Qualitative inspection of solutions to $x^4-2x+1=0$

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Consider the following polynomial



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x^4-2x+1=0
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Is it possible to check if there is or there is not a solution in $xinleft]0,1right[$ without explicitly evaluating the expression? What other tests are there to qualitatively classify the solutions for this polynomial?










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Consider the following polynomial



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x^4-2x+1=0
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Is it possible to check if there is or there is not a solution in $xinleft]0,1right[$ without explicitly evaluating the expression? What other tests are there to qualitatively classify the solutions for this polynomial?










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Consider the following polynomial



$$
x^4-2x+1=0
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Is it possible to check if there is or there is not a solution in $xinleft]0,1right[$ without explicitly evaluating the expression? What other tests are there to qualitatively classify the solutions for this polynomial?










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Consider the following polynomial



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x^4-2x+1=0
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Is it possible to check if there is or there is not a solution in $xinleft]0,1right[$ without explicitly evaluating the expression? What other tests are there to qualitatively classify the solutions for this polynomial?







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    $1$ works. Really..........
    – Will Jagy
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    $1$ works. Really..........
    – Will Jagy
    Aug 31 at 2:19










  • @WillJagy OP asked in $(0,1)$
    – gt6989b
    Aug 31 at 2:20







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$1$ works. Really..........
– Will Jagy
Aug 31 at 2:19




$1$ works. Really..........
– Will Jagy
Aug 31 at 2:19












@WillJagy OP asked in $(0,1)$
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Note that
$$
f'(x) = 4x^3-2 quad textand quad f''(x) = 12x^2 > 0
$$
which means the function is always concave up.



Since $f(0)=1$ and $f(1)=0$, and the function is concave up, it has a root in $(0,1)$ only if there is a relative minimum in the interval, which happens iff $f'(x)=0$ for some $x$ in $(0,1)$. However,
$$
f'(x) = 0 iff x^3 = 1/2 iff x = 2^-1/3 in (0,1),
$$
so $f$ must have a root in $(0,1)$.




The actual graph is below:



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Since $x=1$ works,
$$
x^4 - 2x + 1 = (x-1)p(x)quad [p in mathbb R[x]_3].
$$
Now
$$
x^4 - 2x +1 = x^2(x^2 -1) + (x-1)^2 = (x-1)(x-1+x^2(x+1)) = (x-1)(x^3 + x^2 + x - 1).
$$
Then $p(x) = x^3 + x^2 + x-1$. Since
$$
p(1)= 2 >0, p(0) = -1 < 0,
$$
by intermediate value theorem, $p$ has a root in $(0,1)$, hence so does $x^4 - 2x + 1$.






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    $f(x) = x^4-2x+1$.



    There are two sign changes, so there are $0$ or $2$ positive roots.



    $f(-x)$ has no sign changes. So there are no negative roots.



    Since $f(1)=0$, there are two positive roots.



    Also $f(0)=1$.



    Since $f'(x) = 4x^3 - 2$ is positive for all $x ge 1$ (because $f''(x) = 12x^2 ge 0$ implies that $f'$ is increasing and $f'(1)=2 > 0$), then $f(x)$ is positive for all $x > 1$.



    So the second root must be somewhere between $x=0$ and $x=1$.






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      Note that
      $$
      f'(x) = 4x^3-2 quad textand quad f''(x) = 12x^2 > 0
      $$
      which means the function is always concave up.



      Since $f(0)=1$ and $f(1)=0$, and the function is concave up, it has a root in $(0,1)$ only if there is a relative minimum in the interval, which happens iff $f'(x)=0$ for some $x$ in $(0,1)$. However,
      $$
      f'(x) = 0 iff x^3 = 1/2 iff x = 2^-1/3 in (0,1),
      $$
      so $f$ must have a root in $(0,1)$.




      The actual graph is below:



      enter image description here






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      Note that
      $$
      f'(x) = 4x^3-2 quad textand quad f''(x) = 12x^2 > 0
      $$
      which means the function is always concave up.



      Since $f(0)=1$ and $f(1)=0$, and the function is concave up, it has a root in $(0,1)$ only if there is a relative minimum in the interval, which happens iff $f'(x)=0$ for some $x$ in $(0,1)$. However,
      $$
      f'(x) = 0 iff x^3 = 1/2 iff x = 2^-1/3 in (0,1),
      $$
      so $f$ must have a root in $(0,1)$.




      The actual graph is below:



      enter image description here






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      • Great! Thank you!
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      Note that
      $$
      f'(x) = 4x^3-2 quad textand quad f''(x) = 12x^2 > 0
      $$
      which means the function is always concave up.



      Since $f(0)=1$ and $f(1)=0$, and the function is concave up, it has a root in $(0,1)$ only if there is a relative minimum in the interval, which happens iff $f'(x)=0$ for some $x$ in $(0,1)$. However,
      $$
      f'(x) = 0 iff x^3 = 1/2 iff x = 2^-1/3 in (0,1),
      $$
      so $f$ must have a root in $(0,1)$.




      The actual graph is below:



      enter image description here






      share|cite|improve this answer












      Note that
      $$
      f'(x) = 4x^3-2 quad textand quad f''(x) = 12x^2 > 0
      $$
      which means the function is always concave up.



