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I have a hypothetical universe where the distance between two points in spacetime is defined as:$$ds^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$Where $phi$ has units of $kmspace s^-2$. The space in this universe grows quadratically with time (and, as I understand it, probably isnâÂÂt Minkowski spacetime). A particle travelling at the speed of causality, c, will follow this contour from point O to point P.

Given the time between point O and point Q, is it possible to find the distance from point P to point Q (e.g. does a function exist such that $f(Delta t) = d_L$)? If so, what is that formula?
EDIT: I understand that in Minkowski space $ds^2 = -c^2space dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2$, but in this metric, space grows quadratically. In Minkowski space, if you were $3 times 10^6space km$ away from an emitter and it sent out a photon, the photon would arrive in exactly one second (following a null geodesic). In this metric, as the photon travels to you, the space in between you and the emitter expands - like a moving sidewalk - so the photon will arrive in something more than a second. As this universe gets older and the space between the objects gets larger, the problem is exacerbated. In fact, if the universe gets old enough, travel between two distant objects becomes impossible, so I have a tough time seeing how the speed of light is related to a null geodesic in this universe.
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I have a hypothetical universe where the distance between two points in spacetime is defined as:$$ds^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$Where $phi$ has units of $kmspace s^-2$. The space in this universe grows quadratically with time (and, as I understand it, probably isnâÂÂt Minkowski spacetime). A particle travelling at the speed of causality, c, will follow this contour from point O to point P.

Given the time between point O and point Q, is it possible to find the distance from point P to point Q (e.g. does a function exist such that $f(Delta t) = d_L$)? If so, what is that formula?
EDIT: I understand that in Minkowski space $ds^2 = -c^2space dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2$, but in this metric, space grows quadratically. In Minkowski space, if you were $3 times 10^6space km$ away from an emitter and it sent out a photon, the photon would arrive in exactly one second (following a null geodesic). In this metric, as the photon travels to you, the space in between you and the emitter expands - like a moving sidewalk - so the photon will arrive in something more than a second. As this universe gets older and the space between the objects gets larger, the problem is exacerbated. In fact, if the universe gets old enough, travel between two distant objects becomes impossible, so I have a tough time seeing how the speed of light is related to a null geodesic in this universe.
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This space is isometric to (an open subset of) Minkowski spacetime, via the coordinate change $s = frac12 phi t^2$.
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I have a hypothetical universe where the distance between two points in spacetime is defined as:$$ds^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$Where $phi$ has units of $kmspace s^-2$. The space in this universe grows quadratically with time (and, as I understand it, probably isnâÂÂt Minkowski spacetime). A particle travelling at the speed of causality, c, will follow this contour from point O to point P.

Given the time between point O and point Q, is it possible to find the distance from point P to point Q (e.g. does a function exist such that $f(Delta t) = d_L$)? If so, what is that formula?
EDIT: I understand that in Minkowski space $ds^2 = -c^2space dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2$, but in this metric, space grows quadratically. In Minkowski space, if you were $3 times 10^6space km$ away from an emitter and it sent out a photon, the photon would arrive in exactly one second (following a null geodesic). In this metric, as the photon travels to you, the space in between you and the emitter expands - like a moving sidewalk - so the photon will arrive in something more than a second. As this universe gets older and the space between the objects gets larger, the problem is exacerbated. In fact, if the universe gets old enough, travel between two distant objects becomes impossible, so I have a tough time seeing how the speed of light is related to a null geodesic in this universe.
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I have a hypothetical universe where the distance between two points in spacetime is defined as:$$ds^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$Where $phi$ has units of $kmspace s^-2$. The space in this universe grows quadratically with time (and, as I understand it, probably isnâÂÂt Minkowski spacetime). A particle travelling at the speed of causality, c, will follow this contour from point O to point P.

Given the time between point O and point Q, is it possible to find the distance from point P to point Q (e.g. does a function exist such that $f(Delta t) = d_L$)? If so, what is that formula?
