals have to spend the same again to get healthcare insurance.
    – matt_black
    Sep 3 at 11:00






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    The average American is significantly better paid - by average do you mean median or mean?
    – Grimm The Opiner
    Sep 4 at 11:53














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I believe Schmuddi's answer subtly changes the comparison here slightly. The raw dollar spend per capita is comparable only insofar as government expenditure per capita were the same.



The fairer comparison is arguably the proportion of overall fiscal expenditure allocated to healthcare-related costs. Indeed, the claim in the question is that an American pays "more in taxes for healthcare than [he] would if [he] were British", which calls to account the relative proportions, as tax is typically associated as a percentage of one's income.



The average American is significantly better paid (c. 30% more) than his British counterpart (OECD, via wiki), and so his tax contribution is naturally greater in nominal terms for a given personal taxation rate (not to mention the differences in tax rate; I assume equality here, though this is likely to favour the Briton as US taxes are on average lower). If we take equivalent incomes, and equivalent tax rates, then the American government will spend 27% of the citizen's tax contribution on healthcare. (National Priorities (2015)). Her Majesty's Government will spend about 19% of the tax contribution on healthcare (HMG Budget (2016) via Wiki).



The conclusion, however is that both in nominal and percentage terms, the US government seems to spend more on healthcare than the UK.






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    How have you taken into account the much higher local taxes in the USA that cover thinks paid for by national tax in the UK?
    – Ian Ringrose
    Sep 3 at 8:57











  • I'd say that comparison of personal tax rates is too complex and somewhat out of scope in my answer; the result is that 'as a proportion of the amount of tax that a citizen pays, healthcare expenditure is greater for the American than the Briton'. Of course, people in both countries pay hugely different amount of taxes depending on location, income, marital status etc. but my general recommendation for estimating personal tax take is simply fiscal income / GDP. For USA I took only federal tax, but I think you're saying I should add state taxes, which I agree (this was an accidental omission!)
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:45










  • Doing this - we get roughly $1tn / $7 tn of total spend, which is around 14% and hence lower than the UK. I'd say this is the fairer test, so thank you for pointing it out, and I believe this is the more expected result (given the significant private proportion of healthcare spend in the US). $7 trillion estimation comes from: usgovernmentspending.com/total_2018USrt_19rs1n
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:53










  • @zac Rather than do your own back-of-an-envelope estimates it is better to use the standardised OECD estimates in which case this conclusion is wrong: the USA government spends a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare than the UK. And then individuals have to spend the same again to get healthcare insurance.
    – matt_black
    Sep 3 at 11:00






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    The average American is significantly better paid - by average do you mean median or mean?
    – Grimm The Opiner
    Sep 4 at 11:53












up vote
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up vote
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I believe Schmuddi's answer subtly changes the comparison here slightly. The raw dollar spend per capita is comparable only insofar as government expenditure per capita were the same.



The fairer comparison is arguably the proportion of overall fiscal expenditure allocated to healthcare-related costs. Indeed, the claim in the question is that an American pays "more in taxes for healthcare than [he] would if [he] were British", which calls to account the relative proportions, as tax is typically associated as a percentage of one's income.



The average American is significantly better paid (c. 30% more) than his British counterpart (OECD, via wiki), and so his tax contribution is naturally greater in nominal terms for a given personal taxation rate (not to mention the differences in tax rate; I assume equality here, though this is likely to favour the Briton as US taxes are on average lower). If we take equivalent incomes, and equivalent tax rates, then the American government will spend 27% of the citizen's tax contribution on healthcare. (National Priorities (2015)). Her Majesty's Government will spend about 19% of the tax contribution on healthcare (HMG Budget (2016) via Wiki).



The conclusion, however is that both in nominal and percentage terms, the US government seems to spend more on healthcare than the UK.






share|improve this answer














I believe Schmuddi's answer subtly changes the comparison here slightly. The raw dollar spend per capita is comparable only insofar as government expenditure per capita were the same.



