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There are 7 empty boxes numbered sequentially from 1 to 7. A sack of gold is placed into one of the boxes at random, and, independently at random, a snake is put into one of the seven boxes. Let $E_1$ be the event that the snake and the sack of gold are in different boxes, and let $E_2$ be the event that the sack of gold is not in boxes 1,2,3. What is the conditional probability that the snake is in one of the three boxes 3,4 or 5, given the event $E_1cap E_2$?
Warning: the symmetry principle should be applied with caution in this problem, it may be safer to completely avoid using this principle here
given
the GOLD is in either box 4, 5, 6, 7
and the SNAKE is NOT in the same box as the GOLD
what is the probability the SNAKE is is either box 3, 4, 5
so I'm thinking that (4 choose 1) for choosing which box the gold is in...
and then there is 6 more boxes to choose for the snake because it'snot in the box with the gold so (6 choose 1)
these two facts combined might make up the denominator?
and for the numerator, it would be (4 choose 1) for where gold goes, and then (3 choose 1) for where the snake goes (either 3, 4, 5)...
but this does not seem right because snake and gold could be in the same box using my technique for the numerator
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There are 7 empty boxes numbered sequentially from 1 to 7. A sack of gold is placed into one of the boxes at random, and, independently at random, a snake is put into one of the seven boxes. Let $E_1$ be the event that the snake and the sack of gold are in different boxes, and let $E_2$ be the event that the sack of gold is not in boxes 1,2,3. What is the conditional probability that the snake is in one of the three boxes 3,4 or 5, given the event $E_1cap E_2$?
Warning: the symmetry principle should be applied with caution in this problem, it may be safer to completely avoid using this principle here
given
the GOLD is in either box 4, 5, 6, 7
and the SNAKE is NOT in the same box as the GOLD
what is the probability the SNAKE is is either box 3, 4, 5
so I'm thinking that (4 choose 1) for choosing which box the gold is in...
and then there is 6 more boxes to choose for the snake because it'snot in the box with the gold so (6 choose 1)
these two facts combined might make up the denominator?
and for the numerator, it would be (4 choose 1) for where gold goes, and then (3 choose 1) for where the snake goes (either 3, 4, 5)...
but this does not seem right because snake and gold could be in the same box using my technique for the numerator
probability conditional-probability
There are two combinations using your method in which the snake and the gold are in the same box, if you take that off the numerator and see if that looks more sensible
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Aug 31 at 7:12
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There are 7 empty boxes numbered sequentially from 1 to 7. A sack of gold is placed into one of the boxes at random, and, independently at random, a snake is put into one of the seven boxes. Let $E_1$ be the event that the snake and the sack of gold are in different boxes, and let $E_2$ be the event that the sack of gold is not in boxes 1,2,3. What is the conditional probability that the snake is in one of the three boxes 3,4 or 5, given the event $E_1cap E_2$?
Warning: the symmetry principle should be applied with caution in this problem, it may be safer to completely avoid using this principle here
given
the GOLD is in either box 4, 5, 6, 7
and the SNAKE is NOT in the same box as the GOLD
what is the probability the SNAKE is is either box 3, 4, 5
so I'm thinking that (4 choose 1) for choosing which box the gold is in...
and then there is 6 more boxes to choose for the snake because it'snot in the box with the gold so (6 choose 1)
these two facts combined might make up the denominator?
and for the numerator, it would be (4 choose 1) for where gold goes, and then (3 choose 1) for where the snake goes (either 3, 4, 5)...
but this does not seem right because snake and gold could be in the same box using my technique for the numerator
probability conditional-probability
There are 7 empty boxes numbered sequentially from 1 to 7. A sack of gold is placed into one of the boxes at random, and, independently at random, a snake is put into one of the seven boxes. Let $E_1$ be the event that the snake and the sack of gold are in different boxes, and let $E_2$ be the event that the sack of gold is not in boxes 1,2,3. What is the conditional probability that the snake is in one of the three boxes 3,4 or 5, given the event $E_1cap E_2$?
Warning: the symmetry principle should be applied with caution in this problem, it may be safer to completely avoid using this principle here
given
the GOLD is in either box 4, 5, 6, 7
and the SNAKE is NOT in the same box as the GOLD
what is the probability the SNAKE is is either box 3, 4, 5
so I'm thinking that (4 choose 1) for choosing which box the gold is in...
and then there is 6 more boxes to choose for the snake because it'snot in the box with the gold so (6 choose 1)
these two facts combined might make up the denominator?
and for the numerator, it would be (4 choose 1) for where gold goes, and then (3 choose 1) for where the snake goes (either 3, 4, 5)...
but this does not seem right because snake and gold could be in the same box using my technique for the numerator
probability conditional-probability
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There are two combinations using your method in which the snake and the gold are in the same box, if you take that off the numerator and see if that looks more sensible
â MRobinson
Aug 31 at 7:12
Please avail yourself of this tutorial and reference on how to typeset math on this site. This being your eighth question, I think it would be appropriate that you learn how to typeset them properly.
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There are two combinations using your method in which the snake and the gold are in the same box, if you take that off the numerator and see if that looks more sensible
â MRobinson
Aug 31 at 7:12
Please avail yourself of this tutorial and reference on how to typeset math on this site. This being your eighth question, I think it would be appropriate that you learn how to typeset them properly.
â joriki
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There are two combinations using your method in which the snake and the gold are in the same box, if you take that off the numerator and see if that looks more sensible
â MRobinson
Aug 31 at 7:12
There are two combinations using your method in which the snake and the gold are in the same box, if you take that off the numerator and see if that looks more sensible
â MRobinson
Aug 31 at 7:12
Please avail yourself of this tutorial and reference on how to typeset math on this site. This being your eighth question, I think it would be appropriate that you learn how to typeset them properly.