EDIT: I understand that in Minkowski space $ds^2 = -c^2space dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2$, but in this metric, space grows quadratically. In Minkowski space, if you were $3 times 10^6space km$ away from an emitter and it sent out a photon, the photon would arrive in exactly one second (following a null geodesic). In this metric, as the photon travels to you, the space in between you and the emitter expands - like a moving sidewalk - so the photon will arrive in something more than a second. As this universe gets older and the space between the objects gets larger, the problem is exacerbated. In fact, if the universe gets old enough, travel between two distant objects becomes impossible, so I have a tough time seeing how the speed of light is related to a null geodesic in this universe.
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This space is isometric to (an open subset of) Minkowski spacetime, via the coordinate change $s = frac12 phi t^2$.
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This space is isometric to (an open subset of) Minkowski spacetime, via the coordinate change $s = frac12 phi t^2$.
â Travis
Aug 31 at 11:44
Looks like a nice subwoofer!
â zhw.
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This space is isometric to (an open subset of) Minkowski spacetime, via the coordinate change $s = frac12 phi t^2$.
â Travis
Aug 31 at 11:44
This space is isometric to (an open subset of) Minkowski spacetime, via the coordinate change $s = frac12 phi t^2$.
â Travis
Aug 31 at 11:44
Looks like a nice subwoofer!
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I am not a physicist nor a mathematician that knows about Minkowski Spaces, but here is a stab anyway.
It seems that the speed of causality for your universe is $c(t)=phi t$. So the speed of the particle is $c(t)= dx/dt$. We simply get
$$dx/dt= phi t$$
$$x_P-x_O= phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$$
So the distance travelled is merely $phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$ where $t_O$ is the time at point O and $t_P$ is the time at point P.
I don't agree. The speed of causality in this universe is c, or roughly $3.0 times 10^5space kmspace s^-1$. Could you please explain why you think causality is related to the tangent of this space? Perhaps I'm missing something.
â Donald Airey
Aug 31 at 1:35
I think the speed of causality is dictated by the coefficient in front of $dt^2$ in the formula for $ds^2$. I am basing that thought on the argument at [en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity/â¦. As stated above, I am not very knowledgable in this area.
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Aug 31 at 2:14
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Here is my maiden attempt. Consider $$ds_OP^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
dividing by $dt^2$,
we get
$$fracds_OP^2dt^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + fracdx^2dt^2 + fracdy^2dt^2 + fracdz^2dt^2$$, Now notice that all the rate of change is just $c$, the speed of causality.
So we have,
$$c^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + c^2 + c^2 +c^2$$
$$=>phi^2 t^2 = 2c^2 $$
$$=>t = +fracsqrt2cphi or -fracsqrt2cphi$$
So the time taken to traverse a distance for a particle travelling at $c$ from any two points is based only on $phi$.
Now consider for points A and B,
$$-phi^2 int_t_A^t_Bint_t_A^t_Bt^2.dt.dt$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (int_t_A^t_Bt_B^3.dt - int_t_A^t_Bt_A^3.dt)$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (t_B^3(t_B - t_A) - t_A^3(t_B - t_A))$$
Simplifying,
$$=>-fracphi^23 ((t_B - t_A)(t_B^3 - t_A^3))->(1)$$
Now integrating both sides of eqn.
$$ds_OQ^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
with
$$int_t_O^t_Qint_t_O^t_Q$$, w.r.t $dt$ we get from (1)
$$ds_OQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_O)(t_Q^3 - t_O^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_1$$
Now, Choose $$t_O = 0$$ to be the start time of a particle starting from O towards Q, then $$ => Deltat = t_Q-t_O => Deltat = t_Q$$, now consider another particle reaching Q from P at exactly the same time $$t_Q = Deltat$$ with possibly different velocity but starting at time $$t_P = 0$$, so
$$ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_P)(t_Q^3 - t_P^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>d_L^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+int_x_p^x_qint_x_p^x_qdx^2+int_y_p^y_qint_y_p^y_qdy^2+int_z_p^z_qint_z_p^z_qdz^2$$
$$=-fracphi^23(Deltat^4)+(x_p-x_q)^2+(y_p -y_q)^2 + (z_p - z_q)^2$$
Your first step assumes $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. Why do you make that assumption? What is Capital C? and what am I supposed to do with $dx^2 + dy^2 +dz^2$ in the final formula?
