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I need to measure the height liquid would come up to in a jug I have. I need to determin how far up the jug the liquid would go (similar to markings on a measuring jug).



Using the volume and lower radius and slant angles to Im looking for a formula I could use. (After translating ml in mmcubed to make it possible)



As an example, if i know the dimensions of the vessel, I would want to know how far up 200ml of liquid would go.



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    I need to measure the height liquid would come up to in a jug I have. I need to determin how far up the jug the liquid would go (similar to markings on a measuring jug).



    Using the volume and lower radius and slant angles to Im looking for a formula I could use. (After translating ml in mmcubed to make it possible)



    As an example, if i know the dimensions of the vessel, I would want to know how far up 200ml of liquid would go.



    Thanks in advance people!










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      I need to measure the height liquid would come up to in a jug I have. I need to determin how far up the jug the liquid would go (similar to markings on a measuring jug).



      Using the volume and lower radius and slant angles to Im looking for a formula I could use. (After translating ml in mmcubed to make it possible)



      As an example, if i know the dimensions of the vessel, I would want to know how far up 200ml of liquid would go.



      Thanks in advance people!










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      Using the volume and lower radius and slant angles to Im looking for a formula I could use. (After translating ml in mmcubed to make it possible)



      As an example, if i know the dimensions of the vessel, I would want to know how far up 200ml of liquid would go.



      Thanks in advance people!







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          Ok, so call $r$ the radius of the basis, $theta$ the angle between the vertical axis of the cone and the surface.
          $$colorredh=fracrtan theta-sqrt[3]fracr^3tan^3 theta-frac3Vpi tan^2 theta.$$
          Of course you have to plug in the measures with the right units, for example: $r$ in $mm$ and $V$ in $mm^3$.



          EXAMPLE: you have that $r=45mm$, the graph below for computing $tan theta$ remains valid, so $tan theta= frac6.5110$. Let's say you want $V=200ml=200000mm^3$, the formula gives



          $$h=frac45cdot 1106.5-sqrt[3]frac45^3cdot 6.5^3110^3-frac3cdot 200000cdot 110^2picdot 6.5^2=sim 32.8 mm$$




          EDIT: Since $tan theta$ can be difficulte to find, this is an easier way you can calculate it: here is a section of the truncated cone, you have to measure the lenghts $a$ and $b$. Then
          $$tan theta =fracab$$
          enter image description here



          Once you have found $tan theta$, it should be easy to compute $tan^3 theta$ with a calculator. The quantity $r$ can be measured directly and $V$ is known.






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          • Nice one. Thanks, I'll give it a go
            – Will
            Dec 24 '15 at 10:15










          • Ive tried to work this formula out and cant seem to make sense of the second half of the formula to calculate height from volume, and also the part 'h=x-r/tan...'. I dont seem to be able to calculate tan squared and tan cubed on my calculator which may be a problem. Im getting a figure buts its quite a bit out.
            – Will
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:09










          • Please help me firgure this out if you dont mind. Many thanks
            – Will
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:12










          • @will See if the edit can help you. Also the only formula you need is the last one, merked in red, which gives you the height given the volume of liquid.
            – mrprottolo
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:33










          • Hi, thanks for the help but im still not there. Would it matter if the truncated cone I am working with is the other way up, with the wide part at the bottom rather than the top? Because the height equation I am using still doesnt give me the correct results. I am using a base radius of 45mm and a vertical height of 110m with an upper radius of 38.5mm (if you can envisage the shape with that in mind). Should I be using Cos instead? Etc.
            – Will
            Jan 2 '16 at 6:11

















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          Assume the container has shape of a truncated cone .. $r$ is minimum radius at bottom, $R$ at top, the cone has a flare up with $alpha$, $h$ is height reached. Using well known relation of truncated cone volume we work up the algebra, defining $H,a^3$ as



          $$ V = fracpi h3 ( R^2 + r^2 + R r ), quad tan alpha = fracR-rh
          ,quad H = h tan alpha,, , a^3= fracV tan alphapi tag1 $$



          When $R$ is eliminated to make a cubic in $H$,



          $$ H^3/3 + H^2 r + H r^2 - a^3 = 0 tag2 $$



          whose only real root is found by Mathematica as



          $$ H = (3 a^3 +r^3)^frac13 - r $$






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            Ok, so call $r$ the radius of the basis, $theta$ the angle between the vertical axis of the cone and the surface.
            $$colorredh=fracrtan theta-sqrt[3]fracr^3tan^3 theta-frac3Vpi tan^2 theta.$$
            Of course you have to plug in the measures with the right units, for example: $r$ in $mm$ and $V$ in $mm^3$.