The fairer comparison is arguably the proportion of overall fiscal expenditure allocated to healthcare-related costs. Indeed, the claim in the question is that an American pays "more in taxes for healthcare than [he] would if [he] were British", which calls to account the relative proportions, as tax is typically associated as a percentage of one's income.



The average American is significantly better paid (c. 30% more) than his British counterpart (OECD, via wiki), and so his tax contribution is naturally greater in nominal terms for a given personal taxation rate (not to mention the differences in tax rate; I assume equality here, though this is likely to favour the Briton as US taxes are on average lower). If we take equivalent incomes, and equivalent tax rates, then the American government will spend 27% of the citizen's tax contribution on healthcare. (National Priorities (2015)). Her Majesty's Government will spend about 19% of the tax contribution on healthcare (HMG Budget (2016) via Wiki).



The conclusion, however is that both in nominal and percentage terms, the US government seems to spend more on healthcare than the UK.







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    How have you taken into account the much higher local taxes in the USA that cover thinks paid for by national tax in the UK?
    – Ian Ringrose
    Sep 3 at 8:57











  • I'd say that comparison of personal tax rates is too complex and somewhat out of scope in my answer; the result is that 'as a proportion of the amount of tax that a citizen pays, healthcare expenditure is greater for the American than the Briton'. Of course, people in both countries pay hugely different amount of taxes depending on location, income, marital status etc. but my general recommendation for estimating personal tax take is simply fiscal income / GDP. For USA I took only federal tax, but I think you're saying I should add state taxes, which I agree (this was an accidental omission!)
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:45










  • Doing this - we get roughly $1tn / $7 tn of total spend, which is around 14% and hence lower than the UK. I'd say this is the fairer test, so thank you for pointing it out, and I believe this is the more expected result (given the significant private proportion of healthcare spend in the US). $7 trillion estimation comes from: usgovernmentspending.com/total_2018USrt_19rs1n
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:53










  • @zac Rather than do your own back-of-an-envelope estimates it is better to use the standardised OECD estimates in which case this conclusion is wrong: the USA government spends a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare than the UK. And then individuals have to spend the same again to get healthcare insurance.
    – matt_black
    Sep 3 at 11:00






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    The average American is significantly better paid - by average do you mean median or mean?
    – Grimm The Opiner
    Sep 4 at 11:53












  • 2




    How have you taken into account the much higher local taxes in the USA that cover thinks paid for by national tax in the UK?
    – Ian Ringrose
    Sep 3 at 8:57











  • I'd say that comparison of personal tax rates is too complex and somewhat out of scope in my answer; the result is that 'as a proportion of the amount of tax that a citizen pays, healthcare expenditure is greater for the American than the Briton'. Of course, people in both countries pay hugely different amount of taxes depending on location, income, marital status etc. but my general recommendation for estimating personal tax take is simply fiscal income / GDP. For USA I took only federal tax, but I think you're saying I should add state taxes, which I agree (this was an accidental omission!)
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:45










  • Doing this - we get roughly $1tn / $7 tn of total spend, which is around 14% and hence lower than the UK. I'd say this is the fairer test, so thank you for pointing it out, and I believe this is the more expected result (given the significant private proportion of healthcare spend in the US). $7 trillion estimation comes from: usgovernmentspending.com/total_2018USrt_19rs1n
    – Zac
    Sep 3 at 10:53










  • @zac Rather than do your own back-of-an-envelope estimates it is better to use the standardised OECD estimates in which case this conclusion is wrong: the USA government spends a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare than the UK. And then individuals have to spend the same again to get healthcare insurance.
    – matt_black
    Sep 3 at 11:00






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    The average American is significantly better paid - by average do you mean median or mean?
    – Grimm The Opiner
    Sep 4 at 11:53







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How have you taken into account the much higher local taxes in the USA that cover thinks paid for by national tax in the UK?
– Ian Ringrose
Sep 3 at 8:57





How have you taken into account the much higher local taxes in the USA that cover thinks paid for by national tax in the UK?
– Ian Ringrose
Sep 3 at 8:57