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Aug 31 at 7:14
Please avail yourself of this tutorial and reference on how to typeset math on this site. This being your eighth question, I think it would be appropriate that you learn how to typeset them properly.
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You can get quite a long way by thinking about the symmetry of the problem. If $E_1cap E_2$ holds then no matter which box the gold is in, there are $6$ possibilities for the snake, which include $1,2,3$. So (given $E_1cap E_2$) the snake is in $1,2,3$ with probability $1/2$.
Since the condition $E_1cap E_2$ is unchanged by reordering boxes $1,2,3$, each of these boxes has the same conditional probability of having the snake. Similarly, each of $4,5,6,7$ has an equal conditional probability of having the snake. You can now work out the individual conditional probabilities of being in $3$, in $4$ and in $5$ and add them up.
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Draw a $7times7$ grid of squares. Devote its $7$ rows to the $7$ places where the gold can be, and the $7$ columns to the $7$ places where the snake can be. Paint the squares corresponding to $E_1cap E_2$ grey, and count them; they're all equiprobable a priori. Then put a $checkmark$ on all grey squares that have the snake in one of the boxes $3$âÂÂ$5$, and count the checkmarks as well. Now you are one step away from the result.
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You can get quite a long way by thinking about the symmetry of the problem. If $E_1cap E_2$ holds then no matter which box the gold is in, there are $6$ possibilities for the snake, which include $1,2,3$. So (given $E_1cap E_2$) the snake is in $1,2,3$ with probability $1/2$.
Since the condition $E_1cap E_2$ is unchanged by reordering boxes $1,2,3$, each of these boxes has the same conditional probability of having the snake. Similarly, each of $4,5,6,7$ has an equal conditional probability of having the snake. You can now work out the individual conditional probabilities of being in $3$, in $4$ and in $5$ and add them up.
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You can get quite a long way by thinking about the symmetry of the problem. If $E_1cap E_2$ holds then no matter which box the gold is in, there are $6$ possibilities for the snake, which include $1,2,3$. So (given $E_1cap E_2$) the snake is in $1,2,3$ with probability $1/2$.
Since the condition $E_1cap E_2$ is unchanged by reordering boxes $1,2,3$, each of these boxes has the same conditional probability of having the snake. Similarly, each of $4,5,6,7$ has an equal conditional probability of having the snake. You can now work out the individual conditional probabilities of being in $3$, in $4$ and in $5$ and add them up.
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You can get quite a long way by thinking about the symmetry of the problem. If $E_1cap E_2$ holds then no matter which box the gold is in, there are $6$ possibilities for the snake, which include $1,2,3$. So (given $E_1cap E_2$) the snake is in $1,2,3$ with probability $1/2$.
Since the condition $E_1cap E_2$ is unchanged by reordering boxes $1,2,3$, each of these boxes has the same conditional probability of having the snake. Similarly, each of $4,5,6,7$ has an equal conditional probability of having the snake. You can now work out the individual conditional probabilities of being in $3$, in $4$ and in $5$ and add them up.
You can get quite a long way by thinking about the symmetry of the problem. If $E_1cap E_2$ holds then no matter which box the gold is in, there are $6$ possibilities for the snake, which include $1,2,3$. So (given $E_1cap E_2$) the snake is in $1,2,3$ with probability $1/2$.
Since the condition $E_1cap E_2$ is unchanged by reordering boxes $1,2,3$, each of these boxes has the same conditional probability of having the snake. Similarly, each of $4,5,6,7$ has an equal conditional probability of having the snake. You can now work out the individual conditional probabilities of being in $3$, in $4$ and in $5$ and add them up.
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Draw a $7times7$ grid of squares. Devote its $7$ rows to the $7$ places where the gold can be, and the $7$ columns to the $7$ places where the snake can be. Paint the squares corresponding to $E_1cap E_2$ grey, and count them; they're all equiprobable a priori. Then put a $checkmark$ on all grey squares that have the snake in one of the boxes $3$âÂÂ$5$, and count the checkmarks as well. Now you are one step away from the result.
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Draw a $7times7$ grid of squares. Devote its $7$ rows to the $7$ places where the gold can be, and the $7$ columns to the $7$ places where the snake can be. Paint the squares corresponding to $E_1cap E_2$ grey, and count them; they're all equiprobable a priori. Then put a $checkmark$ on all grey squares that have the snake in one of the boxes $3$âÂÂ$5$, and count the checkmarks as well. Now you are one step away from the result.
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Draw a $7times7$ grid of squares. Devote its $7$ rows to the $7$ places where the gold can be, and the $7$ columns to the $7$ places where the snake can be. Paint the squares corresponding to $E_1cap E_2$ grey, and count them; they're all equiprobable a priori. Then put a $checkmark$ on all grey squares that have the snake in one of the boxes $3$âÂÂ$5$, and count the checkmarks as well. Now you are one step away from the result.
Draw a $7times7$ grid of squares. Devote its $7$ rows to the $7$ places where the gold can be, and the $7$ columns to the $7$ places where the snake can be. Paint the squares corresponding to $E_1cap E_2$ grey, and count them; they're all equiprobable a priori. Then put a $checkmark$ on all grey squares that have the snake in one of the boxes $3$âÂÂ$5$, and count the checkmarks as well. Now you are one step away from the result.
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There are two combinations using your method in which the snake and the gold are in the same box, if you take that off the numerator and see if that looks more sensible
â MRobinson
Aug 31 at 7:12
Please avail yourself of this tutorial and reference on how to typeset math on this site. This being your eighth question, I think it would be appropriate that you learn how to typeset them properly.
â joriki
Aug 31 at 7:14