â Donald Airey
23 hours ago
$c$ is a constant ( speed of light is constant) as per Special relativity for all frames of reference. capital $C_2$ is a integration constant. gets cancelled in the last line. I have clarifies the last line as well
â Gopal Anantharaman
22 hours ago
I still don't understand why you assume $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. What aspect if this metric allows you to make that jump?
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I am not a physicist nor a mathematician that knows about Minkowski Spaces, but here is a stab anyway.
It seems that the speed of causality for your universe is $c(t)=phi t$. So the speed of the particle is $c(t)= dx/dt$. We simply get
$$dx/dt= phi t$$
$$x_P-x_O= phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$$
So the distance travelled is merely $phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$ where $t_O$ is the time at point O and $t_P$ is the time at point P.
I don't agree. The speed of causality in this universe is c, or roughly $3.0 times 10^5space kmspace s^-1$. Could you please explain why you think causality is related to the tangent of this space? Perhaps I'm missing something.
â Donald Airey
Aug 31 at 1:35
I think the speed of causality is dictated by the coefficient in front of $dt^2$ in the formula for $ds^2$. I am basing that thought on the argument at [en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity/â¦. As stated above, I am not very knowledgable in this area.
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I am not a physicist nor a mathematician that knows about Minkowski Spaces, but here is a stab anyway.
It seems that the speed of causality for your universe is $c(t)=phi t$. So the speed of the particle is $c(t)= dx/dt$. We simply get
$$dx/dt= phi t$$
$$x_P-x_O= phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$$
So the distance travelled is merely $phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$ where $t_O$ is the time at point O and $t_P$ is the time at point P.
I don't agree. The speed of causality in this universe is c, or roughly $3.0 times 10^5space kmspace s^-1$. Could you please explain why you think causality is related to the tangent of this space? Perhaps I'm missing something.
â Donald Airey
Aug 31 at 1:35
I think the speed of causality is dictated by the coefficient in front of $dt^2$ in the formula for $ds^2$. I am basing that thought on the argument at [en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity/â¦. As stated above, I am not very knowledgable in this area.
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I am not a physicist nor a mathematician that knows about Minkowski Spaces, but here is a stab anyway.
It seems that the speed of causality for your universe is $c(t)=phi t$. So the speed of the particle is $c(t)= dx/dt$. We simply get
$$dx/dt= phi t$$
$$x_P-x_O= phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$$
So the distance travelled is merely $phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$ where $t_O$ is the time at point O and $t_P$ is the time at point P.
I am not a physicist nor a mathematician that knows about Minkowski Spaces, but here is a stab anyway.
It seems that the speed of causality for your universe is $c(t)=phi t$. So the speed of the particle is $c(t)= dx/dt$. We simply get
$$dx/dt= phi t$$
$$x_P-x_O= phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$$
So the distance travelled is merely $phi (t_P^2-t_O^2)/2$ where $t_O$ is the time at point O and $t_P$ is the time at point P.
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I don't agree. The speed of causality in this universe is c, or roughly $3.0 times 10^5space kmspace s^-1$. Could you please explain why you think causality is related to the tangent of this space? Perhaps I'm missing something.
â Donald Airey
Aug 31 at 1:35
I think the speed of causality is dictated by the coefficient in front of $dt^2$ in the formula for $ds^2$. I am basing that thought on the argument at [en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity/â¦. As stated above, I am not very knowledgable in this area.
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Aug 31 at 2:14
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I don't agree. The speed of causality in this universe is c, or roughly $3.0 times 10^5space kmspace s^-1$. Could you please explain why you think causality is related to the tangent of this space? Perhaps I'm missing something.
â Donald Airey
Aug 31 at 1:35
I think the speed of causality is dictated by the coefficient in front of $dt^2$ in the formula for $ds^2$. I am basing that thought on the argument at [en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity/â¦. As stated above, I am not very knowledgable in this area.
â irchans
Aug 31 at 2:14
I don't agree. The speed of causality in this universe is c, or roughly $3.0 times 10^5space kmspace s^-1$. Could you please explain why you think causality is related to the tangent of this space? Perhaps I'm missing something.