            EXAMPLE: you have that $r=45mm$, the graph below for computing $tan theta$ remains valid, so $tan theta= frac6.5110$. Let's say you want $V=200ml=200000mm^3$, the formula gives



            $$h=frac45cdot 1106.5-sqrt[3]frac45^3cdot 6.5^3110^3-frac3cdot 200000cdot 110^2picdot 6.5^2=sim 32.8 mm$$




            EDIT: Since $tan theta$ can be difficulte to find, this is an easier way you can calculate it: here is a section of the truncated cone, you have to measure the lenghts $a$ and $b$. Then
            $$tan theta =fracab$$
            enter image description here



            Once you have found $tan theta$, it should be easy to compute $tan^3 theta$ with a calculator. The quantity $r$ can be measured directly and $V$ is known.






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            • Nice one. Thanks, I'll give it a go
              – Will
              Dec 24 '15 at 10:15










            • Ive tried to work this formula out and cant seem to make sense of the second half of the formula to calculate height from volume, and also the part 'h=x-r/tan...'. I dont seem to be able to calculate tan squared and tan cubed on my calculator which may be a problem. Im getting a figure buts its quite a bit out.
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:09










            • Please help me firgure this out if you dont mind. Many thanks
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:12










            • @will See if the edit can help you. Also the only formula you need is the last one, merked in red, which gives you the height given the volume of liquid.
              – mrprottolo
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:33










            • Hi, thanks for the help but im still not there. Would it matter if the truncated cone I am working with is the other way up, with the wide part at the bottom rather than the top? Because the height equation I am using still doesnt give me the correct results. I am using a base radius of 45mm and a vertical height of 110m with an upper radius of 38.5mm (if you can envisage the shape with that in mind). Should I be using Cos instead? Etc.
              – Will
              Jan 2 '16 at 6:11














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            Ok, so call $r$ the radius of the basis, $theta$ the angle between the vertical axis of the cone and the surface.
            $$colorredh=fracrtan theta-sqrt[3]fracr^3tan^3 theta-frac3Vpi tan^2 theta.$$
            Of course you have to plug in the measures with the right units, for example: $r$ in $mm$ and $V$ in $mm^3$.



            EXAMPLE: you have that $r=45mm$, the graph below for computing $tan theta$ remains valid, so $tan theta= frac6.5110$. Let's say you want $V=200ml=200000mm^3$, the formula gives



            $$h=frac45cdot 1106.5-sqrt[3]frac45^3cdot 6.5^3110^3-frac3cdot 200000cdot 110^2picdot 6.5^2=sim 32.8 mm$$




            EDIT: Since $tan theta$ can be difficulte to find, this is an easier way you can calculate it: here is a section of the truncated cone, you have to measure the lenghts $a$ and $b$. Then
            $$tan theta =fracab$$
            enter image description here



            Once you have found $tan theta$, it should be easy to compute $tan^3 theta$ with a calculator. The quantity $r$ can be measured directly and $V$ is known.






            share|cite|improve this answer






















            • Nice one. Thanks, I'll give it a go
              – Will
              Dec 24 '15 at 10:15










            • Ive tried to work this formula out and cant seem to make sense of the second half of the formula to calculate height from volume, and also the part 'h=x-r/tan...'. I dont seem to be able to calculate tan squared and tan cubed on my calculator which may be a problem. Im getting a figure buts its quite a bit out.
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:09










            • Please help me firgure this out if you dont mind. Many thanks
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:12










            • @will See if the edit can help you. Also the only formula you need is the last one, merked in red, which gives you the height given the volume of liquid.
              – mrprottolo
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:33










            • Hi, thanks for the help but im still not there. Would it matter if the truncated cone I am working with is the other way up, with the wide part at the bottom rather than the top? Because the height equation I am using still doesnt give me the correct results. I am using a base radius of 45mm and a vertical height of 110m with an upper radius of 38.5mm (if you can envisage the shape with that in mind). Should I be using Cos instead? Etc.
              – Will
              Jan 2 '16 at 6:11












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            Ok, so call $r$ the radius of the basis, $theta$ the angle between the vertical axis of the cone and the surface.
            $$colorredh=fracrtan theta-sqrt[3]fracr^3tan^3 theta-frac3Vpi tan^2 theta.$$
            Of course you have to plug in the measures with the right units, for example: $r$ in $mm$ and $V$ in $mm^3$.