I'd say that comparison of personal tax rates is too complex and somewhat out of scope in my answer; the result is that 'as a proportion of the amount of tax that a citizen pays, healthcare expenditure is greater for the American than the Briton'. Of course, people in both countries pay hugely different amount of taxes depending on location, income, marital status etc. but my general recommendation for estimating personal tax take is simply fiscal income / GDP. For USA I took only federal tax, but I think you're saying I should add state taxes, which I agree (this was an accidental omission!)
– Zac
Sep 3 at 10:45




I'd say that comparison of personal tax rates is too complex and somewhat out of scope in my answer; the result is that 'as a proportion of the amount of tax that a citizen pays, healthcare expenditure is greater for the American than the Briton'. Of course, people in both countries pay hugely different amount of taxes depending on location, income, marital status etc. but my general recommendation for estimating personal tax take is simply fiscal income / GDP. For USA I took only federal tax, but I think you're saying I should add state taxes, which I agree (this was an accidental omission!)
– Zac
Sep 3 at 10:45












Doing this - we get roughly $1tn / $7 tn of total spend, which is around 14% and hence lower than the UK. I'd say this is the fairer test, so thank you for pointing it out, and I believe this is the more expected result (given the significant private proportion of healthcare spend in the US). $7 trillion estimation comes from: usgovernmentspending.com/total_2018USrt_19rs1n
– Zac
Sep 3 at 10:53




Doing this - we get roughly $1tn / $7 tn of total spend, which is around 14% and hence lower than the UK. I'd say this is the fairer test, so thank you for pointing it out, and I believe this is the more expected result (given the significant private proportion of healthcare spend in the US). $7 trillion estimation comes from: usgovernmentspending.com/total_2018USrt_19rs1n
– Zac
Sep 3 at 10:53












@zac Rather than do your own back-of-an-envelope estimates it is better to use the standardised OECD estimates in which case this conclusion is wrong: the USA government spends a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare than the UK. And then individuals have to spend the same again to get healthcare insurance.
– matt_black
Sep 3 at 11:00




@zac Rather than do your own back-of-an-envelope estimates it is better to use the standardised OECD estimates in which case this conclusion is wrong: the USA government spends a higher proportion of GDP on healthcare than the UK. And then individuals have to spend the same again to get healthcare insurance.
– matt_black
Sep 3 at 11:00




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The average American is significantly better paid - by average do you mean median or mean?
– Grimm The Opiner
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The average American is significantly better paid - by average do you mean median or mean?
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Adding to the complexity here from the other answers, particularly Zac's answer... Citizens are generally concerned with the percentage of their income being spent on health care, not the percentage of their taxes.



For the median household income of the US at $43,000 if unmarried will pay 25% tax and 15% if married. The median household income of the UK at $31,000 will pay 20% tax widening the gap between what Americans and British pay.



The unmarried American in this will pay 6.7% of income for healthcare. Falling to 4% if married.
The Brit will pay 3.8%. Marriage makes little difference.



So Americans pay the same in taxes if they are married but a lot more if single.




Sources:



Income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income



US Tax: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx



UK Tax: https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates






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    This looks like original research, unless the grounds for replacing expenditure/tax by expenditure/income are trivial (and I don't think they are).
    – Dmitry Grigoryev
    Sep 3 at 6:39






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    The trouble with focusing on a particular person and their income is that there are major differences in income distribution among countries. Also tax is not hypothecated for particular uses so the calculation is also confused by the tax/borrowing ration of a particular governments approach to public spending. Spending as a % of GDP or absolute spend per head is far more comparable and useful.
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Adding to the complexity here from the other answers, particularly Zac's answer... Citizens are generally concerned with the percentage of their income being spent on health care, not the percentage of their taxes.



For the median household income of the US at $43,000 if unmarried will pay 25% tax and 15% if married. The median household income of the UK at $31,000 will pay 20% tax widening the gap between what Americans and British pay.



The unmarried American in this will pay 6.7% of income for healthcare. Falling to 4% if married.
The Brit will pay 3.8%. Marriage makes little difference.