      Since $f(0)=1$ and $f(1)=0$, and the function is concave up, it has a root in $(0,1)$ only if there is a relative minimum in the interval, which happens iff $f'(x)=0$ for some $x$ in $(0,1)$. However,
      $$
      f'(x) = 0 iff x^3 = 1/2 iff x = 2^-1/3 in (0,1),
      $$
      so $f$ must have a root in $(0,1)$.




      The actual graph is below:



      enter image description here







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      Since $x=1$ works,
      $$
      x^4 - 2x + 1 = (x-1)p(x)quad [p in mathbb R[x]_3].
      $$
      Now
      $$
      x^4 - 2x +1 = x^2(x^2 -1) + (x-1)^2 = (x-1)(x-1+x^2(x+1)) = (x-1)(x^3 + x^2 + x - 1).
      $$
      Then $p(x) = x^3 + x^2 + x-1$. Since
      $$
      p(1)= 2 >0, p(0) = -1 < 0,
      $$
      by intermediate value theorem, $p$ has a root in $(0,1)$, hence so does $x^4 - 2x + 1$.






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        Since $x=1$ works,
        $$
        x^4 - 2x + 1 = (x-1)p(x)quad [p in mathbb R[x]_3].
        $$
        Now
        $$
        x^4 - 2x +1 = x^2(x^2 -1) + (x-1)^2 = (x-1)(x-1+x^2(x+1)) = (x-1)(x^3 + x^2 + x - 1).
        $$
        Then $p(x) = x^3 + x^2 + x-1$. Since
        $$
        p(1)= 2 >0, p(0) = -1 < 0,
        $$
        by intermediate value theorem, $p$ has a root in $(0,1)$, hence so does $x^4 - 2x + 1$.






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          Since $x=1$ works,
          $$
          x^4 - 2x + 1 = (x-1)p(x)quad [p in mathbb R[x]_3].
          $$
          Now
          $$
          x^4 - 2x +1 = x^2(x^2 -1) + (x-1)^2 = (x-1)(x-1+x^2(x+1)) = (x-1)(x^3 + x^2 + x - 1).
          $$
          Then $p(x) = x^3 + x^2 + x-1$. Since
          $$
          p(1)= 2 >0, p(0) = -1 < 0,
          $$
          by intermediate value theorem, $p$ has a root in $(0,1)$, hence so does $x^4 - 2x + 1$.






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          Since $x=1$ works,
          $$
          x^4 - 2x + 1 = (x-1)p(x)quad [p in mathbb R[x]_3].
          $$
          Now
          $$
          x^4 - 2x +1 = x^2(x^2 -1) + (x-1)^2 = (x-1)(x-1+x^2(x+1)) = (x-1)(x^3 + x^2 + x - 1).
          $$
          Then $p(x) = x^3 + x^2 + x-1$. Since
          $$
          p(1)= 2 >0, p(0) = -1 < 0,
          $$
          by intermediate value theorem, $p$ has a root in $(0,1)$, hence so does $x^4 - 2x + 1$.







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              $f(x) = x^4-2x+1$.



              There are two sign changes, so there are $0$ or $2$ positive roots.



              $f(-x)$ has no sign changes. So there are no negative roots.



              Since $f(1)=0$, there are two positive roots.



              Also $f(0)=1$.



              Since $f'(x) = 4x^3 - 2$ is positive for all $x ge 1$ (because $f''(x) = 12x^2 ge 0$ implies that $f'$ is increasing and $f'(1)=2 > 0$), then $f(x)$ is positive for all $x > 1$.



              So the second root must be somewhere between $x=0$ and $x=1$.






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                $f(x) = x^4-2x+1$.



                There are two sign changes, so there are $0$ or $2$ positive roots.



                $f(-x)$ has no sign changes. So there are no negative roots.



                Since $f(1)=0$, there are two positive roots.



                Also $f(0)=1$.



                Since $f'(x) = 4x^3 - 2$ is positive for all $x ge 1$ (because $f''(x) = 12x^2 ge 0$ implies that $f'$ is increasing and $f'(1)=2 > 0$), then $f(x)$ is positive for all $x > 1$.



                So the second root must be somewhere between $x=0$ and $x=1$.






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                  $f(x) = x^4-2x+1$.



                  There are two sign changes, so there are $0$ or $2$ positive roots.



                  $f(-x)$ has no sign changes. So there are no negative roots.



                  Since $f(1)=0$, there are two positive roots.



                  Also $f(0)=1$.



                  Since $f'(x) = 4x^3 - 2$ is positive for all $x ge 1$ (because $f''(x) = 12x^2 ge 0$ implies that $f'$ is increasing and $f'(1)=2 > 0$), then $f(x)$ is positive for all $x > 1$.



                  So the second root must be somewhere between $x=0$ and $x=1$.






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                  $f(x) = x^4-2x+1$.



                  There are two sign changes, so there are $0$ or $2$ positive roots.



                  $f(-x)$ has no sign changes. So there are no negative roots.



                  Since $f(1)=0$, there are two positive roots.



                  Also $f(0)=1$.



                  Since $f'(x) = 4x^3 - 2$ is positive for all $x ge 1$ (because $f''(x) = 12x^2 ge 0$ implies that $f'$ is increasing and $f'(1)=2 > 0$), then $f(x)$ is positive for all $x > 1$.



                  So the second root must be somewhere between $x=0$ and $x=1$.







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