            EXAMPLE: you have that $r=45mm$, the graph below for computing $tan theta$ remains valid, so $tan theta= frac6.5110$. Let's say you want $V=200ml=200000mm^3$, the formula gives



            $$h=frac45cdot 1106.5-sqrt[3]frac45^3cdot 6.5^3110^3-frac3cdot 200000cdot 110^2picdot 6.5^2=sim 32.8 mm$$




            EDIT: Since $tan theta$ can be difficulte to find, this is an easier way you can calculate it: here is a section of the truncated cone, you have to measure the lenghts $a$ and $b$. Then
            $$tan theta =fracab$$
            enter image description here



            Once you have found $tan theta$, it should be easy to compute $tan^3 theta$ with a calculator. The quantity $r$ can be measured directly and $V$ is known.






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            Ok, so call $r$ the radius of the basis, $theta$ the angle between the vertical axis of the cone and the surface.
            $$colorredh=fracrtan theta-sqrt[3]fracr^3tan^3 theta-frac3Vpi tan^2 theta.$$
            Of course you have to plug in the measures with the right units, for example: $r$ in $mm$ and $V$ in $mm^3$.



            EXAMPLE: you have that $r=45mm$, the graph below for computing $tan theta$ remains valid, so $tan theta= frac6.5110$. Let's say you want $V=200ml=200000mm^3$, the formula gives



            $$h=frac45cdot 1106.5-sqrt[3]frac45^3cdot 6.5^3110^3-frac3cdot 200000cdot 110^2picdot 6.5^2=sim 32.8 mm$$




            EDIT: Since $tan theta$ can be difficulte to find, this is an easier way you can calculate it: here is a section of the truncated cone, you have to measure the lenghts $a$ and $b$. Then
            $$tan theta =fracab$$
            enter image description here



            Once you have found $tan theta$, it should be easy to compute $tan^3 theta$ with a calculator. The quantity $r$ can be measured directly and $V$ is known.







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            • Nice one. Thanks, I'll give it a go
              – Will
              Dec 24 '15 at 10:15










            • Ive tried to work this formula out and cant seem to make sense of the second half of the formula to calculate height from volume, and also the part 'h=x-r/tan...'. I dont seem to be able to calculate tan squared and tan cubed on my calculator which may be a problem. Im getting a figure buts its quite a bit out.
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:09










            • Please help me firgure this out if you dont mind. Many thanks
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:12










            • @will See if the edit can help you. Also the only formula you need is the last one, merked in red, which gives you the height given the volume of liquid.
              – mrprottolo
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:33










            • Hi, thanks for the help but im still not there. Would it matter if the truncated cone I am working with is the other way up, with the wide part at the bottom rather than the top? Because the height equation I am using still doesnt give me the correct results. I am using a base radius of 45mm and a vertical height of 110m with an upper radius of 38.5mm (if you can envisage the shape with that in mind). Should I be using Cos instead? Etc.
              – Will
              Jan 2 '16 at 6:11
















            • Nice one. Thanks, I'll give it a go
              – Will
              Dec 24 '15 at 10:15










            • Ive tried to work this formula out and cant seem to make sense of the second half of the formula to calculate height from volume, and also the part 'h=x-r/tan...'. I dont seem to be able to calculate tan squared and tan cubed on my calculator which may be a problem. Im getting a figure buts its quite a bit out.
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:09










            • Please help me firgure this out if you dont mind. Many thanks
              – Will
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:12










            • @will See if the edit can help you. Also the only formula you need is the last one, merked in red, which gives you the height given the volume of liquid.
              – mrprottolo
              Dec 29 '15 at 23:33










            • Hi, thanks for the help but im still not there. Would it matter if the truncated cone I am working with is the other way up, with the wide part at the bottom rather than the top? Because the height equation I am using still doesnt give me the correct results. I am using a base radius of 45mm and a vertical height of 110m with an upper radius of 38.5mm (if you can envisage the shape with that in mind). Should I be using Cos instead? Etc.
              – Will
              Jan 2 '16 at 6:11















            Nice one. Thanks, I'll give it a go
            – Will
            Dec 24 '15 at 10:15




            Nice one. Thanks, I'll give it a go
            – Will
            Dec 24 '15 at 10:15












            Ive tried to work this formula out and cant seem to make sense of the second half of the formula to calculate height from volume, and also the part 'h=x-r/tan...'. I dont seem to be able to calculate tan squared and tan cubed on my calculator which may be a problem. Im getting a figure buts its quite a bit out.
            – Will
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:09