â Donald Airey
Aug 31 at 1:35
I don't agree. The speed of causality in this universe is c, or roughly $3.0 times 10^5space kmspace s^-1$. Could you please explain why you think causality is related to the tangent of this space? Perhaps I'm missing something.
â Donald Airey
Aug 31 at 1:35
I think the speed of causality is dictated by the coefficient in front of $dt^2$ in the formula for $ds^2$. I am basing that thought on the argument at [en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity/â¦. As stated above, I am not very knowledgable in this area.
â irchans
Aug 31 at 2:14
I think the speed of causality is dictated by the coefficient in front of $dt^2$ in the formula for $ds^2$. I am basing that thought on the argument at [en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity/â¦. As stated above, I am not very knowledgable in this area.
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Here is my maiden attempt. Consider $$ds_OP^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
dividing by $dt^2$,
we get
$$fracds_OP^2dt^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + fracdx^2dt^2 + fracdy^2dt^2 + fracdz^2dt^2$$, Now notice that all the rate of change is just $c$, the speed of causality.
So we have,
$$c^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + c^2 + c^2 +c^2$$
$$=>phi^2 t^2 = 2c^2 $$
$$=>t = +fracsqrt2cphi or -fracsqrt2cphi$$
So the time taken to traverse a distance for a particle travelling at $c$ from any two points is based only on $phi$.
Now consider for points A and B,
$$-phi^2 int_t_A^t_Bint_t_A^t_Bt^2.dt.dt$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (int_t_A^t_Bt_B^3.dt - int_t_A^t_Bt_A^3.dt)$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (t_B^3(t_B - t_A) - t_A^3(t_B - t_A))$$
Simplifying,
$$=>-fracphi^23 ((t_B - t_A)(t_B^3 - t_A^3))->(1)$$
Now integrating both sides of eqn.
$$ds_OQ^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
with
$$int_t_O^t_Qint_t_O^t_Q$$, w.r.t $dt$ we get from (1)
$$ds_OQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_O)(t_Q^3 - t_O^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_1$$
Now, Choose $$t_O = 0$$ to be the start time of a particle starting from O towards Q, then $$ => Deltat = t_Q-t_O => Deltat = t_Q$$, now consider another particle reaching Q from P at exactly the same time $$t_Q = Deltat$$ with possibly different velocity but starting at time $$t_P = 0$$, so
$$ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_P)(t_Q^3 - t_P^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>d_L^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+int_x_p^x_qint_x_p^x_qdx^2+int_y_p^y_qint_y_p^y_qdy^2+int_z_p^z_qint_z_p^z_qdz^2$$
$$=-fracphi^23(Deltat^4)+(x_p-x_q)^2+(y_p -y_q)^2 + (z_p - z_q)^2$$
Your first step assumes $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. Why do you make that assumption? What is Capital C? and what am I supposed to do with $dx^2 + dy^2 +dz^2$ in the final formula?
â Donald Airey
23 hours ago
$c$ is a constant ( speed of light is constant) as per Special relativity for all frames of reference. capital $C_2$ is a integration constant. gets cancelled in the last line. I have clarifies the last line as well
â Gopal Anantharaman
22 hours ago
I still don't understand why you assume $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. What aspect if this metric allows you to make that jump?
â Donald Airey
26 mins ago
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Here is my maiden attempt. Consider $$ds_OP^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
dividing by $dt^2$,
we get
$$fracds_OP^2dt^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + fracdx^2dt^2 + fracdy^2dt^2 + fracdz^2dt^2$$, Now notice that all the rate of change is just $c$, the speed of causality.
So we have,
$$c^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + c^2 + c^2 +c^2$$
$$=>phi^2 t^2 = 2c^2 $$
$$=>t = +fracsqrt2cphi or -fracsqrt2cphi$$
So the time taken to traverse a distance for a particle travelling at $c$ from any two points is based only on $phi$.