So Americans pay the same in taxes if they are married but a lot more if single.




Sources:



Income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income



US Tax: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx



UK Tax: https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates






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  • 2




    This looks like original research, unless the grounds for replacing expenditure/tax by expenditure/income are trivial (and I don't think they are).
    – Dmitry Grigoryev
    Sep 3 at 6:39






  • 4




    The trouble with focusing on a particular person and their income is that there are major differences in income distribution among countries. Also tax is not hypothecated for particular uses so the calculation is also confused by the tax/borrowing ration of a particular governments approach to public spending. Spending as a % of GDP or absolute spend per head is far more comparable and useful.
    – matt_black
    Sep 3 at 11:06












up vote
0
down vote










up vote
0
down vote









Adding to the complexity here from the other answers, particularly Zac's answer... Citizens are generally concerned with the percentage of their income being spent on health care, not the percentage of their taxes.



For the median household income of the US at $43,000 if unmarried will pay 25% tax and 15% if married. The median household income of the UK at $31,000 will pay 20% tax widening the gap between what Americans and British pay.



The unmarried American in this will pay 6.7% of income for healthcare. Falling to 4% if married.
The Brit will pay 3.8%. Marriage makes little difference.



So Americans pay the same in taxes if they are married but a lot more if single.




Sources:



Income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income



US Tax: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx



UK Tax: https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates






share|improve this answer














Adding to the complexity here from the other answers, particularly Zac's answer... Citizens are generally concerned with the percentage of their income being spent on health care, not the percentage of their taxes.



For the median household income of the US at $43,000 if unmarried will pay 25% tax and 15% if married. The median household income of the UK at $31,000 will pay 20% tax widening the gap between what Americans and British pay.



The unmarried American in this will pay 6.7% of income for healthcare. Falling to 4% if married.
The Brit will pay 3.8%. Marriage makes little difference.



So Americans pay the same in taxes if they are married but a lot more if single.




Sources:



Income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income



US Tax: https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx



UK Tax: https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates







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  • 2




    This looks like original research, unless the grounds for replacing expenditure/tax by expenditure/income are trivial (and I don't think they are).
    – Dmitry Grigoryev
    Sep 3 at 6:39






  • 4




    The trouble with focusing on a particular person and their income is that there are major differences in income distribution among countries. Also tax is not hypothecated for particular uses so the calculation is also confused by the tax/borrowing ration of a particular governments approach to public spending. Spending as a % of GDP or absolute spend per head is far more comparable and useful.
    – matt_black
    Sep 3 at 11:06












  • 2




    This looks like original research, unless the grounds for replacing expenditure/tax by expenditure/income are trivial (and I don't think they are).
    – Dmitry Grigoryev
    Sep 3 at 6:39






  • 4




    The trouble with focusing on a particular person and their income is that there are major differences in income distribution among countries. Also tax is not hypothecated for particular uses so the calculation is also confused by the tax/borrowing ration of a particular governments approach to public spending. Spending as a % of GDP or absolute spend per head is far more comparable and useful.
    – matt_black
    Sep 3 at 11:06







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2




This looks like original research, unless the grounds for replacing expenditure/tax by expenditure/income are trivial (and I don't think they are).
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Sep 3 at 6:39




This looks like original research, unless the grounds for replacing expenditure/tax by expenditure/income are trivial (and I don't think they are).
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Sep 3 at 6:39




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The trouble with focusing on a particular person and their income is that there are major differences in income distribution among countries. Also tax is not hypothecated for particular uses so the calculation is also confused by the tax/borrowing ration of a particular governments approach to public spending. Spending as a % of GDP or absolute spend per head is far more comparable and useful.
– matt_black
Sep 3 at 11:06




The trouble with focusing on a particular person and their income is that there are major differences in income distribution among countries. Also tax is not hypothecated for particular uses so the calculation is also confused by the tax/borrowing ration of a particular governments approach to public spending. Spending as a % of GDP or absolute spend per head is far more comparable and useful.
– matt_black
Sep 3 at 11:06


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