            Ive tried to work this formula out and cant seem to make sense of the second half of the formula to calculate height from volume, and also the part 'h=x-r/tan...'. I dont seem to be able to calculate tan squared and tan cubed on my calculator which may be a problem. Im getting a figure buts its quite a bit out.
            – Will
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:09












            Please help me firgure this out if you dont mind. Many thanks
            – Will
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:12




            Please help me firgure this out if you dont mind. Many thanks
            – Will
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:12












            @will See if the edit can help you. Also the only formula you need is the last one, merked in red, which gives you the height given the volume of liquid.
            – mrprottolo
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:33




            @will See if the edit can help you. Also the only formula you need is the last one, merked in red, which gives you the height given the volume of liquid.
            – mrprottolo
            Dec 29 '15 at 23:33












            Hi, thanks for the help but im still not there. Would it matter if the truncated cone I am working with is the other way up, with the wide part at the bottom rather than the top? Because the height equation I am using still doesnt give me the correct results. I am using a base radius of 45mm and a vertical height of 110m with an upper radius of 38.5mm (if you can envisage the shape with that in mind). Should I be using Cos instead? Etc.
            – Will
            Jan 2 '16 at 6:11




            Hi, thanks for the help but im still not there. Would it matter if the truncated cone I am working with is the other way up, with the wide part at the bottom rather than the top? Because the height equation I am using still doesnt give me the correct results. I am using a base radius of 45mm and a vertical height of 110m with an upper radius of 38.5mm (if you can envisage the shape with that in mind). Should I be using Cos instead? Etc.
            – Will
            Jan 2 '16 at 6:11










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            Assume the container has shape of a truncated cone .. $r$ is minimum radius at bottom, $R$ at top, the cone has a flare up with $alpha$, $h$ is height reached. Using well known relation of truncated cone volume we work up the algebra, defining $H,a^3$ as



            $$ V = fracpi h3 ( R^2 + r^2 + R r ), quad tan alpha = fracR-rh
            ,quad H = h tan alpha,, , a^3= fracV tan alphapi tag1 $$



            When $R$ is eliminated to make a cubic in $H$,



            $$ H^3/3 + H^2 r + H r^2 - a^3 = 0 tag2 $$



            whose only real root is found by Mathematica as



            $$ H = (3 a^3 +r^3)^frac13 - r $$






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              Assume the container has shape of a truncated cone .. $r$ is minimum radius at bottom, $R$ at top, the cone has a flare up with $alpha$, $h$ is height reached. Using well known relation of truncated cone volume we work up the algebra, defining $H,a^3$ as



              $$ V = fracpi h3 ( R^2 + r^2 + R r ), quad tan alpha = fracR-rh
              ,quad H = h tan alpha,, , a^3= fracV tan alphapi tag1 $$



              When $R$ is eliminated to make a cubic in $H$,



              $$ H^3/3 + H^2 r + H r^2 - a^3 = 0 tag2 $$



              whose only real root is found by Mathematica as



              $$ H = (3 a^3 +r^3)^frac13 - r $$






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                Assume the container has shape of a truncated cone .. $r$ is minimum radius at bottom, $R$ at top, the cone has a flare up with $alpha$, $h$ is height reached. Using well known relation of truncated cone volume we work up the algebra, defining $H,a^3$ as



                $$ V = fracpi h3 ( R^2 + r^2 + R r ), quad tan alpha = fracR-rh
                ,quad H = h tan alpha,, , a^3= fracV tan alphapi tag1 $$



                When $R$ is eliminated to make a cubic in $H$,



                $$ H^3/3 + H^2 r + H r^2 - a^3 = 0 tag2 $$



                whose only real root is found by Mathematica as



                $$ H = (3 a^3 +r^3)^frac13 - r $$






                share|cite|improve this answer














                Assume the container has shape of a truncated cone .. $r$ is minimum radius at bottom, $R$ at top, the cone has a flare up with $alpha$, $h$ is height reached. Using well known relation of truncated cone volume we work up the algebra, defining $H,a^3$ as



                $$ V = fracpi h3 ( R^2 + r^2 + R r ), quad tan alpha = fracR-rh
                ,quad H = h tan alpha,, , a^3= fracV tan alphapi tag1 $$



                When $R$ is eliminated to make a cubic in $H$,



                $$ H^3/3 + H^2 r + H r^2 - a^3 = 0 tag2 $$



                whose only real root is found by Mathematica as



                $$ H = (3 a^3 +r^3)^frac13 - r $$







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