Now consider for points A and B,
$$-phi^2 int_t_A^t_Bint_t_A^t_Bt^2.dt.dt$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (int_t_A^t_Bt_B^3.dt - int_t_A^t_Bt_A^3.dt)$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (t_B^3(t_B - t_A) - t_A^3(t_B - t_A))$$
Simplifying,
$$=>-fracphi^23 ((t_B - t_A)(t_B^3 - t_A^3))->(1)$$
Now integrating both sides of eqn.
$$ds_OQ^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
with
$$int_t_O^t_Qint_t_O^t_Q$$, w.r.t $dt$ we get from (1)
$$ds_OQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_O)(t_Q^3 - t_O^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_1$$
Now, Choose $$t_O = 0$$ to be the start time of a particle starting from O towards Q, then $$ => Deltat = t_Q-t_O => Deltat = t_Q$$, now consider another particle reaching Q from P at exactly the same time $$t_Q = Deltat$$ with possibly different velocity but starting at time $$t_P = 0$$, so
$$ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_P)(t_Q^3 - t_P^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>d_L^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+int_x_p^x_qint_x_p^x_qdx^2+int_y_p^y_qint_y_p^y_qdy^2+int_z_p^z_qint_z_p^z_qdz^2$$
$$=-fracphi^23(Deltat^4)+(x_p-x_q)^2+(y_p -y_q)^2 + (z_p - z_q)^2$$
Your first step assumes $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. Why do you make that assumption? What is Capital C? and what am I supposed to do with $dx^2 + dy^2 +dz^2$ in the final formula?
â Donald Airey
23 hours ago
$c$ is a constant ( speed of light is constant) as per Special relativity for all frames of reference. capital $C_2$ is a integration constant. gets cancelled in the last line. I have clarifies the last line as well
â Gopal Anantharaman
22 hours ago
I still don't understand why you assume $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. What aspect if this metric allows you to make that jump?
â Donald Airey
26 mins ago
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Here is my maiden attempt. Consider $$ds_OP^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
dividing by $dt^2$,
we get
$$fracds_OP^2dt^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + fracdx^2dt^2 + fracdy^2dt^2 + fracdz^2dt^2$$, Now notice that all the rate of change is just $c$, the speed of causality.
So we have,
$$c^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + c^2 + c^2 +c^2$$
$$=>phi^2 t^2 = 2c^2 $$
$$=>t = +fracsqrt2cphi or -fracsqrt2cphi$$
So the time taken to traverse a distance for a particle travelling at $c$ from any two points is based only on $phi$.
Now consider for points A and B,
$$-phi^2 int_t_A^t_Bint_t_A^t_Bt^2.dt.dt$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (int_t_A^t_Bt_B^3.dt - int_t_A^t_Bt_A^3.dt)$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (t_B^3(t_B - t_A) - t_A^3(t_B - t_A))$$
Simplifying,
$$=>-fracphi^23 ((t_B - t_A)(t_B^3 - t_A^3))->(1)$$
Now integrating both sides of eqn.
$$ds_OQ^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
with
$$int_t_O^t_Qint_t_O^t_Q$$, w.r.t $dt$ we get from (1)
$$ds_OQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_O)(t_Q^3 - t_O^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_1$$
Now, Choose $$t_O = 0$$ to be the start time of a particle starting from O towards Q, then $$ => Deltat = t_Q-t_O => Deltat = t_Q$$, now consider another particle reaching Q from P at exactly the same time $$t_Q = Deltat$$ with possibly different velocity but starting at time $$t_P = 0$$, so
$$ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_P)(t_Q^3 - t_P^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>d_L^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+int_x_p^x_qint_x_p^x_qdx^2+int_y_p^y_qint_y_p^y_qdy^2+int_z_p^z_qint_z_p^z_qdz^2$$
$$=-fracphi^23(Deltat^4)+(x_p-x_q)^2+(y_p -y_q)^2 + (z_p - z_q)^2$$
Here is my maiden attempt. Consider $$ds_OP^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
dividing by $dt^2$,
we get
$$fracds_OP^2dt^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + fracdx^2dt^2 + fracdy^2dt^2 + fracdz^2dt^2$$, Now notice that all the rate of change is just $c$, the speed of causality.
So we have,
$$c^2 = âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2) + c^2 + c^2 +c^2$$
$$=>phi^2 t^2 = 2c^2 $$
$$=>t = +fracsqrt2cphi or -fracsqrt2cphi$$
So the time taken to traverse a distance for a particle travelling at $c$ from any two points is based only on $phi$.
Now consider for points A and B,
$$-phi^2 int_t_A^t_Bint_t_A^t_Bt^2.dt.dt$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (int_t_A^t_Bt_B^3.dt - int_t_A^t_Bt_A^3.dt)$$
$$=>-fracphi^23 (t_B^3(t_B - t_A) - t_A^3(t_B - t_A))$$
Simplifying,
$$=>-fracphi^23 ((t_B - t_A)(t_B^3 - t_A^3))->(1)$$
Now integrating both sides of eqn.
$$ds_OQ^2 =âÂÂ(phi^2 t^2)dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2$$
with
$$int_t_O^t_Qint_t_O^t_Q$$, w.r.t $dt$ we get from (1)
$$ds_OQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_O)(t_Q^3 - t_O^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_1$$
Now, Choose $$t_O = 0$$ to be the start time of a particle starting from O towards Q, then $$ => Deltat = t_Q-t_O => Deltat = t_Q$$, now consider another particle reaching Q from P at exactly the same time $$t_Q = Deltat$$ with possibly different velocity but starting at time $$t_P = 0$$, so
$$ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q - t_P)(t_Q^3 - t_P^3))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((t_Q^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>ds_PQ^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2 + C_2$$
$$=>d_L^2 =-fracphi^23 ((Deltat^4))+int_x_p^x_qint_x_p^x_qdx^2+int_y_p^y_qint_y_p^y_qdy^2+int_z_p^z_qint_z_p^z_qdz^2$$
$$=-fracphi^23(Deltat^4)+(x_p-x_q)^2+(y_p -y_q)^2 + (z_p - z_q)^2$$
edited 22 hours ago
answered yesterday
Gopal Anantharaman
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Your first step assumes $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. Why do you make that assumption? What is Capital C? and what am I supposed to do with $dx^2 + dy^2 +dz^2$ in the final formula?
â Donald Airey
23 hours ago
$c$ is a constant ( speed of light is constant) as per Special relativity for all frames of reference. capital $C_2$ is a integration constant. gets cancelled in the last line. I have clarifies the last line as well
â Gopal Anantharaman
22 hours ago
I still don't understand why you assume $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. What aspect if this metric allows you to make that jump?
â Donald Airey
26 mins ago
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Your first step assumes $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. Why do you make that assumption? What is Capital C? and what am I supposed to do with $dx^2 + dy^2 +dz^2$ in the final formula?
â Donald Airey
23 hours ago
$c$ is a constant ( speed of light is constant) as per Special relativity for all frames of reference. capital $C_2$ is a integration constant. gets cancelled in the last line. I have clarifies the last line as well
â Gopal Anantharaman
22 hours ago
I still don't understand why you assume $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. What aspect if this metric allows you to make that jump?
â Donald Airey
26 mins ago
Your first step assumes $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. Why do you make that assumption? What is Capital C? and what am I supposed to do with $dx^2 + dy^2 +dz^2$ in the final formula?
â Donald Airey
23 hours ago
Your first step assumes $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. Why do you make that assumption? What is Capital C? and what am I supposed to do with $dx^2 + dy^2 +dz^2$ in the final formula?
â Donald Airey
23 hours ago
$c$ is a constant ( speed of light is constant) as per Special relativity for all frames of reference. capital $C_2$ is a integration constant. gets cancelled in the last line. I have clarifies the last line as well
â Gopal Anantharaman
22 hours ago
$c$ is a constant ( speed of light is constant) as per Special relativity for all frames of reference. capital $C_2$ is a integration constant. gets cancelled in the last line. I have clarifies the last line as well
â Gopal Anantharaman
22 hours ago
I still don't understand why you assume $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. What aspect if this metric allows you to make that jump?
â Donald Airey
26 mins ago
I still don't understand why you assume $frac dsdt$ is the speed of causality. What aspect if this metric allows you to make that jump?
â Donald Airey
26 mins ago
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